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Post by harrybuckle on Jul 23, 2018 17:59:36 GMT
Treating valued longstanding hardworking employees in any organisation with little respect and failing to consult them before major changes is it any no wonder people resign.
Keith besides being a personal friend went well above his everyday duties to ensure BRFC were well respected and he certainly was well respected by fans at the Club.
He will be missed by many. Sincerely hope he continues to watch the Club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 18:15:19 GMT
From what I know on the commercial side, Tom Gorringe is quite keen on the 'new broom' approach, which is always bound to upset a few. I have seen a fair few comments on social media about Keith's resignation, mostly ones of outrage, funnily enough a lot of them from people who have previously posted about how 'tinpot' we are as a club and how we need to be brought up to date, well you can't have yer cake etc. I don't know Keith, but from all those I know who do know him, it seems he is a really decent bloke who loves the club. It seems he didn't want to change so a resignation is almost inevitable, it's sad, but if the club wanted to change the way things are done, then that really is their prerogative. I guess the people you are referring to were unaware that in order to successfully install electronic turnstiles you have to give a long serving member of staff their cards...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 18:18:26 GMT
One by one the people who have been around for a long time are being eased out the door.
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Post by Rex on Jul 23, 2018 18:25:08 GMT
From what I know on the commercial side, Tom Gorringe is quite keen on the 'new broom' approach, which is always bound to upset a few. I have seen a fair few comments on social media about Keith's resignation, mostly ones of outrage, funnily enough a lot of them from people who have previously posted about how 'tinpot' we are as a club and how we need to be brought up to date, well you can't have yer cake etc. I don't know Keith, but from all those I know who do know him, it seems he is a really decent bloke who loves the club. It seems he didn't want to change so a resignation is almost inevitable, it's sad, but if the club wanted to change the way things are done, then that really is their prerogative. I guess the people you are referring to were unaware that in order to successfully install electronic turnstiles you have to give a long serving member of staff their cards... I'm not quite sure the point you are trying to make, 'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater' maybe? If that is the case, then yes I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 18:54:39 GMT
I guess the people you are referring to were unaware that in order to successfully install electronic turnstiles you have to give a long serving member of staff their cards... I'm not quite sure the point you are trying to make, 'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater' maybe? If that is the case, then yes I agree. Just pointing out that a lot of people seem to be making an equivocation between long term employees and being tinpot and it obviously doesn't have to be like that. If it were me I would be looking to keep the best people both for their expertise and also their love of the company. Surely someone of that profile is worth more in the long run than someone who is competent but won't be in it for the long term? It is already apparent that Clockwork Gorringe will end up turning over a lot of staff on his watch, people who have given more years than he could ever contemplate to Rovers. Some departures deserved, some much less so. It will be interesting to see how long he stays for and what the place will be like after he hands his broom over to the next encumbent.
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Post by Rex on Jul 23, 2018 19:03:26 GMT
I'm not quite sure the point you are trying to make, 'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater' maybe? If that is the case, then yes I agree. Just pointing out that a lot of people seem to be making an equivocation between long term employees and being tinpot and it obviously doesn't have to be like that. If it were me I would be looking to keep the best people both for their expertise and also their love of the company. Surely someone of that profile is worth more in the long run than someone who is competent but won't be in it for the long term? It is already apparent that Clockwork Gorringe will end up turning over a lot of staff on his watch, people who have given more years than he could ever contemplate to Rovers. Some departures deserved, some much less so. It will be interesting to see how long he stays for and what the place will be like after he hands his broom over to the next encumbent. Yes I agree. BTW, I also think electronic tickets are totally unnecessary!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 23, 2018 19:05:53 GMT
One by one the people who have been around for a long time are being eased out the door. The focus of time served isn't what's easing the door closer for some. Think about it.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 23, 2018 19:12:21 GMT
I'm not quite sure the point you are trying to make, 'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater' maybe? If that is the case, then yes I agree. Just pointing out that a lot of people seem to be making an equivocation between long term employees and being tinpot and it obviously doesn't have to be like that. If it were me I would be looking to keep the best people both for their expertise and also their love of the company. Surely someone of that profile is worth more in the long run than someone who is competent but won't be in it for the long term? It is already apparent that Clockwork Gorringe will end up turning over a lot of staff on his watch, people who have given more years than he could ever contemplate to Rovers. Some departures deserved, some much less so. It will be interesting to see how long he stays for and what the place will be like after he hands his broom over to the next encumbent. Forget its football club for second, which has it quirks bu Isnt that happens in business. People are brought in to shake things up, correct under peformance, improve wastage etc. Not sure where Keith has fallen in all this, or even suggesting everytbing has been done the right way. When people bemoan evolution not revolution, what they mean is they only care about the team on the pitch and the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 19:14:44 GMT
Just pointing out that a lot of people seem to be making an equivocation between long term employees and being tinpot and it obviously doesn't have to be like that. If it were me I would be looking to keep the best people both for their expertise and also their love of the company. Surely someone of that profile is worth more in the long run than someone who is competent but won't be in it for the long term? It is already apparent that Clockwork Gorringe will end up turning over a lot of staff on his watch, people who have given more years than he could ever contemplate to Rovers. Some departures deserved, some much less so. It will be interesting to see how long he stays for and what the place will be like after he hands his broom over to the next encumbent. Yes I agree. BTW, I also think electronic tickets are totally unnecessary! It is a nice idea, but we play in a ground that is not a million miles away from the old rugby grounds where you can jump over the wall if someone looks the other way- so electronic turnstiles are putting the cart before the horse a bit. If we are worried so much about being tin pot the first place to start changing that is the ground!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 19:18:11 GMT
Just pointing out that a lot of people seem to be making an equivocation between long term employees and being tinpot and it obviously doesn't have to be like that. If it were me I would be looking to keep the best people both for their expertise and also their love of the company. Surely someone of that profile is worth more in the long run than someone who is competent but won't be in it for the long term? It is already apparent that Clockwork Gorringe will end up turning over a lot of staff on his watch, people who have given more years than he could ever contemplate to Rovers. Some departures deserved, some much less so. It will be interesting to see how long he stays for and what the place will be like after he hands his broom over to the next encumbent. Forget its football club for second, which has it quirks bu Isnt that happens in business. People are brought in to shake things up, correct under peformance, improve wastage etc. Not sure where Keith has fallen in all this, or even suggesting everytbing has been done the right way. When people bemoan evolution not revolution, what they mean is they only care about the team on the pitch and the stadium. Wanting top class facilities whilst retaining top class employees should not be an impossible dream to reconcile. If Keith was under-performing then the club has to move on- but he was winning awards for his work. Oh well if Gorringe thinks he can improve on that then good luck to him- I look forward to congratulating him on his award for programme of the year at the end of the season.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 23, 2018 19:26:23 GMT
Forget its football club for second, which has it quirks bu Isnt that happens in business. People are brought in to shake things up, correct under peformance, improve wastage etc. Not sure where Keith has fallen in all this, or even suggesting everytbing has been done the right way. When people bemoan evolution not revolution, what they mean is they only care about the team on the pitch and the stadium. Wanting top class facilities whilst retaining top class employees should not be an impossible dream to reconcile. If Keith was under-performing then the club has to move on- but he was winning awards for his work. Oh well if Gorringe thinks he can improve on that then good luck to him- I look forward to congratulating him on his award for programme of the year at the end of the season. Again I dont know what has happened with Keith and i agree we want top facilities and top people. Keith is a top person from my personal experiences My general point is that there are a number of people who want Revolution not Evolution, but they only want the Revolution they want
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jul 23, 2018 19:31:11 GMT
John Ward was a hard working servant of our club and he got fired.
Maybe it’s not just managers who get sacked despite being liked and hard working.
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Post by Rex on Jul 23, 2018 19:42:49 GMT
Forget its football club for second, which has it quirks bu Isnt that happens in business. People are brought in to shake things up, correct under peformance, improve wastage etc. Not sure where Keith has fallen in all this, or even suggesting everytbing has been done the right way. When people bemoan evolution not revolution, what they mean is they only care about the team on the pitch and the stadium. Wanting top class facilities whilst retaining top class employees should not be an impossible dream to reconcile. If Keith was under-performing then the club has to move on- but he was winning awards for his work. Oh well if Gorringe thinks he can improve on that then good luck to him- I look forward to congratulating him on his award for programme of the year at the end of the season. I suspect the club will not care whether the programme wins any awards or not, just how much advertising space they can sell in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 20:22:23 GMT
Wanting top class facilities whilst retaining top class employees should not be an impossible dream to reconcile. If Keith was under-performing then the club has to move on- but he was winning awards for his work. Oh well if Gorringe thinks he can improve on that then good luck to him- I look forward to congratulating him on his award for programme of the year at the end of the season. Again I dont know what has happened with Keith and i agree we want top facilities and top people. Keith is a top person from my personal experiences My general point is that there are a number of people who want Revolution not Evolution, but they only want the Revolution they want I can only speak for myself, but I would like to keep some sense of identity amidst all this change and personally I feel this should be an obvious goal- something that separates us from that lot over the river who are going through their own corporate revolution and discarding remnants of Bristol city 1982 along the way. I thought we might be a bit different and retain people behind the scenes with links to the local community- but we are becoming just another ruthless corporate non-entity like City. How long before we have a Bristol derby being played in LA in front of 40,000 Americans who have never even heard of Nempnett Thrubwell much less find it on a map? A long way off yet but it feels like that is the end result both Bristol clubs desire.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 20:25:55 GMT
Wanting top class facilities whilst retaining top class employees should not be an impossible dream to reconcile. If Keith was under-performing then the club has to move on- but he was winning awards for his work. Oh well if Gorringe thinks he can improve on that then good luck to him- I look forward to congratulating him on his award for programme of the year at the end of the season. I suspect the club will not care whether the programme wins any awards or not, just how much advertising space they can sell in it. That was my thinking, however a post on t'other forum linked to an article that suggests that the plan for the new programme is 4 pages less with less advertising! So if they feel that they can replace Keith's content with someone else's, maintain the quality and increase sales/reduce costs/both then that is a really bullish move!
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Post by sheffieldgas on Jul 23, 2018 20:29:27 GMT
I find this really sad.
Through the Higgs' years, Keith's programmes brought a touch of class to the club. He (and Ian Cole) brought free (somewhat clunky) commentary via the website for those of us away from Bristol (though a year or two later that too got commercialised!). Yeah, like I said, sad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 21:02:30 GMT
One by one the people who have been around for a long time are being eased out the door. The focus of time served isn't what's easing the door closer for some. Think about it. Think about what? Do tell, who is getting closer to the door? I won't tell a soul. But I was thinking more about Keith and Peter Aitken. No idea what Peter did wrong? Mike. I know we mess about and torment each other a bit on here, but for what it's worth, I think it's highly unlikely that they'll be able to maintain the standard of the Pirate without Keith. He doesn't know me, but when you next see him please thank him from me for all his work on the programme over the years.
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Post by dido on Jul 23, 2018 21:13:34 GMT
''...No idea what Peter did wrong? ...'' Charlie made the mistake of choosing to retire.
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Post by Rex on Jul 23, 2018 21:30:26 GMT
Again I dont know what has happened with Keith and i agree we want top facilities and top people. Keith is a top person from my personal experiences My general point is that there are a number of people who want Revolution not Evolution, but they only want the Revolution they want I can only speak for myself, but I would like to keep some sense of identity amidst all this change and personally I feel this should be an obvious goal- something that separates us from that lot over the river who are going through their own corporate revolution and discarding remnants of Bristol city 1982 along the way. I thought we might be a bit different and retain people behind the scenes with links to the local community- but we are becoming just another ruthless corporate non-entity like City. How long before we have a Bristol derby being played in LA in front of 40,000 Americans who have never even heard of Nempnett Thrubwell much less find it on a map? A long way off yet but it feels like that is the end result both Bristol clubs desire. Now that is a good question!
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Post by malago on Jul 23, 2018 21:35:37 GMT
My City friend was saying the other week that he was sad at how they had treated Adam Baker after all of his hard work down the years. He said that City are losing their identity.
We both agreed that Rovers weren't like that and my mate said he admired Rovers for being like this.
And now Keith has gone, apparently. Maybe City and Rovers are more similar than people think. I don't know...
I remember watching a clip of Keith interviewing Wael a little while back and remember thinking that WAQ didn't like some of the questions. Keith was merely asking about the UWE situation, trying to find out what we all wanted to know. He was asking all of the questions that we would have asked.
Could be massively wrong here but I'm guessing that didn't go down too well?
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