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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 12:49:42 GMT
What could a bunch of white, bitter, cynical, wizened old farts, who no longer have a shred of influence or importance, possibly have against a young, educated, Jordanian called Wael Al-Qadi? What difference does their skin colour make? BTW, I agree with the rest of your assessment. Not related to your post, but this can all be traced back to 2006 when almost all of the people with actual ability abandoned the SC. I couldn't and wouldn't work with Masters and don't blame Wael for 1 second for wanting nothing to do with the bloke. Putting on one side what PHE has written above, does anybody remember that dreadful interview he did with Hamer and a supporter, it was unwatchable, in my experience that's what the bloke is actually like to deal with.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 21, 2021 12:54:32 GMT
Thank goodness for your posts KP, chucking a bucket of cold over all these other posters, I thought everyone had lost their minds. In politics, what Wael is doing here is called chucking in a dead ferret. the day Wael took over was bad news. The day he moves on we let off flares to celebrate - if there is a club left. A nice bloke he may be but, as an owner, his decisions have been diabolically bad, one after the other. I hate hearing fans argue on match days and I hate the ill feeling around the club. As Wael says, it’s my club and so I have to conclude the buck stops with him. That some are revelling in this is beyond me. Seems not just our owner holds a grudge. There should be a dignified way to sort this rather than how it’s being played our now. This really is awful, for all true Rovers fans. Yes it really is that very very very very very simple, why don’t people get it? We can’t believe a single word he says now because all he delivers is naff decisions and a dysfunctional football club.
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 21, 2021 12:57:14 GMT
Thank goodness for your posts KP, chucking a bucket of cold over all these other posters, I thought everyone had lost their minds. In politics, what Wael is doing here is called chucking in a dead ferret. the day Wael took over was bad news. The day he moves on we let off flares to celebrate - if there is a club left. A nice bloke he may be but, as an owner, his decisions have been diabolically bad, one after the other. I hate hearing fans argue on match days and I hate the ill feeling around the club. As Wael says, it’s my club and so I have to conclude the buck stops with him. That some are revelling in this is beyond me. Seems not just our owner holds a grudge. There should be a dignified way to sort this rather than how it’s being played our now. This really is awful, for all true Rovers fans. well we all see things different, IMO ..JC has been in his position for far too long and unchallenged, wether that be by default or "other ways" i am not sure/don't know, It can be seen as he may be the one dragging his feet and all his followers supporting him like the pied piper or just being bloody minded and not wanting to hand over the sweet money to his head teacher..... pretty sure that those foot soldiers in and around the stadium on matchdays would be more than happy to carry on as before without this crap going on, and in the near future IMO that is exactly what will happen, for the club ,and not one man who it seems will be on the end of a losing battle
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 20:23:36 GMT
What could a bunch of white, bitter, cynical, wizened old farts, who no longer have a shred of influence or importance, possibly have against a young, educated, Jordanian called Wael Al-Qadi? What difference does their skin colour make? BTW, I agree with the rest of your assessment. Not related to your post, but this can all be traced back to 2006 when almost all of the people with actual ability abandoned the SC. I couldn't and wouldn't work with Masters and don't blame Wael for 1 second for wanting nothing to do with the bloke. Putting on one side what PHE has written above, does anybody remember that dreadful interview he did with Hamer and a supporter, it was unwatchable, in my experience that's what the bloke is actually like to deal with. I didn't mention Wael's skin colour. Oh...you didn't mean that.
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 22, 2021 7:38:47 GMT
A nice bloke he may be but, as an owner, his decisions have been diabolically bad, one after the other. I hate hearing fans argue on match days and I hate the ill feeling around the club. As Wael says, it’s my club and so I have to conclude the buck stops with him. That some are revelling in this is beyond me. Seems not just our owner holds a grudge. There should be a dignified way to sort this rather than how it’s being played our now. This really is awful, for all true Rovers fans. Yes it really is that very very very very very simple, why don’t people get it? We can’t believe a single word he says now because all he delivers is naff decisions and a dysfunctional football club. Sadly that's true, you sense Hani bombed him out of the family banking business and he's now causing havoc at Rovers. The club is in total chaos but certain fans think he's doing a great job.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 22, 2021 8:22:41 GMT
A nice bloke he may be but, as an owner, his decisions have been diabolically bad, one after the other. I hate hearing fans argue on match days and I hate the ill feeling around the club. As Wael says, it’s my club and so I have to conclude the buck stops with him. That some are revelling in this is beyond me. Seems not just our owner holds a grudge. There should be a dignified way to sort this rather than how it’s being played our now. This really is awful, for all true Rovers fans. Yes it really is that very very very very very simple, why don’t people get it? We can’t believe a single word he says now because all he delivers is naff decisions and a dysfunctional football club. don't agree on 'believe' bit - I find him refreshingly honest
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 22, 2021 8:43:05 GMT
So you thought he was being honest when he claimed the new stadium would be built in 2 years, or that we'd somehow beat at least 20 of the other clubs in L2 to get promoted this season?
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 22, 2021 8:54:25 GMT
So you thought he was being honest when he claimed the new stadium would be built in 2 years, or that we'd somehow beat at least 20 of the other clubs in L2 to get promoted this season? hmm....fair point. I didn't think so at the time, and it looks no better with hindsight it looks now like he was having a bit of a panic, and desperate to keep the club/get on the Frooty bandwagon. He achieved the first bit
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 22, 2021 9:02:40 GMT
So you thought he was being honest when he claimed the new stadium would be built in 2 years, or that we'd somehow beat at least 20 of the other clubs in L2 to get promoted this season? Not forgetting Higgs' watertight case against Sainsbury,many on here believed that little one,and so did he 🤔 ( and several thought otherwise)
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Post by trymer on Aug 22, 2021 18:48:14 GMT
What could a bunch of white, bitter, cynical, wizened old farts, who no longer have a shred of influence or importance, possibly have against a young, educated, Jordanian called Wael Al-Qadi? Young?...the bloke is in his 50s ! I know that he acts like a 12 year old with his pictures of him and famous people and his replica training kit but he isnt young,seems like a Michael Jackson type character.
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Post by trymer on Aug 22, 2021 18:49:34 GMT
What difference does their skin colour make? BTW, I agree with the rest of your assessment. Not related to your post, but this can all be traced back to 2006 when almost all of the people with actual ability abandoned the SC. I couldn't and wouldn't work with Masters and don't blame Wael for 1 second for wanting nothing to do with the bloke. Putting on one side what PHE has written above, does anybody remember that dreadful interview he did with Hamer and a supporter, it was unwatchable, in my experience that's what the bloke is actually like to deal with. I didn't mention Wael's skin colour. Oh...you didn't mean that. Yes,you didnt mention his skin colour why was that ? you mentioned theirs.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 22, 2021 19:03:36 GMT
Yes it really is that very very very very very simple, why don’t people get it? We can’t believe a single word he says now because all he delivers is naff decisions and a dysfunctional football club. don't agree on 'believe' bit - I find him refreshingly honest Okay 🙂. you can believe every word he says if you like. Of course you are allowed to find him refreshing and honest in the world of football ownership. what about the “all he delivers is naff decisions and a dysfunctional football club” bit?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 22, 2021 19:08:31 GMT
I didn't mention Wael's skin colour. Oh...you didn't mean that. Yes,you didnt mention his skin colour why was that ? you mentioned theirs. steady guys. Not being convinced by communique from owners, frustration with club ownership not entirely a Rovers thing. Is it? Fans starting with A for Arsenal through L for Liverpool, M for Man U. Just about every club to be honest, fans right to put pressure on for club improvements to more of on field challenge from team. and I doubt any of them have just gone through the 40 defeats from last 65 games and hired someone with psychological profile of Charles Manson as manager, as we suffer. And at least 90% of those owners are white skinned. And speak English as native tongue - even some of the yankees.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 22, 2021 19:16:13 GMT
don't agree on 'believe' bit - I find him refreshingly honest Okay 🙂. you can believe every word he says if you like. Of course you are allowed to find him refreshing and honest in the world of football ownership. what about the “all he delivers is naff decisions and a dysfunctional football club” bit? The decision-making I find very mixed - appointing BG good, trying to sort the SC good, training ground good, appointing Gorringe and Starnes good, letting Hamer go good, appointing Joeybag terrible, firing Tis bad, saying new stadium in 2 years silly, etc etc Dysfunctional club - yes, but that's not new/all down to him, nor is it unusual. Can u imagine trying to sort it all out? This forum is all over the shop, and to that extent representative of the wider club
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 22, 2021 19:17:45 GMT
Okay 🙂. you can believe every word he says if you like. Of course you are allowed to find him refreshing and honest in the world of football ownership. what about the “all he delivers is naff decisions and a dysfunctional football club” bit? The decision-making I find very mixed - appointing BG good, trying to sort the SC good, training ground good, appointing Gorringe and Starnes good, letting Hamer go good, appointing Joeybag terrible, firing Tis bad, saying new stadium in 2 years silly, etc etc Dysfunctional club - yes, but that's not new/all down to him, nor is it unusual. Can u imagine trying to sort it all out? This forum is all over the shop, and to that extent representative of the wider club . PS. I think Wael too sophisticated to write something like 'you can believe every word he says if you like'
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Post by Dr John Dee on Aug 23, 2021 7:14:10 GMT
For more than 50 years, Bristol Rovers was being run on a day to day basis by volunteers from the supporters club, from the programmes to the shop and away travel and whatever hospitality was on offer.
You can look a this as part of the charm of the club. However in any dealings I have had with either the football club or the supporters club it came across as dealing with something between a 1970s trade union and the village hall social club committee.
Without a pot to piss in and being run by well meaning but ultimately cash challenged local businessmen, you can see how this has happened. The charming stories about Ron Craig's wife making the sandwiches for the directors at Twerton are part of the fabric of the club, but that was out of necessity not choice and are part of our history and not our future.
The "problem" with that attitude is that it's not very professional and can piss off people with real money or proper business people like investors and sponsors. You can see how using volunteers with no accountability might not present the best service to fee paying customers. My guess is that this is what Wael and Tom Gorringe see. Hence the schism with the Supporters club.
Change is never well met by those who need to change. I guess it's not open for debate that the supporters club and presidents club as stakeholders have not got on the change train for the journey to a more professional business, I don't know how much their buy in was sought, but probably not enough if they are now outside the train throwing rotten fruit.
The good burghers of the Supporters Club must surely see some of that. In the last century they were the volunteer support arm of the football club. They can't really do that any more. They need to do something else.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2021 7:55:56 GMT
For more than 50 years, Bristol Rovers was being run on a day to day basis by volunteers from the football club, from the programmes to the shop and away travel and whatever hospitality was on offer. You can look a this as part of the charm of the club. However in any dealings I have had with either the football club or the supporters club it came across as dealing with something between a 1970s trade union and the village hall social club committee. Without a pot to piss in and being run by well meaning but ultimately cash challenged local businessmen, you can see how this has happened. The charming stories about Ron Craig's wife making the sandwiches for the directors at Twerton are part of the fabric of the club, but that was out of necessity not choice and are part of our history and not our future. The "problem" with that attitude is that it's not very professional and can piss off people with real money or proper business people like investors and sponsors. You can see how using volunteers with no accountability might not present the best service to fee paying customers. My guess is that this is what Wael and Tom Gorringe see. Hence the schism with the Supporters club. Change is never well met by those who need to change. I guess it's not open for debate that the supporters club and presidents club as stakeholders have not got on the change train for the journey to a more professional business, I don't know how much their buy in was sought, but probably not enough if they are now outside the train throwing rotten fruit. The good burghers of the Supporters Club must surely see some of that. In the last century they were the volunteer support arm of the football club. They can't really do that any more. They need to do something else. ooh, that's very good
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 8:41:54 GMT
For more than 50 years, Bristol Rovers was being run on a day to day basis by volunteers from the football club, from the programmes to the shop and away travel and whatever hospitality was on offer. You can look a this as part of the charm of the club. However in any dealings I have had with either the football club or the supporters club it came across as dealing with something between a 1970s trade union and the village hall social club committee. Without a pot to piss in and being run by well meaning but ultimately cash challenged local businessmen, you can see how this has happened. The charming stories about Ron Craig's wife making the sandwiches for the directors at Twerton are part of the fabric of the club, but that was out of necessity not choice and are part of our history and not our future. The "problem" with that attitude is that it's not very professional and can piss off people with real money or proper business people like investors and sponsors. You can see how using volunteers with no accountability might not present the best service to fee paying customers. My guess is that this is what Wael and Tom Gorringe see. Hence the schism with the Supporters club. Change is never well met by those who need to change. I guess it's not open for debate that the supporters club and presidents club as stakeholders have not got on the change train for the journey to a more professional business, I don't know how much their buy in was sought, but probably not enough if they are now outside the train throwing rotten fruit. The good burghers of the Supporters Club must surely see some of that. In the last century they were the volunteer support arm of the football club. They can't really do that any more. They need to do something else. ooh, that's very good In fact it's spot on.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2021 9:20:23 GMT
For more than 50 years, Bristol Rovers was being run on a day to day basis by volunteers from the supporters club, from the programmes to the shop and away travel and whatever hospitality was on offer. You can look a this as part of the charm of the club. However in any dealings I have had with either the football club or the supporters club it came across as dealing with something between a 1970s trade union and the village hall social club committee. Without a pot to piss in and being run by well meaning but ultimately cash challenged local businessmen, you can see how this has happened. The charming stories about Ron Craig's wife making the sandwiches for the directors at Twerton are part of the fabric of the club, but that was out of necessity not choice and are part of our history and not our future. The "problem" with that attitude is that it's not very professional and can piss off people with real money or proper business people like investors and sponsors. You can see how using volunteers with no accountability might not present the best service to fee paying customers. My guess is that this is what Wael and Tom Gorringe see. Hence the schism with the Supporters club. Change is never well met by those who need to change. I guess it's not open for debate that the supporters club and presidents club as stakeholders have not got on the change train for the journey to a more professional business, I don't know how much their buy in was sought, but probably not enough if they are now outside the train throwing rotten fruit. The good burghers of the Supporters Club must surely see some of that. In the last century they were the volunteer support arm of the football club. They can't really do that any more. They need to do something else. Even though I agree, don’t you think there are more things that need more urgent attention other than making a spat with the FC very public ?
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2021 9:26:11 GMT
For more than 50 years, Bristol Rovers was being run on a day to day basis by volunteers from the supporters club, from the programmes to the shop and away travel and whatever hospitality was on offer. You can look a this as part of the charm of the club. However in any dealings I have had with either the football club or the supporters club it came across as dealing with something between a 1970s trade union and the village hall social club committee. Without a pot to piss in and being run by well meaning but ultimately cash challenged local businessmen, you can see how this has happened. The charming stories about Ron Craig's wife making the sandwiches for the directors at Twerton are part of the fabric of the club, but that was out of necessity not choice and are part of our history and not our future. The "problem" with that attitude is that it's not very professional and can piss off people with real money or proper business people like investors and sponsors. You can see how using volunteers with no accountability might not present the best service to fee paying customers. My guess is that this is what Wael and Tom Gorringe see. Hence the schism with the Supporters club. Change is never well met by those who need to change. I guess it's not open for debate that the supporters club and presidents club as stakeholders have not got on the change train for the journey to a more professional business, I don't know how much their buy in was sought, but probably not enough if they are now outside the train throwing rotten fruit. The good burghers of the Supporters Club must surely see some of that. In the last century they were the volunteer support arm of the football club. They can't really do that any more. They need to do something else. Even though I agree, don’t you think there are more things that need more urgent attention other than making a spat with the FC very public ? based on what I've read on here I think it's at the stage where it's a strategic issue kP, so it needs to be dealt with
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