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Post by faggotygas on Sept 7, 2017 7:27:22 GMT
Watched the game at yate town fc,quite a good crowd with the car park full. Gary johnson,darrell clarke and marcus stewart at the game,darrell kindly filled me in on our players names when i approached him. It was a very young rovers team v a cheltenham team with lots of league experienced. Our boys were very anxious to impress and the game was played at a frantic pace,we made too many bad decisions on and off the ball and got punished with a 5-1 defeat. Positives? A busy and aggresive display by cameron hargreaves and decent performances from our goalscorer dunwald as well as tidy performances from menayese and russe. Rhys kavanagn the young man we paid compensation for from newport had one of those days were nothing went right for him. Right back jordan williams and some of the other lads were just to hyped up and didnt produce their best. Winger kunlin otedeko has ability but didnt play simple balls when it was the obvious action which was frustrating. Had a chat with a very tall lad called charlie ten-grotenhuis who was a sub when they were kicking the ball around at half time,told me he was dutch but spoke very good english,he didnt get brought on sadly. I played at yate town several times years ago but the set up has improved and the pitch was superb imo That's good, I remember the Yate pitch being a sandbox
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 5, 2017 10:16:42 GMT
93% water, 7% chips
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2017 11:26:23 GMT
So you agree with the premise that Premier League and Championship B teams should play in the football league? where have they said that ? Having B teams in this competition is clearly a softener for allowing B teams into the Football League. By attending, you are implying support for that.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2017 7:59:30 GMT
I don't think anyone has called anyone a 'scab' for shades of allegiance division since the Miners' Strikes. It's about as senseless as the Peoples' Front of Judea calling the Judean Peoples' Front 'splitters' in Life of Brian. If someone wants to attend, bloody well let them. That's one more evening of their time and money supporting the club we love that YOU decided to spend being hysterical on the internet. Again. So you agree with the premise that Premier League and Championship B teams should play in the football league?
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 24, 2017 15:05:27 GMT
Surely if its a credit facility, it's there to be drawn on as required and wouldn't be shown as cash immediately? Like an overdraft facility with a bank?
Credit facilities are perfectly normal, I don't think i own shares in asingle company without some agreed dredit facility with a bank, venture capitalists etc. However, with the strong posiblity of £10m being used up fairly quickly, if I was a Director of Bristol Rovers FC I would want to know what contingency is in place for when it does run out.
Yes but the last set of accounts showed that we are already owing approx £7m under the facility. As it's a Revolving Credit Facility you can only then borrow thst £7m again if you've first repaid it. Di you believe we've repaid anything since the last set if accounts? As you point out many companies have these facilities available but not many companies that have consistently negative cadhflow have them. Of course not many companies are spending the proceeds of there only asset in that situation luckily for us our owners are happy to lend us that money knowing it's covered by the security they have arranged. What a great wheeze that is Presumably that credit is only borrowed as its paid out, so would never show as cash in the bank (or only fleetingly). It would be shown as borrowings and expenditure in the year end accounts. Or have I got that wrong?
Totally agree your last paragraph, and it worries me. Why are the fans directors not enquiring as to the future financial security of the club? I'd want to know the answer to the above question before buying a tenner's worth of shares in a business, let alone the amount that the supporter's club has put in. I've invested in loss-making companies before, but I want to know the turnaround plan and short, medium and long term cashflow and credit situation first and be comfortable with it.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 24, 2017 12:51:11 GMT
I am well aware of previous treads on this subject, my question is, do we have any proof that the money raised against this charge has been spent on day to day running of the club or as I've been told, is to cover the cost of development of the Colony Complex Well there was no £10m pot of cash sat on the balance sheet at the last accounts, when Dwane had already put in place the Revolving Credit Facility. So where has the loan cash gone? Spent on the training ground? So you're saying we've borrowed £10m from the owners of the training ground to then spend on increasing the value of their asset? Whiffs of fraud dies that or asset stripping. Or actually cash was required to pay off loans. Wonga ex directors etc, and to meet the regular, negative, cadhflow of the business. If you believe the £10m is for the training ground (cost and expenses to date £1m? Of which Dwane paid the cost of £1m as they have unequivocally said they own the site) your living in cloud cuckoo land or the club is sat with £9-10m in its bank account. Which do you think is the likely answer. Surely if its a credit facility, it's there to be drawn on as required and wouldn't be shown as cash immediately? Like an overdraft facility with a bank?
Credit facilities are perfectly normal, I don't think i own shares in asingle company without some agreed dredit facility with a bank, venture capitalists etc. However, with the strong posiblity of £10m being used up fairly quickly, if I was a Director of Bristol Rovers FC I would want to know what contingency is in place for when it does run out.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 23, 2017 11:18:20 GMT
If this ever comes to fruition I hope they drop the bluddy word COLONY. It brings to mind either a group of cast out lepers or aspirations of colonial expansion. Surely there's a better name. What's wrong with a pirate colony? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertatia
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 22, 2017 12:43:37 GMT
I stand corrected only going on kp original post of 6 % per month Swiss gas saying 6% per annum but my maths were right but even if we are paying 600 k per annum that's a fair chunk of our income gone Just to be a picky little sh!t for a moment, 6% per month compound would have been 101.2% a year, not 72%...
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 21, 2017 14:25:50 GMT
History suggests that we would have done - there is not a single historic club that has ceased to exist in its entirety. Sure, some have reformed etc - that's the nice thing about English football, no matter how dire the circumstances there's always a way back. Even Bradford Park Avenue still exists. I agree,and for true fans of clubs that do get back into the league it must be very satisfying to stay loyal and keep going through the 'bad' days.
I wonder what would happen if Rovers went bust and dropped out of the league ? some fans would go and watch other teams no doubt,some would go to watch city, some would drop out of going to football altogether and watch TV matches,and some would remain nominally Rovers 'supporters' but not go to games, hopefully a large percentage would continue following Rovers no matter what, I suppose 'how low would you go ?' is up to the individual.
Um, we did drop out of the league, quite recently...
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 21, 2017 11:24:09 GMT
...but is still livable, and is better than the bedsit you were in before?
Look I'm not saying that the board shouldn't have done things to improve the Mem since we moved in. But the statement 'the club haven't built a stand since the 30's' or whatever is clearly mean to imply that the club has never done anything to improve our stadium set-up, which is not true, since the club bought the Mem. I mean, if the council was to build us an 80,000 seater stadium and the club bought it for £1billion, then the same dig would still apply - but it would be churlish.
OK then, putting it a different way. Do you think the club has actually spent enough since 1935 on infrastructure? Well done on stumbling across a ground, fantastic. What we've done since though is frankly pathetic. No, of course not. Be the club hasn't spent nothing, which is what the phrase I mentioned implies.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 21, 2017 7:38:56 GMT
What if you mothball the mansion for 20 years? In fact, what about if the mansion was actually a derelict two up two down in need of renovating when you bought it? ...but is still livable, and is better than the bedsit you were in before?
Look I'm not saying that the board shouldn't have done things to improve the Mem since we moved in. But the statement 'the club haven't built a stand since the 30's' or whatever is clearly mean to imply that the club has never done anything to improve our stadium set-up, which is not true, since the club bought the Mem. I mean, if the council was to build us an 80,000 seater stadium and the club bought it for £1billion, then the same dig would still apply - but it would be churlish.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 21, 2017 7:33:25 GMT
In fact, what about if the mansion was actually a derelict two up two down in need of renovating when you bought it? Save your effort. Nobody being objective would look at where we were the day we moved back to Bristol, the way that we got lucky and had the other 50% of the ground handed to us for next to nothing, look at who paid for the improvements that have been done to the ground and still try to argue that we've done a good job of bettering the stadium ourselves, because we haven't. Not that it matters much, if Swiss is right it looks like just about all of the equity in the stadium is spent anyway Ok, but why is bettering a ground ourselves any different to moving to a better ground?
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 18, 2017 13:55:27 GMT
I always find this argument a bit churlish. The club paid for an entire stadium, its where we play now - it just happened to already be built!
I mean, it's not though. The club has completely neglected the Mem for the near 20 years we've owned it. Not investing a penny in the place. I don't think it's churlish to point out no investment has been made into improving a stadium since 1935. It's all be funded by supporters, insurance and third parties. Moving to the Mem from Twerton was an improvement in facilities, you can't deny that. Does it matter that the club didn't build the Mem themselves? What's the difference between improving a stadium yourself, and buying a better one?
That's like saying a man who buys a mansion having lived in a one bed flat hasn't improved his living circumstances, just because he didn't build the mansion himself. Not saying the Mem is a mansion btw.
Ultimately, by buying the Mem the club paid to upgrade the ground in which it plays football.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 18, 2017 12:25:28 GMT
Those are good choices of clubs, if you are suggesting that we build a ground with a capacity smaller than the Mem!
Walsall - Nope, 27 years ago. Capacity only 11,000 Shrewsbury - Capacity only just over 10,000 Chesterfield - 8,500 Colchester - Capacity 10,000 and owned by the Council, not the club Scunny - Nope, 29 years ago. Capacity 9,000 Forest Green (before Stale Mince arrived) - Capacity 5,000 Oxford - Capacity 12,500 and not owned by the club Burton - Capacity 7,000 Wycombe - Nope, 27 years ago. Capacity 10,000
Most of these clubs were able to pay for thier new grounds by selling thier existing grounds for development and buying cheaper land elsewhere. We could do that, if our ambition was to build a 10,000 seater stadium. But that would be a bit pointless, wouldn't it?
Gillingham refurbished thier stadium, but faced severe financial problems as a result, eventually selling the ground to a holding company. Blackpool - a couple of small new stands, funded by the Oyston family Orient - a couple of small new stands, paid for by Barry Hearn.
The football club has paid for and built a permanent structure since the Tote End in 1935. I dream of something like Sparda-Bank-Hessen-Stadion or Stadion An der Alten Försterei. I always find this argument a bit churlish. The club paid for an entire stadium, its where we play now - it just happened to already be built!
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 18, 2017 9:43:41 GMT
Um. Money. We don't have any. Bournemouth do. In the past 25 years the following clubs, off the top of my head, have built new grounds: Walsall Shrewsbury Chesterfield Colchester Scunny Forest Green (before Stale Mince arrived) Oxford Burton Wycombe Others, such as Gillingham, Blackpool and Orient, have completely redeveloped their current ground. Question - which of these clubs had a pot to piss in at the time of development? Those are good choices of clubs, if you are suggesting that we build a ground with a capacity smaller than the Mem!
Walsall - Nope, 27 years ago. Capacity only 11,000 Shrewsbury - Capacity only just over 10,000 Chesterfield - 8,500 Colchester - Capacity 10,000 and owned by the Council, not the club Scunny - Nope, 29 years ago. Capacity 9,000 Forest Green (before Stale Mince arrived) - Capacity 5,000 Oxford - Capacity 12,500 and not owned by the club Burton - Capacity 7,000 Wycombe - Nope, 27 years ago. Capacity 10,000
Most of these clubs were able to pay for thier new grounds by selling thier existing grounds for development and buying cheaper land elsewhere. We could do that, if our ambition was to build a 10,000 seater stadium. But that would be a bit pointless, wouldn't it?
Gillingham refurbished thier stadium, but faced severe financial problems as a result, eventually selling the ground to a holding company. Blackpool - a couple of small new stands, funded by the Oyston family Orient - a couple of small new stands, paid for by Barry Hearn.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 18, 2017 8:01:35 GMT
Or sponsorship of Popular Insurance South Stand That acronym is really taking the.....erm......Mickey!(?) Actually its Poplar Insulation East Stand
That second pasty hut better be ready with that kind of subliminal advertising
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 18, 2017 7:57:58 GMT
It's interesting that other clubs around the country create their own facilities, seemingly trouble-free, and yet every project since 1980s here, in Bristol area and surrounds has been strangled, hampered or just plain scuppered. That's years upon years of progress halted because of poor forward thought, funding non promises, council opposition, local opposition, political opponents getting involved, etc etc....any excuse.(?) Scunthorpe among others broke the trend in 80s and moved out of town. Now even their ground is considered old hat. Why is this part of the world so difficult to redevelop in name of sport (franchise apart)? Um. Money. We don't have any. Bournemouth do.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 16, 2017 12:51:17 GMT
Some good news about the ref on Saturday,last time he done a gas match we won 2-0 at Oxford,but with 6 yellows in the match,lightening might strike twice ?? You're thinking of Wycombe
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 11, 2017 13:40:08 GMT
Wael did well in the interview.He reminded those whose glass is half empty that the building team he has ,has built a dozen stadiums.They are good and have real experience. He also mentioned that the Mem area is the same size as "Goodison".Goodison has a big capacity and if the build digs a hole first,then begins to build upwards (a la UWE plan) the New Mem can have a capacity of say 25,000. Then we have the Coloney traing ground.The best manager in decades on a long contract.Players signed the last Board would not of managed to sign eg Liam Sercombe.Coaching staff.Cowds the best since early-ish 70s.Etc. My glass is half full and I remain a believer. I'll try to depress you on Saturday.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 11, 2017 8:35:51 GMT
As Harold said in 1957 (MacMillan) not Jarman to my grandfather "Let us be frank about it: most of our people have never had it so good". League One Football, a 11,500 capacity football stadium, average attendances of 9,500, 4,500 season ticket holders, a young talented manager on a five year contract, a second round entry into the League Cup, an award winning match day programme plus real cornish pasties. What's not to like ! That's true. The problem is, football in England is so competitive that if you aren't progressing off the pitch, you are in danger of becoming obsolete.
And, of course, there's the question of what happens when the money runs out, as it always has int he past.
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