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Post by fanatical on Feb 12, 2018 17:28:21 GMT
"...alleged foreign forgers, tax evaders, oligarchs and much worse to own and manage our football teams..." Yeh, let's have home-grown forgers and British tax evaders... 'they're one of our own'. Oligarchy is not a crime, I believe. depends on your view and morality - the definition is "a very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence." - comes under 'much worse' in my view!
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 12, 2018 18:29:50 GMT
Shades of grey on "legality" there Rex, but morality is rarely a defining feature when money enters the equation. Oxfam anyone? Anyone who believes the money they give to charity is all reaching it's target & being spent in a 'morally' acceptable way is a complete fing idiot. I support a small Bristol charity called Deki. www.deki.org.uk/They lend money to people in Africa, to support their own businesses, which is repaid over a period of time and then the money is loaned out again. They also raise money in respect of their admin costs separately. Whilst all money does not reach its target at least you are aware of where the money loaned is going and it is long term help. I just like the concept and personableness (not totally sure that is quite the right word but you know what I mean). Sorry for the plug but it's just about on thread (maybe).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 18:58:27 GMT
Shades of grey on "legality" there Rex, but morality is rarely a defining feature when money enters the equation. Oxfam anyone? Anyone who believes the money they give to charity is all reaching it's target & being spent in a 'morally' acceptable way is a complete fing idiot. You have a dilemma here though, only the organisations with big overheads will have the infrastructure in place to react quickly in the case of, for example, an earthquake in a remote area. We've already established that wherever there are large sums of money you'll get sharks floating around, look, here comes one now, You'll also have to define what you believe to be moral and what you base that morality on?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 1:25:09 GMT
in the top 2 id say, him or andy spring for me, hang on ive forgotten that short black bloke putting the ball over the bar from a foot 2001 ish Alvin Bubb? If Pipe's in your worst 2 then thankfully you've forgotten a whole heap of appallingly bad players, Pipe literally only stands out because of his conviction (possibly why you remember Andy Spring as well). na they were just crap. there must be loads ive forgotten, mostly weve had average blokes giving good effort i suppose
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Feb 13, 2018 9:05:46 GMT
Anyone who believes the money they give to charity is all reaching it's target & being spent in a 'morally' acceptable way is a complete fing idiot. I support a small Bristol charity called Deki. www.deki.org.uk/They lend money to people in Africa, to support their own businesses, which is repaid over a period of time and then the money is loaned out again. They also raise money in respect of their admin costs separately. Whilst all money does not reach its target at least you are aware of where the money loaned is going and it is long term help. I just like the concept and personableness (not totally sure that is quite the right word but you know what I mean). Sorry for the plug but it's just about on thread (maybe). Travelling extensively through Africa is what opened my eyes to the failing in general of all charities & NGOs. Everyone at best is just applying a very small sticking plaster to a problem, and one of the biggest problems is that the sticking plaster arrives in Africa as a very, very large sticking plaster but then everyone takes their little cut (because no-one will miss a little bit) and ends up a very small ticking plaster on a big problem. Still it is completely your choice to donate your money to any cause, personally I won't donate to any charities other than those operating fully in the UK, & to some extent Europe.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 13, 2018 10:21:40 GMT
I support a small Bristol charity called Deki. www.deki.org.uk/They lend money to people in Africa, to support their own businesses, which is repaid over a period of time and then the money is loaned out again. They also raise money in respect of their admin costs separately. Whilst all money does not reach its target at least you are aware of where the money loaned is going and it is long term help. I just like the concept and personableness (not totally sure that is quite the right word but you know what I mean). Sorry for the plug but it's just about on thread (maybe). Travelling extensively through Africa is what opened my eyes to the failing in general of all charities & NGOs. Everyone at best is just applying a very small sticking plaster to a problem, and one of the biggest problems is that the sticking plaster arrives in Africa as a very, very large sticking plaster but then everyone takes their little cut (because no-one will miss a little bit) and ends up a very small ticking plaster on a big problem. Still it is completely your choice to donate your money to any cause, personally I won't donate to any charities other than those operating fully in the UK, & to some extent Europe. Can't disagree with that. The thing is here the money I lend comes back 100% over a period of time and is then lent out again by me. Therefore any "cut" is kept in Africa; paid for by the borrower. I can withdraw the funds available (those repaid) at any stage, not that I have ever tried. My feeling is that this helps entrepreneurial people stand on their feet and make my loan "work for them". Whilst incredibly small I hope it is better than just throwing money at an issue and not knowing where it will actually land. Do I really know? Of course not but, for me, the concept, structure and process makes sense.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 13, 2018 12:49:00 GMT
The betting industry is a slightly murky business I'll give you that, but then again pretty much all industries are. Wherever there is money to be made, some people will try to gain an advantage. Nail on head Rex. It's easier to hide or has just become accepted in other industries. NHS paying far too much for drugs. What is the price of petrol today and why? Should agents in football receive fees (should managers receive bungs)? How much do politicians receive and what do they do for the company they represent as a Director? The list is never-ending. Just a bit off topic but we are sometimes outraged at fees and wages paid to our footballers but compare them to what US sports stars get paid. Talk about set up for life If you read history then you’ll know it always been the same and even going back to the bartering ways. Some people are either better regarded & connected than others, some are seen as special or leaders and so get more. I’m a socialist so believe in a fairer way but even I’m not deluded enough to think it would happen. As it’s written in animal farm, all are equal but some are more equal than others
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 13, 2018 12:59:15 GMT
Shades of grey on "legality" there Rex, but morality is rarely a defining feature when money enters the equation. Oxfam anyone? Anyone who believes the money they give to charity is all reaching it's target & being spent in a 'morally' acceptable way is a complete fing idiot. That wat you MUST , absolutely MUST check out the charities you give to. Yes, many are very very bad, look up the health lottery as an example and just how minuscule the amount is that actually goes to the NHS. Off of the back of my head it’s around 2% or less
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