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Post by Rex on May 7, 2019 13:59:48 GMT
I really like Lines as a player, he would be my first pick every week, but GC has- undeniably- turned results around. I'm not clever enough to know why, but it really does seem to be that we were a better team (results wise) without Lines.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 14:22:44 GMT
I really like Lines as a player, he would be my first pick every week, but GC has- undeniably- turned results around. I'm not clever enough to know why, but it really does seem to be that we were a better team (results wise) without Lines. Have we got better results without Chris? Since Coughlan has been manager, Chris has started or come on as sub, in 5 league games. 2 wins, 2 draws, 1 defeat. That defeat was against Wycombe, where the entire team looked pissed.
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Post by irishrover on May 7, 2019 19:38:04 GMT
I'm sad to see Lines go - it makes me feel old as it was only yesterday that he was making his name in that cup tie at Craven Cottage. I'm also definitely not sold on GC as a manager - apart from anything else I'm not sure we pass the eye test on his own terms. Despite getting the results (and I appreciate that ultimately that's all that mattered) I don't think we did look very solid at the back. Maybe I just picked some bad games but in the 5/6 I saw under him I thought we were defensively quite shambolic and left huge gaps outwide and in the hole in front of the defence.
However, having said all that, I'm also not surprised Lines has gone anyway. It's a little bit revisionist to say that he was a key player until Coughlin came in and was then marginalised. His role seemed to have been steadily diminishing every year since we came into League 1 which isn't surprising given his age and the type of player he is. It's not like he was having a key role under DC and was then was eased out when he was sacked. It was surely on the cards that he'd move on at this point whatever occurred.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 22:09:04 GMT
It's a style of play that'll keep us in a relegation struggle until we do finally go down. Sides like Accrington and Fleetwood should never be finishing above us in the table. Except fleetwood have 2 proven league one goalscorers who we simply could not afford to sign.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 23:03:01 GMT
It's a style of play that'll keep us in a relegation struggle until we do finally go down. Sides like Accrington and Fleetwood should never be finishing above us in the table. Except fleetwood have 2 proven league one goalscorers who we simply could not afford to sign. You have to wonder why that would be. We have Gorringe, if he's any good at his job, considering the affluence of this City, he should be able to generate considerably more money than, with all due respect, would be possible in Fleetwood. But the main thing, in their 25 home matches during this season, I make it that a grand total of 75,589 punters watched Fleetwood, compared to 205,755 at The Mem. I have no idea what the average supporter pays at each game watching Rovers, but we have 18 boxes, 16 of which are sold, 2 for home and away Directors, then we have the hospitality thing in the big blue stand, then we have bars / food etc from all those extra fans, if we say, including the seats / hospitality / programme profits / food / beer, the club get an average of £20 per-head per-match (I think that's conservative), that means we had £2,600,000 more than Fleetwood before a ball was even kicked. Where is our money going if clubs like Accrington (76,952 attendees) and Fleetwood put out better teams than us and we still post huge losses?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 1:35:21 GMT
Except fleetwood have 2 proven league one goalscorers who we simply could not afford to sign. You have to wonder why that would be. We have Gorringe, if he's any good at his job, considering the affluence of this City, he should be able to generate considerably more money than, with all due respect, would be possible in Fleetwood. But the main thing, in their 25 home matches during this season, I make it that a grand total of 75,589 punters watched Fleetwood, compared to 205,755 at The Mem. I have no idea what the average supporter pays at each game watching Rovers, but we have 18 boxes, 16 of which are sold, 2 for home and away Directors, then we have the hospitality thing in the big blue stand, then we have bars / food etc from all those extra fans, if we say, including the seats / hospitality / programme profits / food / beer, the club get an average of £20 per-head per-match (I think that's conservative), that means we had £2,600,000 more than Fleetwood before a ball was even kicked. Where is our money going if clubs like Accrington (76,952 attendees) and Fleetwood put out better teams than us and we still post huge losses? With accrington you would have to say they are doing most things better than us as well as plymouth,bradford,southend,swindon etc etc. But with fleetwood one man has put lots of money into the project while in fairness also creating a club that makes money 24/7 from their HQ. Is andrew pilley just a cheaper version of steve lansdown?
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Post by Rex on May 8, 2019 5:36:44 GMT
I really like Lines as a player, he would be my first pick every week, but GC has- undeniably- turned results around. I'm not clever enough to know why, but it really does seem to be that we were a better team (results wise) without Lines. Have we got better results without Chris? Since Coughlan has been manager, Chris has started or come on as sub, in 5 league games. 2 wins, 2 draws, 1 defeat. That defeat was against Wycombe, where the entire team looked pissed. I'll admit that I haven't looked into the exact stats, what I based my comment on was that Lines was a regular under DC in a team that looked hopelessly doomed, he hasn't been playing under GC and we finished up 15th.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 9:54:32 GMT
You have to wonder why that would be. We have Gorringe, if he's any good at his job, considering the affluence of this City, he should be able to generate considerably more money than, with all due respect, would be possible in Fleetwood. But the main thing, in their 25 home matches during this season, I make it that a grand total of 75,589 punters watched Fleetwood, compared to 205,755 at The Mem. I have no idea what the average supporter pays at each game watching Rovers, but we have 18 boxes, 16 of which are sold, 2 for home and away Directors, then we have the hospitality thing in the big blue stand, then we have bars / food etc from all those extra fans, if we say, including the seats / hospitality / programme profits / food / beer, the club get an average of £20 per-head per-match (I think that's conservative), that means we had £2,600,000 more than Fleetwood before a ball was even kicked. Where is our money going if clubs like Accrington (76,952 attendees) and Fleetwood put out better teams than us and we still post huge losses? With accrington you would have to say they are doing most things better than us as well as plymouth,bradford,southend,swindon etc etc. But with fleetwood one man has put lots of money into the project while in fairness also creating a club that makes money 24/7 from their HQ. Is andrew pilley just a cheaper version of steve lansdown? Yes, we all know that Fleetwood are a manufactured team, but that's not the point. The question was, with our stadium facilities and £2.6 million quid head start, plus our owners are covering a huge sum every year in losses at the moment, how can Fleetwood out-perform us? Why isn't, to quote Lansdown, our stadium 'Bleeding' for us. Just look at the car park, a huge space, sat there doing nothing 300 days a year. It's ridiculous. This stuff is critical, with SCMP we are restricted to spending no more than 60% of turnover on player wages, yet we aren't making a proper effort to maximise turnover. You couldn't make this nonsense up. Has Gorringe replaced Zebra Finance yet? The club were sat on their hands, so I found a service provider, and suspecting that sycophants monitor this forum and scuttle off to tell on us, put details on here, that was probably 2 weeks ago now, just looked on the official site, no finance option available today. We are run like a car boot sale, and that's not being particularly generous to most car boot sales.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 11:09:05 GMT
With accrington you would have to say they are doing most things better than us as well as plymouth,bradford,southend,swindon etc etc. But with fleetwood one man has put lots of money into the project while in fairness also creating a club that makes money 24/7 from their HQ. Is andrew pilley just a cheaper version of steve lansdown? Yes, we all know that Fleetwood are a manufactured team, but that's not the point. The question was, with our stadium facilities and £2.6 million quid head start, plus our owners are covering a huge sum every year in losses at the moment, how can Fleetwood out-perform us? Why isn't, to quote Lansdown, our stadium 'Bleeding' for us. Just look at the car park, a huge space, sat there doing nothing 300 days a year. It's ridiculous. This stuff is critical, with SCMP we are restricted to spending no more than 60% of turnover on player wages, yet we aren't making a proper effort to maximise turnover. You couldn't make this nonsense up. Has Gorringe replaced Zebra Finance yet? The club were sat on their hands, so I found a service provider, and suspecting that sycophants monitor this forum and scuttle off to tell on us, put details on here, that was probably 2 weeks ago now, just looked on the official site, no finance option available today. We are run like a car boot sale, and that's not being particularly generous to most car boot sales. the car park is a good shout, a park and ride for commuters would be a shout
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 11:39:40 GMT
Yes, we all know that Fleetwood are a manufactured team, but that's not the point. The question was, with our stadium facilities and £2.6 million quid head start, plus our owners are covering a huge sum every year in losses at the moment, how can Fleetwood out-perform us? Why isn't, to quote Lansdown, our stadium 'Bleeding' for us. Just look at the car park, a huge space, sat there doing nothing 300 days a year. It's ridiculous. This stuff is critical, with SCMP we are restricted to spending no more than 60% of turnover on player wages, yet we aren't making a proper effort to maximise turnover. You couldn't make this nonsense up. Has Gorringe replaced Zebra Finance yet? The club were sat on their hands, so I found a service provider, and suspecting that sycophants monitor this forum and scuttle off to tell on us, put details on here, that was probably 2 weeks ago now, just looked on the official site, no finance option available today. We are run like a car boot sale, and that's not being particularly generous to most car boot sales. the car park is a good shout, a park and ride for commuters would be a shout Yes, or something similar, parking around there is a nightmare during work hours, secure parking non-existent. It's frustrating isn't it when we can see this stuff from here but 'professionals' in the club are messing around wasting money on cheap season card readers that keep breaking and which aren't, as far as I'm aware, even connected to a database What would put the cherry on top of a not particularly appetising cake would be, rather than look at the available resources in terms of staff and assess all of the skills available and work out how they can be utilised, if we were to see a round of redundancies or cut backs.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on May 8, 2019 14:31:33 GMT
Similar to when Dave Penney took over, Lines got his way with Penney and we went down. Thank feck he didn't this time. UTG
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 14:57:59 GMT
So now its Lines who got Penny the sack,thought Campbell was the ring leader,strange how things change over the years,yet not a mention of the players who got Martyn Dobson the sack some years earlier,is that because they had been successful whereas the later ones were not? Ithink you will find that certain players were made promises under Buckle and when Penny arrived he told them that wasn't going to happen and if they didn't toe the line they wouldn't play for him or the club again,motivational attitude so when he decided to select them they literally said up yours,it was a group decision and wasn't handled well by any of the parties including the chairman.It could easily have been sorted with a bit of leadership in the end it came down to an immovable force against another similar and something had to give so Penny had to go.In a way he was the architect of his own downfall and paid the price
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 15:40:25 GMT
Lord help us, the Man joined us in the 5th tier, playing against part time garbage when he could have walked straight in to pretty much any L1 squad, helped us to 2 promotions and all some people want to talk about is something that may have happened over a decade ago.
Chris Lines, played his part getting us back into the League, what else is there to discuss? Top bloke.
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Post by dido on May 8, 2019 17:43:29 GMT
People who extol CL's joining us in level 5 never mention that it suited HIM. "Pretty much any L1 squad" wasn't in Bristol!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:53:11 GMT
You can't win on this forum.
When you point out that Taylor's behaviour was 'sub-optimal' or that Michael Smith should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask whether he's totally comfortable with running away and leaving other people to clear up the mess he helped create, you get told that players need to earn money and play at the highest possible level and, people who seem to know me better than I know myself, tell me that I would change employer for more money.
However, when you point out that Chris joined a club that was far from guaranteed to get back into the FL and I doubt very much that Rovers were the highest possible paying offer he could have got, then instantly other excuses to moan start being rolled out.
I don't see what's wrong with just thanking the Man for what he did for us. If it worked for him as well then that makes it even better.
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Post by vaughan on May 8, 2019 18:33:44 GMT
Let us slag off one of our own.
I will miss him, Sinclair and Leadbitter. All have made a great contribution.
Lines was a real footballer and his greatest performance was against Chelsea, when he didn't look out of place against their players. Vision and poise.
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Post by Rex on May 8, 2019 19:23:12 GMT
Let us slag off one of our own. I will miss him, Sinclair and Leadbitter. All have made a great contribution. Lines was a real footballer and his greatest performance was against Chelsea, when he didn't look out of place against their players. Vision and poise. I'm not sure people are 'slagging him off', I just pointed out, that when GC came in and dropped him, we moved up the table and others have pointed out some arguments that he might not be a god like figure! I don't see why the arguments have to be so black and white. I agree Sinclair, Lines and to a lesser degree Leadbitter have all made a contribution to the club and I wish them well, but it was apparent none of those players have been close to being a first team regular recently so maybe it is best for all concerned that they move on. One thing I find very disappointing is that GC seems to be coming in for more than his fair share of stick after doing exactly the job we all wanted him to do!
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Post by dido on May 8, 2019 19:59:35 GMT
Let us slag off one of our own. I will miss him, Sinclair and Leadbitter. All have made a great contribution. Lines was a real footballer and his greatest performance was against Chelsea, when he didn't look out of place against their players. Vision and poise. So why the chuff was he playing at Level 5, then Level 4?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 22:06:35 GMT
With accrington you would have to say they are doing most things better than us as well as plymouth,bradford,southend,swindon etc etc. But with fleetwood one man has put lots of money into the project while in fairness also creating a club that makes money 24/7 from their HQ. Is andrew pilley just a cheaper version of steve lansdown? Yes, we all know that Fleetwood are a manufactured team, but that's not the point. The question was, with our stadium facilities and £2.6 million quid head start, plus our owners are covering a huge sum every year in losses at the moment, how can Fleetwood out-perform us? Why isn't, to quote Lansdown, our stadium 'Bleeding' for us. Just look at the car park, a huge space, sat there doing nothing 300 days a year. It's ridiculous. This stuff is critical, with SCMP we are restricted to spending no more than 60% of turnover on player wages, yet we aren't making a proper effort to maximise turnover. You couldn't make this nonsense up. Has Gorringe replaced Zebra Finance yet? The club were sat on their hands, so I found a service provider, and suspecting that sycophants monitor this forum and scuttle off to tell on us, put details on here, that was probably 2 weeks ago now, just looked on the official site, no finance option available today. We are run like a car boot sale, and that's not being particularly generous to most car boot sales. I agree with you,its a joke really. Its very difficult to make a case for the owners in terms of developing facilities at the ground to maximise its potential. Even if the plan is to move elsewhere so much more could be done at the mem anyway.
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Post by warehamgas on May 9, 2019 22:04:27 GMT
You have to wonder why that would be. We have Gorringe, if he's any good at his job, considering the affluence of this City, he should be able to generate considerably more money than, with all due respect, would be possible in Fleetwood. But the main thing, in their 25 home matches during this season, I make it that a grand total of 75,589 punters watched Fleetwood, compared to 205,755 at The Mem. I have no idea what the average supporter pays at each game watching Rovers, but we have 18 boxes, 16 of which are sold, 2 for home and away Directors, then we have the hospitality thing in the big blue stand, then we have bars / food etc from all those extra fans, if we say, including the seats / hospitality / programme profits / food / beer, the club get an average of £20 per-head per-match (I think that's conservative), that means we had £2,600,000 more than Fleetwood before a ball was even kicked. Where is our money going if clubs like Accrington (76,952 attendees) and Fleetwood put out better teams than us and we still post huge losses? With accrington you would have to say they are doing most things better than us as well as plymouth,bradford,southend,swindon etc etc. But with fleetwood one man has put lots of money into the project while in fairness also creating a club that makes money 24/7 from their HQ. Is andrew pilley just a cheaper version of steve lansdown?Why have we been unable to find a north/ east Bristol version of Andy Pilley? Surely, there must be a local business man out there similar to Pilley, Huw Jenkins (Swansea), John Madjeski (Reading). (I know there are few people to rival Lansdowne’s wealth.) UTG!
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