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Post by Dr John Dee on Aug 23, 2021 9:29:21 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean here. Public Statements by the FC or SC are all very unedifying ultimately. If you are referring to football matters, then honestly I like to take these things with considerable more perspective these days. Players. managers and coaching staff come and go and we don't seem to be any further forward without a stadium worth the name to play in. I did watch the Exeter "highlights". The back 3 looked like we have signed the Easter island Statues... Curse you Exeter and your moving off the ball modern wizardry.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2021 10:06:54 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean here. Public Statements by the FC or SC are all very unedifying ultimately. If you are referring to football matters, then honestly I like to take these things with considerable more perspective these days. Players. managers and coaching staff come and go and we don't seem to be any further forward without a stadium worth the name to play in. I did watch the Exeter "highlights". The back 3 looked like we have signed the Easter island Statues... Curse you Exeter and your moving off the ball modern wizardry. You got it, stadium ! Then team performance and anything positive that could have been communicated. I didn’t mean the manager but progress, if any, on stadium
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 10:14:52 GMT
Okay 🙂. you can believe every word he says if you like. Of course you are allowed to find him refreshing and honest in the world of football ownership. what about the “all he delivers is naff decisions and a dysfunctional football club” bit? The decision-making I find very mixed - appointing BG good, trying to sort the SC good, training ground good, appointing Gorringe and Starnes good, letting Hamer go good, appointing Joeybag terrible, firing Tis bad, saying new stadium in 2 years silly, etc etcDysfunctional club - yes, but that's not new/all down to him, nor is it unusual. Can u imagine trying to sort it all out? This forum is all over the shop, and to that extent representative of the wider club That's about how I see it, with my particular jury still being out on JB. (can see reasons for appointing him, but also many more why not to). Also thought Tis would have taken us down
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Post by trunky on Aug 23, 2021 10:15:26 GMT
If things on here are to be believed, it seems that the SC leadership and the PC leadership have never liked the AQ regime (and they were at one point in cahoots with Landing Lights Hamer to have the club sold on) The apparent extent of the dislike I find very surprising. It seems enormously more than is necessary or reasonable as a reaction to losing what they might have perceived as personal influence at the club I don't like Wael's appointment of Joeybag at all, but otherwise he seems a very likable and committed bloke Is there any more to it, or am I (or maybe are we) missing anything?
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Post by trunky on Aug 23, 2021 10:17:11 GMT
Could be the fact that he is a economical with the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 10:18:34 GMT
For more than 50 years, Bristol Rovers was being run on a day to day basis by volunteers from the supporters club, from the programmes to the shop and away travel and whatever hospitality was on offer. You can look a this as part of the charm of the club. However in any dealings I have had with either the football club or the supporters club it came across as dealing with something between a 1970s trade union and the village hall social club committee. Without a pot to piss in and being run by well meaning but ultimately cash challenged local businessmen, you can see how this has happened. The charming stories about Ron Craig's wife making the sandwiches for the directors at Twerton are part of the fabric of the club, but that was out of necessity not choice and are part of our history and not our future. The "problem" with that attitude is that it's not very professional and can piss off people with real money or proper business people like investors and sponsors. You can see how using volunteers with no accountability might not present the best service to fee paying customers. My guess is that this is what Wael and Tom Gorringe see. Hence the schism with the Supporters club. Change is never well met by those who need to change. I guess it's not open for debate that the supporters club and presidents club as stakeholders have not got on the change train for the journey to a more professional business, I don't know how much their buy in was sought, but probably not enough if they are now outside the train throwing rotten fruit. The good burghers of the Supporters Club must surely see some of that. In the last century they were the volunteer support arm of the football club. They can't really do that any more. They need to do something else. Even though I agree, don’t you think there are more things that need more urgent attention other than making a spat with the FC very public ?Who made it public KP ?
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2021 10:21:02 GMT
Could be the fact that he is a economical with the truth. got any examples trunky please (excluding the stadium nonsense cited above)?
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Post by trunky on Aug 23, 2021 11:18:06 GMT
Could be the fact that he is a economical with the truth. got any examples trunky please (excluding the stadium nonsense cited above)?
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Post by trunky on Aug 23, 2021 11:18:20 GMT
got any examples trunky please (excluding the stadium nonsense cited above)?
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Post by trunky on Aug 23, 2021 11:18:35 GMT
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Post by trunky on Aug 23, 2021 11:19:46 GMT
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Post by The Concept on Aug 23, 2021 11:22:42 GMT
Some great examples there.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 23, 2021 11:35:25 GMT
Some great examples there. You saw them for what they were. eh?😉 UTG!
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Post by alftupper on Aug 23, 2021 11:43:29 GMT
Some great examples there. Somewhat trunkyated.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2021 11:45:20 GMT
Some great examples there. Somewhat trunkyated. and clever
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:00:40 GMT
Absolute nonsense. How can you possibly say/think that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:20:18 GMT
The decision-making I find very mixed - appointing BG good, trying to sort the SC good, training ground good, appointing Gorringe and Starnes good, letting Hamer go good, appointing Joeybag terrible, firing Tis bad, saying new stadium in 2 years silly, etc etcDysfunctional club - yes, but that's not new/all down to him, nor is it unusual. Can u imagine trying to sort it all out? This forum is all over the shop, and to that extent representative of the wider club That's about how I see it, with my particular jury still being out on JB. (can see reasons for appointing him, but also many more why not to). Also thought Tis would have taken us down What we do know now though is if Tisdale had remained then his record would have been no worse that Bartons. I mean, you can't get any worse than bottom of the league. I stand by my previous view that Tis was the wrong man for Rovers and Widdrington should have been appointed until the end of last season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:21:28 GMT
Sounds nothing more than hollow rhetoric to me.
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Post by The Concept on Aug 23, 2021 15:55:40 GMT
For more than 50 years, Bristol Rovers was being run on a day to day basis by volunteers from the supporters club, from the programmes to the shop and away travel and whatever hospitality was on offer. You can look a this as part of the charm of the club. However in any dealings I have had with either the football club or the supporters club it came across as dealing with something between a 1970s trade union and the village hall social club committee. Without a pot to piss in and being run by well meaning but ultimately cash challenged local businessmen, you can see how this has happened. The charming stories about Ron Craig's wife making the sandwiches for the directors at Twerton are part of the fabric of the club, but that was out of necessity not choice and are part of our history and not our future. The "problem" with that attitude is that it's not very professional and can piss off people with real money or proper business people like investors and sponsors. You can see how using volunteers with no accountability might not present the best service to fee paying customers. My guess is that this is what Wael and Tom Gorringe see. Hence the schism with the Supporters club. Change is never well met by those who need to change. I guess it's not open for debate that the supporters club and presidents club as stakeholders have not got on the change train for the journey to a more professional business, I don't know how much their buy in was sought, but probably not enough if they are now outside the train throwing rotten fruit. The good burghers of the Supporters Club must surely see some of that. In the last century they were the volunteer support arm of the football club. They can't really do that any more. They need to do something else. It's a good assessment and explanation of where we were and where we are now. I think I'm right in saying that the Club Shop went in-house, back to the SC, and then back in-house again over time. Certainly back in the 70s, and the '268' days, the club didn't consider a shop or any merchandising, and then you had Doug Hillard's just round the corner on Stapleton Road as well. And the last bringing in-house of the club shop would have been under a previous regime. So that just leaves: 50/50 Draw.- Just the nature of it, a raffle, does seem to me to be a voluntary organisation activity. - It does interest me though just what the FC could do to make it better or more profitable... perhaps they'll make it the 75/25 draw. Away Travel.- This might be next on the agenda. But again I don't know what FC could do to make it profitable, as there are currently many volunteers involved to make it happen. - Perhaps they would just want to make it more official, coming under the FC banner. Maybe they'd outsource it. However, my working life experiences of outsourcing have all resulted in poorer service, or reduced quality, and the most recent example at the FC (Ticketmaster) hasn't got off to the best start. So the question is: in-house or out-house? I've just realised why 'In-house' might be better ... doesn't 'Out-house' mean sh*tter?
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 23, 2021 16:27:39 GMT
is this for the book launch of ‘The Intelligent Thoughts of Ken Masters’?
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