kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 10, 2018 20:39:58 GMT
Why won’t he speak to us ? I just don’t understand it , not at all and it feels like a kick in the teeth
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 20:59:51 GMT
Where's it from, KP? You can't let it get to you mucker. Things at BRFC disappointed us last year. Things at BRFC are disappointing us this year. You can bet your Polish backside, As I will bet my duck's arse, There'll be more to disappoint next year too. We can only enjoy good matches, for they do happen, for Rovers back in their 'normal' third division. I've noticed a lot of Gas Guzzlers are increasingly giving up on the business of BRFC, resigning themselves to enjoying third division professional football at the Memorial Ground for as long as it persists. Until the next stadium idea is floated. Good luck getting some of us to believe in it.
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Post by crater on Jul 10, 2018 21:00:40 GMT
This age we live in everyone wants to know what's going on all the time. Oh for the days of a dedicated ceefax page and clubcall
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 10, 2018 21:37:06 GMT
This age we live in everyone wants to know what's going on all the time. Oh for the days of a dedicated ceefax page and clubcall But it’s not those days and we live in times where information is easily found I think it shows very poor form that the fans don’t get told anything but a group do shoveler it was today I believe as I only just got it and from an internet search
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Post by The Concept on Jul 10, 2018 21:39:26 GMT
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 10, 2018 21:43:16 GMT
You are correct but i only just found this part. Well, not strictly true. I was sent it
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jul 10, 2018 22:11:03 GMT
World Cups on mate.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 10, 2018 22:18:19 GMT
In the land of the blind and all that. Nice diversion though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 0:22:40 GMT
Maybe hes deeply hurt by all the negative comments on football forums and facebook? Some of the stuff like the "fake sheik" comment from some moron is also blatantly racist. Maybe he thought fans would appreciate his efforts to improve the club but now realises how spiteful they can be in the modern "must have it now" era we live in. Plenty of city fans were slagging steve lansdown off last season for not spending massive in january,even calling for him to sell up. Mad world
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jul 11, 2018 6:41:04 GMT
We have no right to anything.
3rd division we were when I signed up.
3rd division we are now.
My entrance money and support entitles me to nothing. It doesn’t buy progress.
Otherwise, all those other clubs expect the same and we can’t have all 3rd div clubs in a 48 club championship.
We are not responsible as fans.
We just chose our colours and hope.
Ok another note, from what we have bought so far, we don’t look to be doing this season on the cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 7:57:39 GMT
Maybe hes deeply hurt by all the negative comments on football forums and facebook? Some of the stuff like the "fake sheik" comment from some moron is also blatantly racist. Maybe he thought fans would appreciate his efforts to improve the club but now realises how spiteful they can be in the modern "must have it now" era we live in. Plenty of city fans were slagging steve lansdown off last season for not spending massive in january,even calling for him to sell up. Mad world Or perhaps someone has explained to him that if you act like a joke people will laugh at you.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 11, 2018 8:28:15 GMT
I am "over" the UWE debacle and the pretend full redevelopment of the Mem. I can see money being spent and the Club moving forward. What I don't understand is why Wael Al-Qadi seems unwilling to speak to us about the 'good things' that are happening. If he's been hurt by criticism (which one would have to say he has largely brought upon himself) - then he needs to develop a thicker skin. C'mon Wael - talk to us. We won't bite. Right - back to the World Cup. UTG. ICH.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 11, 2018 9:28:07 GMT
Doesn't matter, we are all going to die soon or something according to Sevencider on Gaschat.
Hasn't actually told us anything but it's ALARMING (if true)
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Post by a more piratey game on Jul 11, 2018 10:32:42 GMT
Doesn't matter, we are all going to die soon or something according to Sevencider on Gaschat. Hasn't actually told us anything but it's ALARMING (if true) he comes across to me as a very sad man. My view is 'don't feed the troll'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 11:37:13 GMT
View AttachmentWhy won’t he speak to us ? I just don’t understand it , not at all and it feels like a kick in the teeth Because it's a private company, self financing, a presentation on a specific topic based upon a real life situation. If he shares that presentation, how will it change your life? What relevance is it to you?
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Post by swissgas on Jul 11, 2018 14:19:15 GMT
It's a year this week since I made the "suspicious minds" post expressing my feeling that many fans were suspicious of what was going on at Rovers but didn't want to talk about it and preferred to sit back and enjoy the ride. I made the point that exactly the same thing had happened under Nick Higgs' leadership and if Rovers fans had been more militant then, and brought him to task, he may possibly have listened and changed course before we sank into non-league and the debts ran out of control.
Today I still feel uncomfortable being on the opposite side of the debate to posters like Oldie, Cheshire and Peter Parker. I understand the attraction of enjoying the ride, the pints with friends before the game and the laughs at the up's and down's we experience following Rovers. But we had all that under Nick Higgs and yet still some of us felt motivated to challenge Nick about his leadership style,lack of communication,commercial failings and apparent absence of any planning.
What has Wael done to merit the acquiescence which we did not give Nick ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:32:47 GMT
It's a year this week since I made the "suspicious minds" post expressing my feeling that many fans were suspicious of what was going on at Rovers but didn't want to talk about it and preferred to sit back and enjoy the ride. I made the point that exactly the same thing had happened under Nick Higgs' leadership and if Rovers fans had been more militant then, and brought him to task, he may possibly have listened and changed course before we sank into non-league and the debts ran out of control. Today I still feel uncomfortable being on the opposite side of the debate to posters like Oldie, Cheshire and Peter Parker. I understand the attraction of enjoying the ride, the pints with friends before the game and the laughs at the up's and down's we experience following Rovers. But we had all that under Nick Higgs and yet still some of us felt motivated to challenge Nick about his leadership style,lack of communication,commercial failings and apparent absence of any planning. What has Wael done to merit the acquiescence which we did not give Nick ? I object to the word acquiescent. I have mis giving, but unlike the previous regime we have this A) Playing side stability B) Proper investment in coaching staff and development squad C) Genuine improvements to facilities for the benefit of fans D) Investment in an experienced company management structure E) Internalisation of company debt F) Complete lack of bravado over a new stadium It seems to me that all the doubt is because of the UWE. Hands up those who understood the proposed financing as articulated by the previous regime?? My only disappointment is the training ground, which is needed to back up the development of the coaching team and the development of players. If there is anything else Swiss, why don't you properly articulate it. I am prepared to be completely wrong, if proven.
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Post by swissgas on Jul 11, 2018 16:08:07 GMT
It's a year this week since I made the "suspicious minds" post expressing my feeling that many fans were suspicious of what was going on at Rovers but didn't want to talk about it and preferred to sit back and enjoy the ride. I made the point that exactly the same thing had happened under Nick Higgs' leadership and if Rovers fans had been more militant then, and brought him to task, he may possibly have listened and changed course before we sank into non-league and the debts ran out of control. Today I still feel uncomfortable being on the opposite side of the debate to posters like Oldie, Cheshire and Peter Parker. I understand the attraction of enjoying the ride, the pints with friends before the game and the laughs at the up's and down's we experience following Rovers. But we had all that under Nick Higgs and yet still some of us felt motivated to challenge Nick about his leadership style,lack of communication,commercial failings and apparent absence of any planning. What has Wael done to merit the acquiescence which we did not give Nick ? I object to the word acquiescent. I have mis giving, but unlike the previous regime we have this A) Playing side stability B) Proper investment in coaching staff and development squad C) Genuine improvements to facilities for the benefit of fans D) Investment in an experienced company management structure E) Internalisation of company debt F) Complete lack of bravado over a new stadium It seems to me that all the doubt is because of the UWE. Hands up those who understood the proposed financing as articulated by the previous regime?? My only disappointment is the training ground, which is needed to back up the development of the coaching team and the development of players. If there is anything else Swiss, why don't you properly articulate it. I am prepared to be completely wrong, if proven. Acquiescence is giving tacit approval to something and not objecting. If Nick Higgs had gone to a football conference in London and given a speech about why the UWE deal fell through, how Rovers handled it and what his alternative plans were, but then refused to share all this detail with fans, how would we have reacted ? Would we have remained silent and given our tacit approval ? I think a huge majority of Rovers fans would have remained silent and given their tacit approval because, as always, they would be thinking "Nick knows best, he is a successful businessman who will not let us down and he will tell us when he is ready". But you and I and a few others would certainly not have remained silent. We would have given Nick a hard time and tried to persuade other fans this was not a sensible approach to take and not in the best interests of the football club. I do think Wael has shown false bravado since the day the UWE cancellation was announced as illustrated by his talk of the "dirty dozen stadium experts on our side" and then going to this conference and apparently telling the audience how he solved the problem of the UWE deal breaking down. To me this is exactly the same attitude that Nick Higgs took. He relied on the fact that the majority thought he knew what he was doing and used endless bluster rather than taking the sensible course of confronting the truth and being straight with Rovers fans. The other five point you make are fair to a degree but I'm still not sure whether these changes are exactly what they seem. Darrell Clarke is a realist and a good man for Rovers but I wonder if even he thinks his squad is stable. We did have a development squad in Nick Higgs' time under the management Darren Patterson and players like Ben Swallow did make the step up to the first team so how big an improvement we have now is unclear. The upgrading of the fans facilities is very good and well overdue. What is this management structure ? Judging by Monday's announcement it looks as though even Martyn Starnes is unsure of what his role is. And surely no one can be complacent about the huge mountain of debt no matter who it is owed to. Looking at what is financially visible about the AJIB and associated companies I cannot see the apparent 2 million per year cost of owning Rovers being sustainable for the family. So it really boils down to whether it is helpful to question and put forward constructive criticism or whether it is best to just sit back and enjoy the ride. My view is that we should treat Wael in exactly the same way as we treated Nick and for us that meant taking him to task when we saw things we felt weren't right and challenging him to do better.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 11, 2018 16:13:03 GMT
It's a year this week since I made the "suspicious minds" post expressing my feeling that many fans were suspicious of what was going on at Rovers but didn't want to talk about it and preferred to sit back and enjoy the ride. I made the point that exactly the same thing had happened under Nick Higgs' leadership and if Rovers fans had been more militant then, and brought him to task, he may possibly have listened and changed course before we sank into non-league and the debts ran out of control. Today I still feel uncomfortable being on the opposite side of the debate to posters like Oldie, Cheshire and Peter Parker. I understand the attraction of enjoying the ride, the pints with friends before the game and the laughs at the up's and down's we experience following Rovers. But we had all that under Nick Higgs and yet still some of us felt motivated to challenge Nick about his leadership style,lack of communication,commercial failings and apparent absence of any planning. What has Wael done to merit the acquiescence which we did not give Nick ? It's not about enjoying the ride per se, but certain posters don't help when they 'cry wolf' and nothing happens with the prophecies of doom or whatever it is this week.
Pseudo cryptic bollox from the like of the 'ciders' helps no one when there are genuine concerns
The Al_Qadi's have been far from perfect, learning curves, misunderstanding the football culture here or whatever it may be, but they have been far from the evil owners some seem desperate to portray them as because they aren't NH, local or 'the lesser spotted other consortium'
Ignoring history for a second and taking everything at face value, they have presided over far more at BRFC than many others other 20/30 years
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 16:20:16 GMT
Why won’t he speak to us ? I just don’t understand it , not at all and it feels like a kick in the teeth Because it's a private company, self financing, a presentation on a specific topic based upon a real life situation. If he shares that presentation, how will it change your life? What relevance is it to you? If our relationship is just as paying customers then Wael can come right out and say so. Of course he won't, it's an emotional relationship, not just a fiscal transaction, you know that, and so does Wael, it was demonstrated by his 'Delia' moment on the pitch when he opened up his jacket to show his Rovers shirt and shouted that he was a Gashead.
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