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Post by vaughan on Jul 13, 2018 8:06:20 GMT
You think that you are being misled because nothing has been articulated that matches your expectations.
Time will tell what the re-developnent means, but it will have to make sense financially, given their background.
Basically you either believe that Wael is here for the long haul and Project Evolution or you don't. They are absorbing the yearly debts and investing in key areas.
I am as impatient as the next man for substantive ground improvements and personally I am baffled why we can't build a new East Stand as part of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 9:21:49 GMT
You think that you are being misled because nothing has been articulated that matches your expectations. You say that as if the expectations are unreasonable, the problem is that my expectations are set by Wael's comments.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 13, 2018 10:51:37 GMT
OK, let's forget about Nick Higgs and concentrate on Wael and KP's original question, why won't he speak to us ? As a private investor in the business perhaps he doesn't have anything to say. But as club President, a Gashead and a self proclaimed football fanatic why won't he speak to us now when two years ago he was full of things to say ? Do you have any ideas ? I don't take this personally. The investors are doing what they think is right to protect their investment, as part of that vision they appear to believe that investing in fan experience is worthy and investing in coaching and youth development equally so. That's all good to me and in stark contrast to what has gone on. I really don't get this needy response from a few who feel the need to be told every detail. For us, the fans, with no vested financial interest, that should be enough. If you want to know the absolute detail, put your hand in your pocket and buy in. Otherwise 🙊 So the shareholders who hold the circa 8% that DS don't own are being kept informed of the detail? I'm guessing no so that would preclude anyone investing or weren't buying a controlling or significant shareholding from knowing. And vaughan has already had confirmation from the chairman that they are not looking for investors
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 11:13:03 GMT
I don't take this personally. The investors are doing what they think is right to protect their investment, as part of that vision they appear to believe that investing in fan experience is worthy and investing in coaching and youth development equally so. That's all good to me and in stark contrast to what has gone on. I really don't get this needy response from a few who feel the need to be told every detail. For us, the fans, with no vested financial interest, that should be enough. If you want to know the absolute detail, put your hand in your pocket and buy in. Otherwise 🙊 So the shareholders who hold the circa 8% that DS don't own are being kept informed of the detail? I'm guessing no so that would preclude anyone investing or weren't buying a controlling or significant shareholding from knowing. And vaughan has already had confirmation from the chairman that they are not looking for investors I doubt it. Given that they have passed the 75% threshold. If they are at 92% and the 8% were troublesome, they could just buy them out. But,as you know, the board, of a private limited company, are under no obligation to give a running commentary. Again, I don't see what the fuss is about.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 13, 2018 12:18:50 GMT
You think that you are being misled because nothing has been articulated that matches your expectations. Time will tell what the re-developnent means, but it will have to make sense financially, given their background. Basically you either believe that Wael is here for the long haul and Project Evolution or you don't. They are absorbing the yearly debts and investing in key areas. I am as impatient as the next man for substantive ground improvements and personally I am baffled why we can't build a new East Stand as part of this. My expectations levels are the ones that were set by Wael. I didn't demand a new ground or a complete stadium re-development - however there was a very strong implication that I could expect the latter. How about " Wael Al-Qadi will tell what the re-development means"? Or Steve Hamer. Or Martyn Starnes. It would be nice to tidy up this mis-understanding. I also think that Wael is here for the long run. However I do not understand what Project Evolution means in relation to how we will significantly increase the capacity of the Mem. Are we slowly going to "evolve" an extra 200 seats a year for the next 30 years? Can seats magically procreate?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 13, 2018 13:02:27 GMT
So the shareholders who hold the circa 8% that DS don't own are being kept informed of the detail? I'm guessing no so that would preclude anyone investing or weren't buying a controlling or significant shareholding from knowing. And vaughan has already had confirmation from the chairman that they are not looking for investors I doubt it. Given that they have passed the 75% threshold. If they are at 92% and the 8% were troublesome, they could just buy them out. But,as you know, the board, of a private limited company, are under no obligation to give a running commentary. Again, I don't see what the fuss is about. So the fact is you'd have to buy 25%+ to have anything shared when the Chairman has said they aren't looking for investment. The issue is that they make big noises about new stadium or redevelopment or a training ground then follow it up with deafening silence. When there is silence the vacuum will be filled with rumours. So either say f**k all or follow up Billy Big bollocks statements with updates. And its a very sad and dangerous game when owners of loss making lower league club decide to treat fans as customers. If they don't want our financial commitment, without which the club would fast go down the drain then day so. And it's desperately sad when people like yourself accept fans being treated as customers. Surely not what you were intending when you helped set up the sharescheme?
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Post by vaughan on Jul 13, 2018 13:14:42 GMT
I have sympathy ref the arguments for greater communication specifically on Mem re-development, especially one year on from UWE collapse.
The longer it goes on, the more it looks like it is not going to happen. That's why I asked about outside investment to expedite this.
To say that Wael has provided others with more information than us is not justified.
Everyone knows that we have to increase our capacity and attendances to have any chance of becoming a Championship club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 14:29:17 GMT
I have sympathy ref the arguments for greater communication specifically on Mem re-development, especially one year on from UWE collapse. The longer it goes on, the more it looks like it is not going to happen. That's why I asked about outside investment to expedite this. To say that Wael has provided others with more information than us is not justified. Everyone knows that we have to increase our capacity and attendances to have any chance of becoming a Championship club. Why doesn't Wael just come right out and say that he never authorised the comments on that thing Jooles mentioned and as soon as he found out about it he was furious and explained that in the strongest possible terms to the person responsible?
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Post by droitwichgas on Jul 13, 2018 16:58:57 GMT
I have sympathy ref the arguments for greater communication specifically on Mem re-development, especially one year on from UWE collapse. The longer it goes on, the more it looks like it is not going to happen. That's why I asked about outside investment to expedite this. To say that Wael has provided others with more information than us is not justified. Everyone knows that we have to increase our capacity and attendances to have any chance of becoming a Championship club. Why doesn't Wael just come right out and say that he never authorised the comments on that thing Jooles mentioned and as soon as he found out about it he was furious and explained that in the strongest possible terms to the person responsible? But aren't the chances are that he did turn up at the conference and gave a presentation along the lines of the comments in the brochure?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 17:10:45 GMT
Why doesn't Wael just come right out and say that he never authorised the comments on that thing Jooles mentioned and as soon as he found out about it he was furious and explained that in the strongest possible terms to the person responsible? But aren't the chances are that he did turn up at the conference and gave a presentation along the lines of the comments in the brochure? How would I know? Ask him, not me
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 15, 2018 9:56:48 GMT
Actually I discussed this with him when we were still contacting one another on Facebook and before I blocked him over not even getting back to me about a bucket collection for the Young’s lad the died, Bradley Cooper’s family. It upset me greatly as, after having to deal with 4 deaths in 3 years, I know just how expensive funerals are but that’s another story his reply to my message of don’t let the fans upset you, was that he knew how football fans acted and reacted and that it didn’t bother him. I have the message if you really want to see it ? vaughan No evidence that Al Qadi briefed others why it was a bad deal? So what are you saying, that Wael didn't actually speak at the Conference? *Bailey Cooper Apologies, you got what I meant though, I hope ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 17, 2018 9:05:33 GMT
Ok,
Time for humble pie. Wael didn’t even go let alone do the talk and Tom Gorringe stepped in and talked about the renovations at the mem. I apologise unreservedly to Wael and to you guys. I guess it’s a lesson learned so not all bad. I think I need to quit this kind of thing or maybe quit the forum. I need some time to think about this
Sorry for causing such a stink but I did have good intent regardless of if I’m believed or not
PS. Wael has been asked for better PR but there was no commitment to do so. We are left still not knowing about the future of the club
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Post by Angas on Jul 17, 2018 10:49:09 GMT
At least it only ran to three pages. And it provided a distraction. Another couple of weeks and we'll have more interesting things to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 10:53:03 GMT
Ok, Time for humble pie. Wael didn’t even go let alone do the talk and Tom Gorringe stepped in and talked about the renovations at the mem. I apologise unreservedly to Wael and to you guys. I guess it’s a lesson learned so not all bad. I think I need to quit this kind of thing or maybe quit the forum. I need some time to think about this Sorry for causing such a stink but I did have good intent regardless of if I’m believed or not PS. Wael has been asked for better PR but there was no commitment to do so. We are left still not knowing about the future of the club Well, There you are. Another made up story.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 11:04:03 GMT
Ok, Time for humble pie. Wael didn’t even go let alone do the talk and Tom Gorringe stepped in and talked about the renovations at the mem. I apologise unreservedly to Wael and to you guys. I guess it’s a lesson learned so not all bad. I think I need to quit this kind of thing or maybe quit the forum. I need some time to think about this Sorry for causing such a stink but I did have good intent regardless of if I’m believed or not PS. Wael has been asked for better PR but there was no commitment to do so. We are left still not knowing about the future of the club Well, There you are. Another made up story.Someone fabricated that poster / flyer / mailshot or whatever it was that Jooles has on the first post in this thread? Well I never!
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Post by Angas on Jul 17, 2018 11:14:03 GMT
Well, There you are. Another made up story.Someone fabricated that poster / flyer / mailshot or whatever it was that Jooles has on the first post in this thread? Well I never! Not necessarily. KP says Tom Gorringe stepped in. Plus the poster/flyer/mailshot doesn't actually say Wael would be speaking, we just assumed.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 17, 2018 11:15:35 GMT
Ok, Time for humble pie. Wael didn’t even go let alone do the talk and Tom Gorringe stepped in and talked about the renovations at the mem. I apologise unreservedly to Wael and to you guys. I guess it’s a lesson learned so not all bad. I think I need to quit this kind of thing or maybe quit the forum. I need some time to think about this Sorry for causing such a stink but I did have good intent regardless of if I’m believed or not PS. Wael has been asked for better PR but there was no commitment to do so. We are left still not knowing about the future of the club Well, There you are. Another made up story. No fabrication at all. This was a screenshot and has now been taken down due to Wael being made aware of it. I don’t need to make things up and it still doesn’t address why we have such poor PR but I shall leave it there
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 11:35:06 GMT
Someone fabricated that poster / flyer / mailshot or whatever it was that Jooles has on the first post in this thread? Well I never! Not necessarily. KP says Tom Gorringe stepped in. Plus the poster/flyer/mailshot doesn't actually say Wael would be speaking, we just assumed. I'm no wiser. So Tom produced the original thing that KP posted on here and distributed it without Wael's knowledge?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 17, 2018 11:53:13 GMT
Not necessarily. KP says Tom Gorringe stepped in. Plus the poster/flyer/mailshot doesn't actually say Wael would be speaking, we just assumed. I'm no wiser. So Tom produced the original thing that KP posted on here and distributed it without Wael's knowledge? The screenshot was taken 3 months after the summit, 19th June
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 17, 2018 11:54:33 GMT
Not necessarily. KP says Tom Gorringe stepped in. Plus the poster/flyer/mailshot doesn't actually say Wael would be speaking, we just assumed. I'm no wiser. So Tom produced the original thing that KP posted on here and distributed it without Wael's knowledge? I’d hazard a guess it was the people who were hosting the event @bambergasgroin
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