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Post by mangogas15 on Dec 8, 2019 16:12:24 GMT
Well said KP and Rex. The people you refer to Rex put me in mind of those Lineker referred to some weeks back who stand on the touchline at kids' games ranting and raving at the young players. I assume they think it makes them look like top coaches, when in fact they are the opposite. I watched a u10s boys game yesterday, 1 team had so many chances yet lost 3-1, the other team defended brilliantly and took their chances. Parents on the side dissecting what the team needs to do better, when they lost but didn't really do anything wrong. These 3 dads were negative and making comments after every shot or tackle. You see it everywhere because its transferred from the pro game.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 8, 2019 16:59:47 GMT
Coughlan is doing great. He’s achieving a lot of relatively less resources than other clubs around the top of the table. He’s proved himself and he’s made smart choices in his gameplay this season. He’s got passion, a good coaching team and players playing for their shirt. Some of us Gasheads need to be careful what we’re wishing for. I’m looking forward to seeing what the transfer window brings over Christmas. southends number 7 was brilliant, sign him. Leyton Orient number 10 was brilliant sign him Jordan Maguire-Drew
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Post by Rex on Dec 8, 2019 23:05:57 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that many of our fans don't know s*** from pudding. We have a manager that has made excellent signings, got us to mid table after looking certs for relegation , wins cup games and has got us into a play off position (with a game in hand). Shrewsbury away was apparently one of the most entertaining games in years and we have scored 4 goals in two of our last 3 league games While undoubtedly yesterdays first half was grim, even at 2-0 I thought if we got an early goal we would win, this bunch of players have proved time and again that they will work hard for each other and the manager. As for the OP suggesting GC should take Ogogo with him, words fail me, we will be lucky if we hang on to him! If social media was around in 1990, Gerry Francis, Devon White, Andy Reece, Jock the fing lot of them would have been hounded out of the club by dolts who wouldn't know a good team if it him them in the face like a misplaced Geoff Twentyman clearance. I'm off for a bit to watch the election coverage , where I will hear politicians talking some comparatively good sense! All over Facebook too, these exact words. Almost as if you copied and pasted it.
By the way, it was your round yesterday. We were sat in the back room waiting for beer delivery. Nothing materialised. Tut. No not the exact words but very much the same sentiment and message and I mean every word. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but I'm embarrassed by the fact that our manager knows he isn't popular with a fair few fans, when he has done such a good job for us. I don't agree that he plays 'dull football', I think there are some passages of play when it isn't great, but that's the case with pretty much every team in every game. As much as I liked Darrell Clarke and will always remember the good times, it was absolutely dire come the end, would anyone in their right mind swap where we were and how we were playing a year ago for what we currently have? Our current form may continue, it may not, but GC certainly deserves credit and our support for what he has done so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:13:56 GMT
Lose pretty and risk relegation. Win ugly and risk promotion. Perhaps some synthesis of the two. Entertainment matters though. Placed fifth should mean five-figure attendances.
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 9, 2019 6:57:01 GMT
Not quite as simple as winning ugly. We are watching games where we look like losing from the off, last three home games have been like that but we ended up with scrappy draws in the cup against lower league teams and a win Sat that said more about the opponents than us. There is no expectation going to a game thinking we can win today.
Also we have become one of those teams that chase the referee for cards and decisions. Plus don't get me started on the sniper who kept taking out JCH sat. If an opponent had fallen as much as he did we would be livid.
But we are 5th in the league and in two cups still.
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Post by Rex on Dec 9, 2019 7:37:44 GMT
Not quite as simple as winning ugly. We are watching games where we look like losing from the off, last three home games have been like that but we ended up with scrappy draws in the cup against lower league teams and a win Sat that said more about the opponents than us. There is no expectation going to a game thinking we can win today. Also we have become one of those teams that chase the referee for cards and decisions. Plus don't get me started on the sniper who kept taking out JCH sat. If an opponent had fallen as much as he did we would be livid. But we are 5th in the league and in two cups still. I think that is every football team at every level unfortunately. I would love to see it made a yellow card offence, it would soon stop.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 9, 2019 8:09:13 GMT
Lose pretty and risk relegation. Win ugly and risk promotion. Perhaps some synthesis of the two. Entertainment matters though. Placed fifth should mean five-figure attendances. DC........over his last 20 games..how many times did Rovers achieve a 5 figure gate ?
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 9, 2019 9:16:30 GMT
Why is DC still mentioned?
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 9, 2019 9:23:51 GMT
Yes - a trifle churlish, all things considered. GC seems to be a specialist in the curate's egg situation when it comes to football matches - unbelievably poor and unappetising in parts and yet with the very pleasing flavour of ten goals in the last 3 league matches. Yes, you’ve summed it up nicely. I simply can’t rationalise it. By rights we should be getting our ass kicked, his footballing philosophy makes Big Sam look like Guardiola...and yet we keep winning and scoring goals. It defies convention. The commentator specifically mentioned our shots on goal numbers in the second half yesterday and I can only surmise our success is built on lots of shots of goal and that we must have a higher level of accuracy than average so that even Playing the most basic bitch football imaginable if we can get a shot away we stand a good chance of getting our nose in front at some point. By contrast Southend played well, could have had six in the first half but ended up getting routed by 4 goals in one half. They are like the inverse of us and raise the sobering question of, as bad as our style is would we rather play like Southend and lose or play like us and win? Who would have thought by shooting more, you have more chance of scoring
But obviously we are too defensive/negative/boring for some
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 9, 2019 9:24:47 GMT
Long Live Coughlanball
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 10:14:48 GMT
Yes - a trifle churlish, all things considered. GC seems to be a specialist in the curate's egg situation when it comes to football matches - unbelievably poor and unappetising in parts and yet with the very pleasing flavour of ten goals in the last 3 league matches. Yes, you’ve summed it up nicely. I simply can’t rationalise it. By rights we should be getting our ass kicked, his footballing philosophy makes Big Sam look like Guardiola...and yet we keep winning and scoring goals. It defies convention. The commentator specifically mentioned our shots on goal numbers in the second half yesterday and I can only surmise our success is built on lots of shots of goal and that we must have a higher level of accuracy than average so that even Playing the most basic bitch football imaginable if we can get a shot away we stand a good chance of getting our nose in front at some point. By contrast Southend played well, could have had six in the first half but ended up getting routed by 4 goals in one half. They are like the inverse of us and raise the sobering question of, as bad as our style is would we rather play like Southend and lose or play like us and win? But we didn't really win that game, Southend lost it. They just stopped doing basic stuff at half time. You may have a point relating to what's happened in other games, but not really the second half on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 10:16:14 GMT
Rex, how does the manager know that some fans aren't keen? If he reads this site or social media, then he's a fool.
You're right, we do all have a right to opinions. Mine is that the football is bloody awful and disjointed. The league position is of course, wonderful.
One thing about recruitment. Tommy Widdrington is behind the fluke of Clarke Harris (not his ability, the fact he never demonstrated it elsewhere) and other vital signings (Ogogo for me = player of the season).
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 9, 2019 10:58:39 GMT
Lose pretty and risk relegation. Win ugly and risk promotion. Perhaps some synthesis of the two. Entertainment matters though. Placed fifth should mean five-figure attendances. Aye, there’s the rub. Sadly, the entertainment and atmosphere has been sorely lacking. I’m not a person who knows how to remedy this but, I’ve always said it’s the players who should take responsibility for this. A manager picks the team and makes sure on fitness and other things but, once they are on the pitch, it’s the players who should know how to play and try to do so with an air of strength and even a bit of arrogance doesn’t go amiss. We saw this on Saturday, the players were totally different in the second half. They are the ones who should be producing and not just in one half. I feel some sympathy and empathy for GC as he is becoming more likeable, at least to me. Now it’s time , using an American baseball analogy, that they stood up to the plate UTG
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Post by Rex on Dec 9, 2019 10:59:05 GMT
Rex, how does the manager know that some fans aren't keen? If he reads this site or social media, then he's a fool. You're right, we do all have a right to opinions. Mine is that the football is bloody awful and disjointed. The league position is of course, wonderful. One thing about recruitment. Tommy Widdrington is behind the fluke of Clarke Harris (not his ability, the fact he never demonstrated it elsewhere) and other vital signings (Ogogo for me = player of the season). Well at least we agree about Ogogo, the OP's original comment that he could take Agogo (sic) with him is what inspired my rant! I would think it is rather difficult for any manager to be unaware of what is said about him on social media.
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 9, 2019 11:03:20 GMT
I like the wit a bit more than the sentiment there I think
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 9, 2019 11:04:47 GMT
Why is DC still mentioned? Bit of a daft question but I will answer. He got our team playing, with passion and for the shirt, oversaw our only ever back to back promotions and was a very open and honest manager. If not for him then we would not be in tier 3. You don’t just forget a manager like that but it seems a fair few like to slate him, I’m not saying you are but many others have and are still digging at him when it was obvious he felt badly let down and then lost his mojo due to broken promises
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Post by Rex on Dec 9, 2019 11:04:53 GMT
Yes, you’ve summed it up nicely. I simply can’t rationalise it. By rights we should be getting our ass kicked, his footballing philosophy makes Big Sam look like Guardiola...and yet we keep winning and scoring goals. It defies convention. The commentator specifically mentioned our shots on goal numbers in the second half yesterday and I can only surmise our success is built on lots of shots of goal and that we must have a higher level of accuracy than average so that even Playing the most basic bitch football imaginable if we can get a shot away we stand a good chance of getting our nose in front at some point. By contrast Southend played well, could have had six in the first half but ended up getting routed by 4 goals in one half. They are like the inverse of us and raise the sobering question of, as bad as our style is would we rather play like Southend and lose or play like us and win? But we didn't really win that game, Southend lost it.They just stopped doing basic stuff at half time. You may have a point relating to what's happened in other games, but not really the second half on Saturday. The last time I looked there were three important columns in the table. Won, drawn and lost. If they do add a 'not really won , the other team lost it' I hope they still give three points for it. There are many City fans who still tell me we didn't win the title in 1990 , it was them who lost it. In a similar vein my 'other' team managed to win a trophy yesterday, despite being played off the park by their bitter rivals, I wonder if the engraver was asked to mark the cup '2019 lost by Rangers'
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 9, 2019 11:14:45 GMT
Why is DC still mentioned? Bit of a daft question but I will answer. He got our team playing, with passion and for the shirt, oversaw our only ever back to back promotions and was a very open and honest manager. If not for him then we would not be in tier 3. You don’t just forget a manager like that but it seems a fair few like to slate him, I’m not saying you are but many others have and are still digging at him when it was obvious he felt badly let down and then lost his mojo due to broken promises It was because DC was quoted in a comparison of attendances. I don't know how many 5 figure games we had in his last days but why not ask against all previous managers. As you said he did an amazing job for us and will be remembered for that but it's over a year ago he left so I ask why keep bringing him up in discussions about today.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 9, 2019 11:17:52 GMT
Bit of a daft question but I will answer. He got our team playing, with passion and for the shirt, oversaw our only ever back to back promotions and was a very open and honest manager. If not for him then we would not be in tier 3. You don’t just forget a manager like that but it seems a fair few like to slate him, I’m not saying you are but many others have and are still digging at him when it was obvious he felt badly let down and then lost his mojo due to broken promises It was because DC was quoted in a comparison of attendances. I don't know how many 5 figure games we had in his last days but why not ask against all previous managers. As you said he did an amazing job for us and will be remembered for that but it's over a year ago he left so I ask why keep bringing him up in discussions about today. When he was fired up he got the team playing pressing football at home. Yes, away games were nowhere near that but it was good to watch and we regularly got 8.5K coming and had, if I remember rightly, 7 games over 10k
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 11:30:07 GMT
But we didn't really win that game, Southend lost it.They just stopped doing basic stuff at half time. You may have a point relating to what's happened in other games, but not really the second half on Saturday. The last time I looked there were three important columns in the table. Won, drawn and lost. If they do add a 'not really won , the other team lost it' I hope they still give three points for it. There are many City fans who still tell me we didn't win the title in 1990 , it was them who lost it. In a similar vein my 'other' team managed to win a trophy yesterday, despite being played off the park by their bitter rivals, I wonder if the engraver was asked to mark the cup '2019 lost by Rangers' I'm guessing that you've already worked out, I've no time for Newco, so I think it would be hilarious to scribe on the trophy; Lost by Newco. My MoTM, Morelos, superb performance, still laughing now.
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