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Post by Nobbygas on May 17, 2024 10:26:31 GMT
"And Israel has to give back all their disgusting land grab in the West Bank." - The problem the Israelis have here is that they have given back a lot of land, including the Sinai desert. One major piece they gave back was large parts of Gaza. They forcibly removed all their citizens from Gaza and literally gave it back to the Palestinians. The result of that? The attacks continued. Now, Israel does not see why they should hand anything back as the Palestinians just see that as weakness and the attacks get worse. You can never appease a madman. The stated intention of the Palestinians, as laid down in their Charter, is the complete destruction of the Jewish State and people. Until that changes there can never be peace in the area. The cycle of death will continue. Eh... Israel invaded the Sinai desert during the 6 day war. They kind of had to give that back didn't they? Play fair now. I'm just trying to find middle ground here. Hopefully politicians will do the same once the Netanyahu Govt falls. I believe in peace. But to achieve that the first step is surely to eradicate Hamas. Why doesn't Egypt step in and offer a chunk of the Sinai desert to the Palestinians? It would take a lot of investment, who would pay for that? Solution: The oil rich Muslim nations step in to help out their 'brothers'. Nope - too busy pumping 10's of billions of dollars into sport washing football, golf, boxing & Formula 1. And of course oppressing their own population. Anyway - I've single-handedly offered a way of resolving conflict in the Middle East, so I'm off for a bike ride. When I'm back I'll try and sort out Ukraine. The Palestinians will not accept any 'middle ground' solution. As far as they are concerned they want the lot, and that is why this will never end. You are right. There is ample land between the Arab countries, however, as always, one flavour of Islam will do nothing to help the other flavour.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 17, 2024 9:29:04 GMT
The Tories are desperately trying to tell everyone what they will do, but they've had 14 years to do these things. People are well aware that it's just electioneering. The six Labour pledges are just the same as we have been hearing from Labour/Tory for the last 30 odd years. Nothing new, nothing radical, no fresh ideas, just the same old.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 17, 2024 8:59:45 GMT
One question Oldie. The Palestinians have been offered their own State in the past, and every time they have turned it down. Why was that? One thing about the Palestinians, they never miss the opportunity to miss an opportunity. A two state solution has been offered in the past, but their leaders decided to pursue a 'river to the sea policy instead'. ie. We don't want our own country, we want to kill every Jew in Israel and claim all that land for ourselves. Until Hamas have been eradicated, there is no hope for a two state solution - which has to be the way forward. And Israel has to give back all their disgusting land grab in the West Bank. But that's just me being balanced. You won't get that kind of rhetoric on the regular hate marches we see in London, glorifying and celebrating the atrocities of October 7th. "And Israel has to give back all their disgusting land grab in the West Bank." - The problem the Israelis have here is that they have given back a lot of land, including the Sinai desert. One major piece they gave back was large parts of Gaza. They forcibly removed all their citizens from Gaza and literally gave it back to the Palestinians. The result of that? The attacks continued. Now, Israel does not see why they should hand anything back as the Palestinians just see that as weakness and the attacks get worse. You can never appease a madman. The stated intention of the Palestinians, as laid down in their Charter, is the complete destruction of the Jewish State and people. Until that changes there can never be peace in the area. The cycle of death will continue.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 17, 2024 8:53:29 GMT
One question Oldie. The Palestinians have been offered their own State in the past, and every time they have turned it down. Why was that? That is true. But perhaps 1948 was to fresh in the memory in 1968 into the 70s. Imagine if the Nazis prevailed in the 1940s and took Kent and London then 25 years later said we could carry with a portion of our country as long as they could populate captured areas without resistance...imagine So, in your opinion, looking at your answer there will never be a solution to this problem?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 17, 2024 7:08:55 GMT
One question Oldie. The Palestinians have been offered their own State in the past, and every time they have turned it down. Why was that?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 16, 2024 11:41:16 GMT
Common sense seems to have prevailed in Holland. These are the things the government in the UK should be doing. These measures were announced today.
"On climate change, the coalition said it would stick to internationally agreed goals, but would not add any national restrictions on planet-warming emissions.
Offshore gas production in the North Sea would be increased, while the government would continue with plans to build four nuclear reactors in the coming decade.
Plans will be financed with 14 billion euros in spending cuts through 2028, including cuts of 2.5 billions euros to development aid, a billion euros on government salaries and 100 million euros on the public broadcaster's budget."
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Post by Nobbygas on May 16, 2024 10:34:58 GMT
Well, Denmark does produce these figures and they show that migrants are 40% more likely to be convicted of a crime than a Danish citizen. Migrants from Kuwait, Tunisia, Lebanon and Somalia are more likely to commit crimes than Danish citizens. Just saying. Source? There are many sources out there. Just search for Denmark migrant crime rate. "Violent Crime Convictions Having summarized the results of the official government financial analysis, I now append with my own analysis on the topic of immigration and crime. An official Danish report is available to be read, however it is written in Danish and is less comprehensive than my analysis in some aspects2. According to Danmarks Statistik, there were 5,921 violent crime convictions in 2021, of which 71% (4,193) were committed by people of Danish origin and 29% (1,728) by immigrants and their descendants. In 2021, immigrants and their descendants represented 14% (817,438) and people of Danish origin 86% (5,022,607) of the total population of 5,840,045. Thus immigrants and descendants are overrepresented in violent crime convictions, being 14% of the population and constituting 29% of the violent crime convictions. This translates into immigrants and descendants having 2.5 times higher conviction rates than natives. However, like financial contributions, convictions also exhibit great heterogeneity. Western immigrants and descendants were 5.0% of the population and accounted for just 3.8% of the nationโs violent crime convictions. Non-Western immigrants and descendants were 8.9% of the population and accounted for 25.4% of the nationโs violent crime convictions. Homicide is very uncommon in Denmark, but we see a similar pattern for homicide convictions. For rape convictions, the pattern is even stronger. The results for the period 2010-2021 can be seen in the figure below. For each group, it shows the population share and the share of total violent crime convictions, as well as shares of specific types of violent crime convictions, that can be attributed to each group." Danish statistics
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Post by Nobbygas on May 16, 2024 9:53:46 GMT
If this sub-human is prepared to kill someone for their handbag it just shows he has no respect for human life. Find him, convict him, hang him (or lethal injection, firing squad etc take your choice). People like this contribute nothing to society, the community or the human race. We should not waste a single penny keeping him in prison. The whole point of prison is to re-habilitate. People like this are just beyond the pale and it would just be money, time and resources wasted.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 16, 2024 9:47:23 GMT
Well, Denmark does produce these figures and they show that migrants are 40% more likely to be convicted of a crime than a Danish citizen. Migrants from Kuwait, Tunisia, Lebanon and Somalia are more likely to commit crimes than Danish citizens.
Just saying.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 15, 2024 10:25:01 GMT
Palestinian watch. Update from Germany. Cities / towns visited: Mannheim, Karlsruhe, Heidelberg, Baden-Baden. Palestinian protests: 0 (zero). Palestinan flags: 0 (zero). Conclusion. Hamas sympathisers would appear to be more prevalent in the UK. That's because you were in the posh places! Go to places like Frankfurt, Hamburg, Offenbach and you'll see a different picture. I have to go to the Frankfurt area every six weeks. The week I am there I always receive security updates from my company telling me where to avoid the Palestinian demonstrations. In Germany, if you look, you'll find that every synagogue in the country has two Police officers stationed outside 24 hours a day.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 15, 2024 10:18:57 GMT
"Ireland has legally declared the UK to be 'unsafe'. Do you think the UK is 'unsafe'? Because they do not believe, like our Supreme Court, that Rwanda is a safe country. I did laugh out loud when the Courts in NI declared that some provisions of recent Immigration Bill cannot be applied in NI because of provisions in the "Windsor" agreement which in some passages transcribed the Good Friday Agreement. Another Brexit bonus ๐๐๐ No, you misunderstand. The UK and Irish courts did not declare that Rwanda and the UK are 'unsafe'. The 'unsafe' part comes from where the migrants may be sent to after Rwanda and the UK. It's all to do with where the migrants may be sent after which is the part the courts decided was 'unsafe'. Are you aware of what the Good Friday Agreement says about the border? "What does the Good Friday Agreement say about a hard border? A lot less than you might think. The only place in which it alludes to infrastructure at the border is in the section on security. During the Troubles there were heavily fortified army barracks, police stations and watchtowers along the border. They were frequently attacked by Republican paramilitaries. Part of the peace deal involved the UK government agreeing to a process of removing those installations in what became known as "demilitarisation". The agreement states that "the development of a peaceful environment... can and should mean a normalisation of security arrangements and practices." The government committed to "as early a return as possible to normal security arrangements in Northern Ireland, consistent with the level of threat". That included "the removal of security installations". That is as far as the text goes." BBC Good Friday AgreementWhat does the Good Friday Agreement say about asylum seekers? - Um, err....nothing. Once again, if Rwanda is ok for the UN and the EU, why is it no good for us to use?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 15, 2024 7:57:23 GMT
Have you any idea as to what is going on in Libya at the moment? You don't do you. Oh, and it wasn't the 'country' that committed genocide. It was tribal. You really should read and learn a bit more and shake off those entrenched views you have of the world. It seems as though you are the one being sucked in by the media. Are you aware the genocide was 30 years ago? Things have moved on since then. I do, but instead of inferring I don't, why don't you articulate what is "going on" in Libya? Look at the link I provided earlier. It says about the EU/UN funding refugee camps in Rwanda, especially after migrant camps were bombed in Libya. If Rwanda is 'unsafe' why are the EU and UN both using it? Ireland has legally declared the UK to be 'unsafe'. Do you think the UK is 'unsafe'?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 15, 2024 6:30:03 GMT
It must be, The UN also have immigration places in Rwanda? Even the EU are in Rwanda....... "During his visit to Rwanda, Commissioner for International Cooperation and Development Neven Mimica has announced a โฌ10.3 million support package to the UNHCR's Emergency Transit Mechanism (ETM) in Rwanda, which provides a life-saving avenue out of Libya for people in need of international protection, with a view to their further resettlement. The funding is provided through the Emergency Trust Fund for Africa. This initiative builds on the example of the ETM Niger, through which more than 2,900 refugees and asylum seekers have been evacuated out of Libya since 2017. High Representative/Vice-President Federica Mogherini said: โThe Emergency Transit Mechanism in Rwanda is a vital life-saving measure to bring people in need of international protection out of Libya. It is an important sign of African solidarity and of partnership with the European Union. It broadens the support to the most vulnerable people held in Libyan detention centres that need to be closed urgently.โ Commissioner Mimica said: โThis project will support efforts of the Government of Rwanda to receive and provide protection to about 1,500 refugees and asylum-seekers who are currently being held in detention centres in Libya. Such a remarkable and powerful proof of African solidarity should be further encouraged, replicated and supported.โ Background The UNHCR has evacuated more than 4,250 refugees and asylum-seekers out of Libya to other countries since 2017. However, around 4,700 people are currently estimated to be held in dire conditions inside detention centres in the country. They urgently need to be moved to safety and to be provided with protection, lifesaving assistance, and durable solutions. Following the escalation in and around Tripoli, namely the July air strike on a migrant detention centre, the EU continues to support the vital work of the Gathering and Departure Facility on location." The EU and RwandaArsenal wear 'visit Rwanda' signs on their shirts! So Rwanda, a country that committed genocide, is safer than Libya which has terrorised their own people for decades. Who knew? Is that the appropriate comparison? I guess it is if anyone is blind, wearing an inverted balaclava and subjects themselves to blind prejudice. Meanwhile the poor people of Libya (we bombed them) are living a nightmare (we turn them away as refugees) and the poor people of Rwanda have to forget the atrocities we turned a blind eye to. Meanwhile someone on here tells us we must believe that Moses parted the Red Sea to establish the Israeli state. ๐๐๐ Have you any idea as to what is going on in Libya at the moment? You don't do you. Oh, and it wasn't the 'country' that committed genocide. It was tribal. You really should read and learn a bit more and shake off those entrenched views you have of the world. It seems as though you are the one being sucked in by the media. Are you aware the genocide was 30 years ago? Things have moved on since then.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 14, 2024 14:18:58 GMT
Is it correct Jewish peoples first claim to Israel goes back to 1300 BC,when Moses led them out of Egypt,to the Holy land. As far as Oldie is concerned it all started in 1947 !
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Post by Nobbygas on May 14, 2024 14:16:59 GMT
Lineker needs to open his eyes or at least read a book if he seriously believes what Israel are doing in Gaza is the worst he has seen in his lifetime. He's 63 years old and conveniently seems to have forgotten about the genocides in Cambodia, Sudan, Congo, Rwanda etc etc which all occurred during his lifetime. Oh and Gary it wasn't a "Hamas thing" it was an attack on innocent people by a terrorist organisation And Rwanda is a safe country. Oh, hang on๐ค๐๐ It must be, The UN also have immigration places in Rwanda? Even the EU are in Rwanda....... "During his visit to Rwanda, Commissioner for International Cooperation and Development Neven Mimica has announced a โฌ10.3 million support package to the UNHCR's Emergency Transit Mechanism (ETM) in Rwanda, which provides a life-saving avenue out of Libya for people in need of international protection, with a view to their further resettlement. The funding is provided through the Emergency Trust Fund for Africa. This initiative builds on the example of the ETM Niger, through which more than 2,900 refugees and asylum seekers have been evacuated out of Libya since 2017. High Representative/Vice-President Federica Mogherini said: โThe Emergency Transit Mechanism in Rwanda is a vital life-saving measure to bring people in need of international protection out of Libya. It is an important sign of African solidarity and of partnership with the European Union. It broadens the support to the most vulnerable people held in Libyan detention centres that need to be closed urgently.โ Commissioner Mimica said: โThis project will support efforts of the Government of Rwanda to receive and provide protection to about 1,500 refugees and asylum-seekers who are currently being held in detention centres in Libya. Such a remarkable and powerful proof of African solidarity should be further encouraged, replicated and supported.โ Background The UNHCR has evacuated more than 4,250 refugees and asylum-seekers out of Libya to other countries since 2017. However, around 4,700 people are currently estimated to be held in dire conditions inside detention centres in the country. They urgently need to be moved to safety and to be provided with protection, lifesaving assistance, and durable solutions. Following the escalation in and around Tripoli, namely the July air strike on a migrant detention centre, the EU continues to support the vital work of the Gathering and Departure Facility on location." The EU and RwandaArsenal wear 'visit Rwanda' signs on their shirts!
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Post by Nobbygas on May 13, 2024 23:46:18 GMT
There are some interesting issues thrown up. Demonstrations in Sweden calling for Israel to be banned from the competition. The Israeli act being received by boos from the crowd. From the Eurovision Judges the Israeli song only received 52 votes, from 27 countries.......yet the voting public voted if the best song. It was the classic case of the silent majority being heard. It's still a pile of contrived Horsesh*t No comment on the issue I raised?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 13, 2024 16:57:30 GMT
I cannot believe that anyone takes this nonsense seriously enough to pass comment There are some interesting issues thrown up. Demonstrations in Sweden calling for Israel to be banned from the competition. The Israeli act being received by boos from the crowd. From the Eurovision Judges the Israeli song only received 52 votes, from 27 countries.......yet the voting public voted if the best song. It was the classic case of the silent majority being heard.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 12, 2024 23:02:27 GMT
The whole show is just virtue signaling and political. Here are the examples:- The Israel act received very little votes from the 'Juries' yet received the highest vote from the public. There is a disconnect there. Ukraine received very little from the 'Juries' yet got a huge amount from the public. Another disconnect. The winner received the runaway highest votes from the 'Juries' yet only received the fifth highest vote from the public.
You would expect the public vote to some way reflect the votes from the 'Juries', but this doesn't happen.
Hate to say it, but the French song was far and away the best there.
When it comes to this 'contest' common sense goes out the window,
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Post by Nobbygas on May 11, 2024 7:42:22 GMT
Oldie - Have you ever seen the inside of an Iraqi Police torture room? I have.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 10, 2024 13:18:52 GMT
"Especially the Iraqi situation. A country we invaded, bombed and killed tens of thousands of people (much worse than Israel, even worse than the lunatics in HAMAS)." - Totally totally false. Who are the "WE" you talk about? The majority of deaths and killings in Iraq were carried out by Iraqis on Iraqis. To even suggest that the actions of the forces were worse than Hamas is just downright stupid, silly, ill-informed and false. "But let's talk of anti semitism parroting trash from the Daily Mail/Express. I do wonder about the reasoning capacity of some" If you cannot see what is going on regarding anti-semitic behaviour and actions then you really do need to open your eyes and look around. To sit there and claim it's all the fictional work of the Express or the Mail is quite sad. "Totally totally false. Who are the "WE" you talk about? The majority of deaths and killings in Iraq were carried out by Iraqis on Iraqis. To even suggest that the actions of the forces were worse than Hamas is just downright stupid, silly, ill-informed and false." We being the UK/USA led invasion force. You may well be able to segregate the death toll between direct fire or bombing by our coalition forces and the chaos that this unleashed. I cannot. If you can feel free to quote the numbers Made-up numbers concerning the amount of people who died really is the world of the un-informed and I really don't want to get into the world of he said, she said, regarding how many people died. Nobody will really know. There is so much you ignore in your warped view of blaming the West for everything.
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