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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 22:59:36 GMT
Watched the game at yate town fc,quite a good crowd with the car park full.
Gary johnson,darrell clarke and marcus stewart at the game,darrell kindly filled me in on our players names when i approached him.
It was a very young rovers team v a cheltenham team with lots of league experienced.
Our boys were very anxious to impress and the game was played at a frantic pace,we made too many bad decisions on and off the ball and got punished with a 5-1 defeat.
Positives? A busy and aggresive display by cameron hargreaves and decent performances from our goalscorer dunwald as well as tidy performances from menayese and russe.
Rhys kavanagn the young man we paid compensation for from newport had one of those days were nothing went right for him.
Right back jordan williams and some of the other lads were just to hyped up and didnt produce their best.
Winger kunlin otedeko has ability but didnt play simple balls when it was the obvious action which was frustrating.
Had a chat with a very tall lad called charlie ten-grotenhuis who was a sub when they were kicking the ball around at half time,told me he was dutch but spoke very good english,he didnt get brought on sadly.
I played at yate town several times years ago but the set up has improved and the pitch was superb imo
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 7, 2017 5:15:27 GMT
Thanks for taking time to watch and post, BI..
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 7, 2017 7:27:22 GMT
Watched the game at yate town fc,quite a good crowd with the car park full. Gary johnson,darrell clarke and marcus stewart at the game,darrell kindly filled me in on our players names when i approached him. It was a very young rovers team v a cheltenham team with lots of league experienced. Our boys were very anxious to impress and the game was played at a frantic pace,we made too many bad decisions on and off the ball and got punished with a 5-1 defeat. Positives? A busy and aggresive display by cameron hargreaves and decent performances from our goalscorer dunwald as well as tidy performances from menayese and russe. Rhys kavanagn the young man we paid compensation for from newport had one of those days were nothing went right for him. Right back jordan williams and some of the other lads were just to hyped up and didnt produce their best. Winger kunlin otedeko has ability but didnt play simple balls when it was the obvious action which was frustrating. Had a chat with a very tall lad called charlie ten-grotenhuis who was a sub when they were kicking the ball around at half time,told me he was dutch but spoke very good english,he didnt get brought on sadly. I played at yate town several times years ago but the set up has improved and the pitch was superb imo That's good, I remember the Yate pitch being a sandbox |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 7, 2017 8:03:28 GMT
It was a very young rovers team v a cheltenham team with lots of league experienced. In Chris Hargreaves' Interview, he mentioned that the Cheltenham side had "600, 700, 800" games behind them, whereas our lads had "none". If he's talking about first team experience, here's a rough idea of the Cheltenham line-up: | Lovett (GK) | 0 | | Bower | 1 | | Downes | 331 | | O'Shaughnessy | 27 | | Llewelyn | 0 | | Lloyd | 0 | | Atangana | 89 | | Holman | 48 | | Gordon | 15 | | Trialist (Davey) | 34 | | Trialist (N'diaye) | 104 |
So as Chris Hargreaves said, the Cheltenham side had over 600 senior games under their belts. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 8, 2017 7:14:43 GMT
It's a great shame that at club and national level, our players are taught to pass very quickly. None of them are encouraged to run with the ball and their skills are often coached out of them and at an early age.
I truly believe that if we did encourage some dribbling and carrying of the ball, instead of getting rid if it asap then we may just turn the corner and have some decent and talented players, ready to step up to the plate. Forgive my baseball analogy but it seems apt
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Post by irishrover on Sept 11, 2017 19:05:22 GMT
It's a great shame that at club and national level, our players are taught to pass very quickly. None of them are encouraged to run with the ball and their skills are often coached out of them and at an early age. I truly believe that if we did encourage some dribbling and carrying of the ball, instead of getting rid if it asap then we may just turn the corner and have some decent and talented players, ready to step up to the plate. Forgive my baseball analogy but it seems apt Part of it is just the changing game though. Issues of technical skill not withstanding (and there is definitely an issue there), the pitch is just a lot more condensed than it used to be. Teams play with higher defensive lines and players can physically cover a hell of a lot more ground than they used to be able to particularly defenders. So the value of those running skills are probably not as high as they once were - we're a long time from the era of Stanley Matthews when a skilled player could beat a full back from a standing start if they were nippy enough. You just aren't going to be able to do that very often now. If the game is played in a more condensed area then there's quite simply less space to run into. For all that Messi and Ronaldo catch the eye for what they do on the ball - it's the passers that make the world go round in modern football these days. You have to be off the charts good now to make hay in the game as a pure runner/skilled players. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 11, 2017 20:41:50 GMT
But it leads to some of our team truly getting rid of the ball too quickly. I'm ok with the passing game just don't coach out all the skills please
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Post by irishrover on Sept 11, 2017 21:01:16 GMT
But it leads to some of our team truly getting rid of the ball too quickly. I'm ok with the passing game just don't coach out all the skills please Yeah - what I'm saying though is that I'm not sure that it's the take up of the passing emphasis that has squeezed out the skills. My view is that it's more about systems - players get drilled to the max now to play in systems. Holding your position in formation is critical. It's all about maximising/minimising space within the condensed bit of the pitch the game is actually played on. If you stop play from above at an average point, and exclude the goalkeepers, then the players are probably only occupying a maximum of 30-40% of the playing area and that 30-40% moves around the pitch depending on who has the ball but the shape remains remarkably consistent. When you watch a Premiership team move around the pitch from a high vantage point on telly it almost feels like you are watching people on auto-pilot. I really don't think that was the case even 15 years ago - it certainly wasn't 20 or 30 years ago. Something equivalent has happened in most team sports - the coach and backroom staff have become more and more important over the years. The games are analysed to death - we can statistically work out the best strategies in nearly any given situation. The term % football could describe what the modern game has become - it's all about doing whatever it is in any scenario which is going to maximise the chance of success and having that drilled into you - and that is rarely unrestricted individual expression which can go horribly wrong and drag many of your other players out of position thereby giving space to the opposition to exploit. The result is less and less room for individual expression in fewer and fewer places on the pitch. What catches the eye and impresses the fan isn't necessarily what actually produces the result. Joe Cole was an eye catching player - most people who analyse this stuff for a living say he was the most overrated player in Premiership history who consistently made his teams worse when he was on the field. For me, that's more why some of that stuff has gone. The drive for perfection in strategy, fitness and training doesn't necessarily lead to a better spectacle in my view - it doesn't necessarily lead to a worse one either but there are trade offs like there are in all eras. |
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 11, 2017 21:35:48 GMT
Watched a Rovers team at Frys years ago, young team including Mabbut, Paul Petts and Mike Malpas.
The manager Harold also played.
They rarely took a player on, it was all give and go even then.
Irish you are right, we were saying the same Sat. Rugby really shows moves to be like pre planned chess moves. And the same is happening in football, made worse with the fact that it is now very difficult to tackle these days.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 12, 2017 11:02:48 GMT
Watched a Rovers team at Frys years ago, young team including Mabbut, Paul Petts and Mike Malpas. The manager Harold also played. They rarely took a player on, it was all give and go even then. Irish you are right, we were saying the same Sat. Rugby really shows moves to be like pre planned chess moves. And the same is happening in football, made worse with the fact that it is now very difficult to tackle these days. Yes - that's it. It's all about seamless team discipline and that gives less and less space for individual freedom of expression. I really like Ice Hockey but that sport has been absolutely ripped of all of its individuality by relentless defensive coaching strategies. Only the very, very best are given the freedom by their coaches. I feel like football is going that way - we're in the era of the supermanager. Many think that is Guardiola and Klopp style stuff - but the most reliable way to do it is the way Mourihno and Benitez set-up, they are the ones who have all the clones working across European football making it all the same. Is that really the football we want to watch? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2017 16:08:01 GMT
Watched a Rovers team at Frys years ago, young team including Mabbut, Paul Petts and Mike Malpas. The manager Harold also played. They rarely took a player on, it was all give and go even then. Irish you are right, we were saying the same Sat. Rugby really shows moves to be like pre planned chess moves. And the same is happening in football, made worse with the fact that it is now very difficult to tackle these days. Yes - that's it. It's all about seamless team discipline and that gives less and less space for individual freedom of expression. I really like Ice Hockey but that sport has been absolutely ripped of all of its individuality by relentless defensive coaching strategies. Only the very, very best are given the freedom by their coaches. I feel like football is going that way - we're in the era of the supermanager. Many think that is Guardiola and Klopp style stuff - but the most reliable way to do it is the way Mourihno and Benitez set-up, they are the ones who have all the clones working across European football making it all the same. Is that really the football we want to watch? No is my unequivocal answer. I'd love to see a certain amount of freedom for certain players but I am p155ing into the wind or so it seems. Going back to when Wayne Rooney played his best , in Portugal 1996 I think, he would run at players and scare them to death but he never ever reached those heights again. There is something fundamentally wrong with the game when it's all about formations and staying to plans. I don't think it makes it entertaining either and many forget that the fans pay not only to watch a game but to be entertained. Maybe I'm just an old fart who wishes we had players who could run at the opposing teams and have some freedom to express themselves. I think Ellis Harrison has found it difficult to make the change. He was allowed more freedom in the youth set up. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 17:06:28 GMT
Yes - that's it. It's all about seamless team discipline and that gives less and less space for individual freedom of expression. I really like Ice Hockey but that sport has been absolutely ripped of all of its individuality by relentless defensive coaching strategies. Only the very, very best are given the freedom by their coaches. I feel like football is going that way - we're in the era of the supermanager. Many think that is Guardiola and Klopp style stuff - but the most reliable way to do it is the way Mourihno and Benitez set-up, they are the ones who have all the clones working across European football making it all the same. Is that really the football we want to watch? No is my unequivocal answer. I'd love to see a certain amount of freedom for certain players but I am p155ing into the wind or so it seems. Going back to when Wayne Rooney played his best , in Portugal 1996 I think, he would run at players and scare them to death but he never ever reached those heights again. There is something fundamentally wrong with the game when it's all about formations and staying to plans. I don't think it makes it entertaining either and many forget that the fans pay not only to watch a game but to be entertained. Maybe I'm just an old fart who wishes we had players who could run at the opposing teams and have some freedom to express themselves. I think Ellis Harrison has found it difficult to make the change. He was allowed more freedom in the youth set up. 2004, KP. He'd have been 10 in '96. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2017 18:14:10 GMT
No is my unequivocal answer. I'd love to see a certain amount of freedom for certain players but I am p155ing into the wind or so it seems. Going back to when Wayne Rooney played his best , in Portugal 1996 I think, he would run at players and scare them to death but he never ever reached those heights again. There is something fundamentally wrong with the game when it's all about formations and staying to plans. I don't think it makes it entertaining either and many forget that the fans pay not only to watch a game but to be entertained. Maybe I'm just an old fart who wishes we had players who could run at the opposing teams and have some freedom to express themselves. I think Ellis Harrison has found it difficult to make the change. He was allowed more freedom in the youth set up. 2004, KP. He'd have been 10 in '96. I kind of thought it was wrong but I still typed it ! Lol |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 13, 2017 11:03:56 GMT
2004, KP. He'd have been 10 in '96. I kind of thought it was wrong but I still typed it ! Lol I now understand why, in the good ole US of A, the Irish joked here are changed to the dumb Polak. I got hammered one night , in a comedy club in downtown Chicago but I took it well and the performer went out of his way to apologise. About some of the more delicate stuff yet I was not at all bothered by it and told him it's how us English are and that we never waste an opportunity to take the p155 |
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