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Post by crater on Jun 12, 2021 19:05:35 GMT
The top 10 rankings from FIFA are: Belgium, France, England, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Germany, Swiss & Croatia. Belgium look like favourites with a formidable squad inc: De Bruyne, Hazard, Lukaku, Tielemans, Mertens & Courtois. I am rating England as the dark horses (let's hope we are still in it after 2 games). Would not like to be in the group of death F, Germany, Portugal, France & Hungary. I don’t know how they put together those rankings and how Belgium would be first. When did they last make it to even a semi final in any international competition ? It looks very far from reality & I’d like to know the parameters which they use, to come to this conclusion. Last world cup, lost to France and beat England in the 3rd/4th place match
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2021 19:41:32 GMT
I don’t know how they put together those rankings and how Belgium would be first. When did they last make it to even a semi final in any international competition ? It looks very far from reality & I’d like to know the parameters which they use, to come to this conclusion. Last world cup, lost to France and beat England in the 3rd/4th place match Do you know how they place the teams in this order please ?
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Post by axegas on Jun 12, 2021 20:29:14 GMT
Last world cup, lost to France and beat England in the 3rd/4th place match Do you know how they place the teams in this order please ? It’s all done off a complex algorithm, where the scaling importance of the match is multiplied by the outcome. I think all teams get 1 point for a win, 0.5 points for a draw and 0 points for a loss. This point will be times be 60 if won beyond the QF stages of a World Cup or times by 5 if a friendly won at a non peak time for example. Belgium currently rank top in this system, just above France. This has largely been impacted by their qualifying dominance, quarterfinals placing at the last Euros and 3rd place finish at the World Cup. There’s more on it here if you are interested: www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/procedure/men
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2021 23:34:36 GMT
Do you know how they place the teams in this order please ? It’s all done off a complex algorithm, where the scaling importance of the match is multiplied by the outcome. I think all teams get 1 point for a win, 0.5 points for a draw and 0 points for a loss. This point will be times be 60 if won beyond the QF stages of a World Cup or times by 5 if a friendly won at a non peak time for example. Belgium currently rank top in this system, just above France. This has largely been impacted by their qualifying dominance, quarterfinals placing at the last Euros and 3rd place finish at the World Cup. There’s more on it here if you are interested: www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/procedure/menThank you very much. I know Poland placed well in the euro qualifying games and got to the semi final of the last one plus they win their group in the last World Cup qualifying games. I will have a look and see where they are placed even though I have no hope of them getting to the second stage in this tournament. They are a team that has been together close to 10 years and rely, heavily, on Lewandowski but they seem to play better, as a team, when he is subbed off. They rely on possession football but don’t do much with that possession
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Post by The Concept on Jun 13, 2021 8:58:29 GMT
I would say rather than being the incident that triggered it, it was the final straw of many years of incidents. You just have to look at what's been happening recently, with racist comments to players on social media, like Marcus Rashford, and closer to home Mark Little, to see it is still very much relevant right now. If you're starting to get fed up with a show of solidarity for just 5 seconds of time, I find that rather sad KP. Please tell me what it is actually doing, other than virtue signalling ? - I've no idea what it has done. What I hope it is doing is sparking debate, which in turn leads to awareness, understanding and eventually a fairer society.If UEFA said we are all going to do this then I’d understand it more but I just see it as yet another thing that actually achieves nothing. - I would say it's far more important that the players say they want to do it, than UEFA saying we are all going to do it.I could tell you about the racism I had and as a white man but I don’t let it define me nor my life. - That is sad to hear you have had to experience racism, but good that you have a way of coping with it.We have the kick it out campaign and now respect campaign. - Yes, excellent campaigns, but racism is still prevalent and now (for the time being at least) we have a player led campaign of taking the knee.If the authorities and stewards policed the rules of this properly then many more would learn that there can be absolutely no racist chants nor even discussion, even if in hushed tones. We really should be kicking it out and anyone that is heard talking in that manner. - Agreed. It is difficult to police and steward though. Some years back I reported something to the club (not racist related) and they replied to say they'd monitor the situation, but clearly they didn't as the situation continued. It's also down to us as fans to help police against racism and report it. Twice I've approached supporters when they've made racist comments or remarks: once back in the early 90s and again a couple of years back. And I've seen others stand up against it too. But I can understand people may reluctant to say anything through fear of a mouthful of abuse back.I can’t do anything that you find my view sad but , as I have said, please tell me what taking the knee has actually achieved ? - It needn't bother you I found it sad; it's only natural for someone to be disappointed or sad that someone says something when you thought they'd have a different view. I would say we come from a pretty similar political viewpoint, and was surprised to see your post. - Point 2: PSA reply to your first question. The gesture comes out of a book which later got made into the TV programme, game of thrones. - It doesn't matter who or what may do a similar looking gesture - it's the meaning that counts. - The Game of Thrones may have 'bending the knee', which is just a sign of submission to a King or Queen, or someone of higher rank, and evokes life going back in time, but is totally unrelated. - Taking the knee in sport goes back to the NFL in 2016, and in Civil Rights in general was used in the 60s by Martin Luther King. And no one can deny the events last summer, with what happened to George Floyd, make it even more poignant. The only thing it’s achieved, to date, is to have large groups of fans boo. If booing is seen as a success then they have at least achieved that - Okay then, let's just give in, let's let the boo-boys win. - As football fans we know that a stadium makes booing sound far worse than it is. We've all been there when a handful of people booing has seemed like a far greater number. But whether a large group or a handful, it isn't good. One thing I've not seen mentioned though is that others started clapping, in a reaction to the booing, in support of the players - it seems to have been glossed over.Hi KP - My view is that if the players want to continue taking the knee then I'm in support of it. Rather than the continued gesture itself being carried out, what I'm fed up with is that racism still goes on.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 13, 2021 13:48:11 GMT
Please tell me what it is actually doing, other than virtue signalling ? - I've no idea what it has done. What I hope it is doing is sparking debate, which in turn leads to awareness, understanding and eventually a fairer society.If UEFA said we are all going to do this then I’d understand it more but I just see it as yet another thing that actually achieves nothing. - I would say it's far more important that the players say they want to do it, than UEFA saying we are all going to do it.I could tell you about the racism I had and as a white man but I don’t let it define me nor my life. - That is sad to hear you have had to experience racism, but good that you have a way of coping with it.We have the kick it out campaign and now respect campaign. - Yes, excellent campaigns, but racism is still prevalent and now (for the time being at least) we have a player led campaign of taking the knee.If the authorities and stewards policed the rules of this properly then many more would learn that there can be absolutely no racist chants nor even discussion, even if in hushed tones. We really should be kicking it out and anyone that is heard talking in that manner. - Agreed. It is difficult to police and steward though. Some years back I reported something to the club (not racist related) and they replied to say they'd monitor the situation, but clearly they didn't as the situation continued. It's also down to us as fans to help police against racism and report it. Twice I've approached supporters when they've made racist comments or remarks: once back in the early 90s and again a couple of years back. And I've seen others stand up against it too. But I can understand people may reluctant to say anything through fear of a mouthful of abuse back.I can’t do anything that you find my view sad but , as I have said, please tell me what taking the knee has actually achieved ? - It needn't bother you I found it sad; it's only natural for someone to be disappointed or sad that someone says something when you thought they'd have a different view. I would say we come from a pretty similar political viewpoint, and was surprised to see your post. - Point 2: PSA reply to your first question. The gesture comes out of a book which later got made into the TV programme, game of thrones. - It doesn't matter who or what may do a similar looking gesture - it's the meaning that counts. - The Game of Thrones may have 'bending the knee', which is just a sign of submission to a King or Queen, or someone of higher rank, and evokes life going back in time, but is totally unrelated. - Taking the knee in sport goes back to the NFL in 2016, and in Civil Rights in general was used in the 60s by Martin Luther King. And no one can deny the events last summer, with what happened to George Floyd, make it even more poignant. The only thing it’s achieved, to date, is to have large groups of fans boo. If booing is seen as a success then they have at least achieved that - Okay then, let's just give in, let's let the boo-boys win. - As football fans we know that a stadium makes booing sound far worse than it is. We've all been there when a handful of people booing has seemed like a far greater number. But whether a large group or a handful, it isn't good. One thing I've not seen mentioned though is that others started clapping, in a reaction to the booing, in support of the players - it seems to have been glossed over.Hi KP - My view is that if the players want to continue taking the knee then I'm in support of it. Rather than the continued gesture itself being carried out, what I'm fed up with is that racism still goes on. Me too but all I can do is to tell the nearest steward but I have had no support from any of them. I have not even had one tell me that they will put it to the club. Racism is still high in football circles and I can remember the national front always recruiting, back at Eastville. Nothing will happen until the clubs really do enforce the rules. I’m hoping that this will happen, sooner than later. One last point, I find it embarrassing that John Barnes has often said that he has not had a fair chance to manage, due to his colour. The truth is that he has had chances but has been an abject failure. He seems to want to martyr himself and this does no good for the genuine campaigners
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Post by baselswh on Jun 13, 2021 14:59:53 GMT
Decent performance by England.Some good youngsters,shame the x Yate player was'nt at Rovers.
I think it a good tactic when Sterling and Foden came infield as they were not getting much joy outside this in 2nd half.
The Leeds midfielder,Phillip's,excellent!
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Post by crater on Jun 13, 2021 15:13:20 GMT
Decent performance by England.Some good youngsters,shame the x Yate player was'nt at Rovers. I think it a good tactic when Sterling and Foden came infield as they were not getting much joy outside this in 2nd half. The Leeds midfielder,Phillip's,excellent! Agree, good to start with a win and we'll be a team that is feared as we carry a constant goal threat. Didn't look like the Croatia of old though, maybe time has caught up with them.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 13, 2021 15:20:50 GMT
Decent performance by England.Some good youngsters,shame the x Yate player was'nt at Rovers. I think it a good tactic when Sterling and Foden came infield as they were not getting much joy outside this in 2nd half. The Leeds midfielder,Phillip's,excellent! Agree, good to start with a win and we'll be a team that is feared as we carry a constant goal threat. Didn't look like the Croatia of old though, maybe time has caught up with them. one of the papers called them the 'geriatricos'
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jun 14, 2021 14:18:26 GMT
The second goal against the Scots was nearly as Sercs goal at Shrewsbury.
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 14, 2021 22:44:02 GMT
Spain had 85% of the play, 17 shots and drew 0-0 with Sweden.
Games for Tuesday are:
Hungary v Portugal - 5pm
France v Germany - 8pm
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 15, 2021 13:05:53 GMT
My football loving German friends are dreading the game tonight. The only German I've heard say anything positive about the German team is my missus, and she doesn't know anything about football It's a strange one tonight. Nobody wants the French to win, ever, yet you just know that inside you'll have a mighty giggle if they stuff the Boxheads.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 15, 2021 14:44:03 GMT
My football loving German friends are dreading the game tonight. The only German I've heard say anything positive about the German team is my missus, and she doesn't know anything about football It's a strange one tonight. Nobody wants the French to win, ever, yet you just know that inside you'll have a mighty giggle if they stuff the Boxheads. Hopefully France will be a bit arrogant (the French - arrogant?!?) and Germany will put in a workmanlike performance and win. Personally I'd be a bit cross if the French win. I'll be wearing my lucky Union Berlin white away shirt. That should help.
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 15, 2021 15:24:25 GMT
Portugal should beat Hungary and France v Germany will probably be a draw.
The Spain v Sweden game was soooo boring, a million passes mean nothing if you cannot score. Sweden actually had the best chance of all, Berg missing a tap in at the back post.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 16, 2021 17:03:08 GMT
Come on Wales!
HT 0 1 up v Turkey.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 16, 2021 17:53:07 GMT
Come on Wales! HT 0 1 up v Turkey. Wales go 2 0 up! Not long to go now....
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 16, 2021 17:55:36 GMT
Wales reap the benefit of Connor Roberts' 3 months at Rovers!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 18:04:33 GMT
Wales were magnificent (the penalty aside). Good on them.
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 16, 2021 21:15:23 GMT
WgafaW?
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 16, 2021 21:50:35 GMT
Well done to Wales in a very entertaining game v Turkey, they are now 99% in the last 16 barring a large goal difference swing.
Let's hope now that England can join them after 2 games with a victory v Scotland on friday.
Shame the Finland goal was ruled out as it was a great start for them.
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