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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 23, 2021 17:16:13 GMT
Does a club losing £2m/£3m a year really need to worry about a 50/50 draw bringing in £500/£1000 a home match, why not just scrap the draw then there's no arguments over who sell the tickets? That then just leaves the SC as away travel organisers!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 17:53:33 GMT
Does a club losing £2m/£3m a year really need to worry about a 50/50 draw bringing in £500/£1000 a home match, why not just scrap the draw then there's no arguments over who sell the tickets? That then just leaves the SC as away travel organisers! Because £25k is a lot of money, and enough small leaks sink big ships?
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 23, 2021 17:58:56 GMT
Does a club losing £2m/£3m a year really need to worry about a 50/50 draw bringing in £500/£1000 a home match, why not just scrap the draw then there's no arguments over who sell the tickets? That then just leaves the SC as away travel organisers! Because £25k is a lot of money, and enough small leaks sink big ships? Was any of the £25K actually being passed to the club of was it just spent sponsoring the Gas Girls etc? Perhaps that's another reason the club want to bring it in-house>
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Post by swissgas on Aug 23, 2021 18:13:25 GMT
Does a club losing £2m/£3m a year really need to worry about a 50/50 draw bringing in £500/£1000 a home match, why not just scrap the draw then there's no arguments over who sell the tickets? That then just leaves the SC as away travel organisers! No, of course the £ 23000 or so raised annually by the 50/50 draw is not the issue here and neither is the red herring of modernising and improving the efficiency of it. There has been no forethought by the club about what will happen with the 50/50 draw or how it's profitability could be increased and this is shown by TG asking the SC last week if they would give him one of the old tickets so he could get his printers to copy it. The real issue, unfortunately, is IMO Wael shares a trait with Nick Higgs in that he takes things much too personally and so everyone must be either your friend or your enemy. Life experience shows that you have very few true friends and very few true enemies meaning 99% of the people you know and have dealings with come somewhere in between. In life and in business I've found it's essential to see people's good and bad points but always try to get along with them rather than constantly fall out. But, sadly, falling out is what has been happening far too frequently at Rovers in recent years. I don't know Jim or Ken but from what I have seen and heard much of the criticism of them is valid and there is no doubt the SC and PC both need modernising and reinvigorating. But if we see Wael as a wealthy and well educated man then surely he should be capable of easily out maneuvering Jim and Ken without leaving any suspicion, which I think there is, that this episode is being used to divert attention away from the much more important issues of the team, the management, the finances and the stadium.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2021 18:18:26 GMT
Even though I agree, don’t you think there are more things that need more urgent attention other than making a spat with the FC very public ?Who made it public KP ? Must have missed the part where the SC sent a letter to ALL fans
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Post by swissgas on Aug 23, 2021 18:35:35 GMT
Because £25k is a lot of money, and enough small leaks sink big ships? Was any of the £25K actually being passed to the club of was it just spent sponsoring the Gas Girls etc? Perhaps that's another reason the club want to bring it in-house> I believe all the money raised by the 50/50 draw goes directly to the Academy. Also, we need to remember that in 2017 when the SC suggested donating £ 50 000 for specific items at the training ground the situation was completely different. At that time Evans Jones were about to be commissioned to draw up full scale plans for a purpose built training ground which would bring the whole playing side of the club together including the Academy. So, with the SC being heavily involved in helping the Academy, it is not surprising that they would wish to donate money to provide a barrier around the pitch where the Academy sides would play plus a dugout and a small seating area for spectators, parents etc. Now it is being demanded they put the £ 50 000 in to help "sustain" the ersatz training ground so, with the Academy not likely to be able to use the facility in the foreseeable future, the goal posts have been changed and they are being told to make a "donation" . Which begs the question of why it is needed if the training ground project has already been properly budgeted ?
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 23, 2021 19:15:38 GMT
We are in a right state.Can't face going all the way to Barrow after that awful inept display so will be going to watch Cullompton Rangers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 19:28:18 GMT
View AttachmentWe are in a right state.Can't face going all the way to Barrow after that awful inept display so will be going to watch Cullompton Rangers. Beer Albion are at home.
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 23, 2021 19:33:19 GMT
Must have missed the part where the SC sent a letter to ALL fans JC knows full well if he publishes an article on the SC website it will quickly find it's way on to the forums & FB.
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 23, 2021 19:36:42 GMT
Does a club losing £2m/£3m a year really need to worry about a 50/50 draw bringing in £500/£1000 a home match, why not just scrap the draw then there's no arguments over who sell the tickets? That then just leaves the SC as away travel organisers! No, of course the £ 23000 or so raised annually by the 50/50 draw is not the issue here and neither is the red herring of modernising and improving the efficiency of it. There has been no forethought by the club about what will happen with the 50/50 draw or how it's profitability could be increased and this is shown by TG asking the SC last week if they would give him one of the old tickets so he could get his printers to copy it. The real issue, unfortunately, is IMO Wael shares a trait with Nick Higgs in that he takes things much too personally and so everyone must be either your friend or your enemy. Life experience shows that you have very few true friends and very few true enemies meaning 99% of the people you know and have dealings with come somewhere in between. In life and in business I've found it's essential to see people's good and bad points but always try to get along with them rather than constantly fall out. But, sadly, falling out is what has been happening far too frequently at Rovers in recent years. I don't know Jim or Ken but from what I have seen and heard much of the criticism of them is valid and there is no doubt the SC and PC both need modernising and reinvigorating. But if we see Wael as a wealthy and well educated man then surely he should be capable of easily out maneuvering Jim and Ken without leaving any suspicion, which I think there is, that this episode is being used to divert attention away from the much more important issues of the team, the management, the finances and the stadium. But that's been happening from day one with JC, he's the character who seems to have a deep mistrust for Wael, Knowall is also continually posting the club had no money, shortly before Wael clear the debts.
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 23, 2021 19:41:13 GMT
Was any of the £25K actually being passed to the club of was it just spent sponsoring the Gas Girls etc? Perhaps that's another reason the club want to bring it in-house> I believe all the money raised by the 50/50 draw goes directly to the Academy. Also, we need to remember that in 2017 when the SC suggested donating £ 50 000 for specific items at the training ground the situation was completely different. At that time Evans Jones were about to be commissioned to draw up full scale plans for a purpose built training ground which would bring the whole playing side of the club together including the Academy. So, with the SC being heavily involved in helping the Academy, it is not surprising that they would wish to donate money to provide a barrier around the pitch where the Academy sides would play plus a dugout and a small seating area for spectators, parents etc. Now it is being demanded they put the £ 50 000 in to help "sustain" the ersatz training ground so, with the Academy not likely to be able to use the facility in the foreseeable future, the goal posts have been changed and they are being told to make a "donation" . Which begs the question of why it is needed if the training ground project has already been properly budgeted ? I guess you could turn that around and ask what the SC intend doing with the £50K if they don't donate it towards the training ground? I doubt £50K is make or break as far as the training ground project is concerned it now seems a point of principle.
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 23, 2021 20:18:08 GMT
View AttachmentWe are in a right state.Can't face going all the way to Barrow after that awful inept display so will be going to watch Cullompton Rangers. BUT...... they are in R**!!!
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Post by swissgas on Aug 23, 2021 20:21:30 GMT
No, of course the £ 23000 or so raised annually by the 50/50 draw is not the issue here and neither is the red herring of modernising and improving the efficiency of it. There has been no forethought by the club about what will happen with the 50/50 draw or how it's profitability could be increased and this is shown by TG asking the SC last week if they would give him one of the old tickets so he could get his printers to copy it. The real issue, unfortunately, is IMO Wael shares a trait with Nick Higgs in that he takes things much too personally and so everyone must be either your friend or your enemy. Life experience shows that you have very few true friends and very few true enemies meaning 99% of the people you know and have dealings with come somewhere in between. In life and in business I've found it's essential to see people's good and bad points but always try to get along with them rather than constantly fall out. But, sadly, falling out is what has been happening far too frequently at Rovers in recent years. I don't know Jim or Ken but from what I have seen and heard much of the criticism of them is valid and there is no doubt the SC and PC both need modernising and reinvigorating. But if we see Wael as a wealthy and well educated man then surely he should be capable of easily out maneuvering Jim and Ken without leaving any suspicion, which I think there is, that this episode is being used to divert attention away from the much more important issues of the team, the management, the finances and the stadium. But that's been happening from day one with JC, he's the character who seems to have a deep mistrust for Wael, Knowall is also continually posting the club had no money, shortly before Wael clear the debts. I'm looking at the bigger picture over perhaps ten years. Think of all the people and organisations Rovers have fallen out with in that time which were once our friends but overnight became our enemies. And think of all the people who arrived at Rovers bringing great expectations but then inexplicably disappeared. I'm saying that the frequency with which this happens is not normal and while it's easy to gain kudos by allowing a soft target like the SC to become an enemy all it really does is cover up a fundamental flaw in that mysterious DNA. Our leaders take things too personally, and encourage fans to do the same, which is a negative strategy that has failed to the point where many Gasheads must be thinking "who are we going to fall out with next ?"
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2021 20:23:55 GMT
But that's been happening from day one with JC, he's the character who seems to have a deep mistrust for Wael, Knowall is also continually posting the club had no money, shortly before Wael clear the debts. I'm looking at the bigger picture over perhaps ten years. Think of all the people and organisations Rovers have fallen out with in that time which were once our friends but overnight became our enemies. And think of all the people who arrived at Rovers bringing great expectations but then inexplicably disappeared. I'm saying that the frequency with which this happens is not normal and while it's easy to gain kudos by allowing a soft target like the SC to become an enemy all it really does is cover up a fundamental flaw in that mysterious DNA. Our leaders take things too personally, and encourage fans to do the same, which is a negative strategy that has failed to the point where many Gasheads must be thinking "who are we going to fall out with next ?" Take things too personally? Got any examples swiss?
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Post by swissgas on Aug 23, 2021 20:33:03 GMT
I believe all the money raised by the 50/50 draw goes directly to the Academy. Also, we need to remember that in 2017 when the SC suggested donating £ 50 000 for specific items at the training ground the situation was completely different. At that time Evans Jones were about to be commissioned to draw up full scale plans for a purpose built training ground which would bring the whole playing side of the club together including the Academy. So, with the SC being heavily involved in helping the Academy, it is not surprising that they would wish to donate money to provide a barrier around the pitch where the Academy sides would play plus a dugout and a small seating area for spectators, parents etc. Now it is being demanded they put the £ 50 000 in to help "sustain" the ersatz training ground so, with the Academy not likely to be able to use the facility in the foreseeable future, the goal posts have been changed and they are being told to make a "donation" . Which begs the question of why it is needed if the training ground project has already been properly budgeted ? I guess you could turn that around and ask what the SC intend doing with the £50K if they don't donate it towards the training ground? I doubt £50K is make or break as far as the training ground project is concerned it now seems a point of principle. The SC should do whatever their members want them to do with the money and not what the football club tells them to do with it. I think many posters like Pop and Peter Parker said this at the time Jim's letter appeared. As I posted above, there was a specific reason the SC proposed contributing £ 50 000 but, because the revised training ground is only for first team use, that reason is no longer valid. I think Jim's offer of £ 25 000 was intended as a goodwill gesture but that was rejected and the full £ 50 000 demanded. There are two sides to every story and while I can see faults with the way Jim and Ken have behaved it would be very foolish to pretend Wael and the Football Club are blameless.
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 23, 2021 21:08:51 GMT
I guess you could turn that around and ask what the SC intend doing with the £50K if they don't donate it towards the training ground? I doubt £50K is make or break as far as the training ground project is concerned it now seems a point of principle. The SC should do whatever their members want them to do with the money and not what the football club tells them to do with it. I think many posters like Pop and Peter Parker said this at the time Jim's letter appeared. As I posted above, there was a specific reason the SC proposed contributing £ 50 000 but, because the revised training ground is only for first team use, that reason is no longer valid. I think Jim's offer of £ 25 000 was intended as a goodwill gesture but that was rejected and the full £ 50 000 demanded. There are two sides to every story and while I can see faults with the way Jim and Ken have behaved it would be very foolish to pretend Wael and the Football Club are blameless. The SC didn't offer to pay £25K, what they actually offered was : "The Supporters Club’s decision, as a gesture of goodwill, was to offer to donate £25,000 now with a further £25,000 next year in exchange for us retaining full control of the 50/50 Draw which would continue to provide the funding."
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2021 21:18:01 GMT
The SC should do whatever their members want them to do with the money and not what the football club tells them to do with it. I think many posters like Pop and Peter Parker said this at the time Jim's letter appeared. As I posted above, there was a specific reason the SC proposed contributing £ 50 000 but, because the revised training ground is only for first team use, that reason is no longer valid. I think Jim's offer of £ 25 000 was intended as a goodwill gesture but that was rejected and the full £ 50 000 demanded. There are two sides to every story and while I can see faults with the way Jim and Ken have behaved it would be very foolish to pretend Wael and the Football Club are blameless. The SC didn't offer to pay £25K, what they actually offered was : "The Supporters Club’s decision, as a gesture of goodwill, was to offer to donate £25,000 now with a further £25,000 next year in exchange for us retaining full control of the 50/50 Draw which would continue to provide the funding." So, according to the club, the SC minutes from late 2017 show it was agreed to pay £50k Since then, the SC leadership has held the money back, and have recently suggested £25k now and £25k next year as the 'price' for retaining the 50/50 Is that it?
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Post by The Concept on Aug 23, 2021 21:28:34 GMT
The SC didn't offer to pay £25K, what they actually offered was : "The Supporters Club’s decision, as a gesture of goodwill, was to offer to donate £25,000 now with a further £25,000 next year in exchange for us retaining full control of the 50/50 Draw which would continue to provide the funding." So, according to the club, the SC minutes from late 2017 show it was agreed to pay £50k Since then, the SC leadership has held the money back, and have recently suggested £25k now and £25k next year as the 'price' for retaining the 50/50 Is that it? To be fair, 3 of those years after after the original offer, there was no sign of a training ground ever taking shape, or ever even happening. And anyway, it is still a long way from the facilities being ready for the items the SC was going to purchase with the £50k.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2021 21:33:10 GMT
So, according to the club, the SC minutes from late 2017 show it was agreed to pay £50k Since then, the SC leadership has held the money back, and have recently suggested £25k now and £25k next year as the 'price' for retaining the 50/50 Is that it? To be fair, 3 of those years after after the original offer, there was no sign of a training ground ever taking shape, or ever even happening. And anyway, it is still a long way from the facilities being ready for the items the SC was going to purchase with the £50k. Ta - I'd missed that it was earmarked
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Post by The Concept on Aug 23, 2021 21:38:20 GMT
To be fair, 3 of those years after after the original offer, there was no sign of a training ground ever taking shape, or ever even happening. And anyway, it is still a long way from the facilities being ready for the items the SC was going to purchase with the £50k. Ta - I'd missed that it was earmarked Well, according to the SC statement of 16/08/2021 that I posted before, and Swiss has mentioned it as well: bristolroverssc.co.uk/supporters-club-statement-on-50-50/With this money the Committee had intended to purchase spectator facilities and dugouts on a No.1 pitch, played on exclusively by the U-18’s and Development teams, for supporters who attend these matches. The equipment was to remain the property of the Supporters Club so that it could be transferred to another pitch if necessary.
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