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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 11, 2017 17:21:35 GMT
Colkett on loan to Swindle
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jan 11, 2017 18:11:09 GMT
No biggy, we'll do a Boatang on him in 2 weeks. We know he's got skills but he won't win football matches on his own at this stage of his career.
Nothing to fear there.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 11, 2017 18:49:28 GMT
Let's hope he scores again v Oldham, Northampton & Bradford!
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 11, 2017 19:42:23 GMT
I wonder what the ROI has been from the loan players that we have had from the start of the season. Considering salaries etc do we think it's a system that provides value and appropriate resource? Is it not necessary a reflection on the loan players skill but more so on their motivation or how we may treat them differently compared to 'permanent' players? I remember being a student and having loads of temp jobs (shout out to KTS Recruitment, Kingswood). The companies regarded temp workers as a necessity win times of peak work and where the existing resources couldn't cope (even with overtime). A lot of the temps were students or new graduates who were doing jobs above their 'skillset' at the time (it was really menial work). The thing was that temp workers always felt second class, had trouble setting in as both they and the permanent workers knew they were temporary and thus morale wasn't the same. We always left at 5pm on the dot. I wonder if loanees have a related experience to temps - they can perform better but they psychologically don't feel part of the organisation. Perhaps that's why loan players seem unrepresentative of the division of football their parent club belongs to.But Colkett's only a kid so you can't him to be playing at Hazard's level just because they both play in the same team, like wise you wouldn't expect Jamie Lucas to be at the same level as MT when he goes out on loan. I so wonder how Swindon are going to try and give Colkett more game time than us, or perhaps this deal was set up when Sherwood joined them hence why Colkett has seemingly lost interest in the last month or so, having looked a real prospect before that.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jan 11, 2017 22:17:09 GMT
I wonder what the ROI has been from the loan players that we have had from the start of the season. Considering salaries etc do we think it's a system that provides value and appropriate resource? Is it not necessary a reflection on the loan players skill but more so on their motivation or how we may treat them differently compared to 'permanent' players? I remember being a student and having loads of temp jobs (shout out to KTS Recruitment, Kingswood). The companies regarded temp workers as a necessity win times of peak work and where the existing resources couldn't cope (even with overtime). A lot of the temps were students or new graduates who were doing jobs above their 'skillset' at the time (it was really menial work). The thing was that temp workers always felt second class, had trouble setting in as both they and the permanent workers knew they were temporary and thus morale wasn't the same. We always left at 5pm on the dot. I wonder if loanees have a related experience to temps - they can perform better but they psychologically don't feel part of the organisation. Perhaps that's why loan players seem unrepresentative of the division of football their parent club belongs to.But Colkett's only a kid so you can't him to be playing at Hazard's level just because they both play in the same team, like wise you wouldn't expect Jamie Lucas to be at the same level as MT when he goes out on loan. I so wonder how Swindon are going to try and give Colkett more game time than us, or perhaps this deal was set up when Sherwood joined them hence why Colkett has seemingly lost interest in the last month or so, having looked a real prospect before that. Your last point is worth looking at further. Do loan players have different sensitivities due to their temporary situation and having essentially a different paymaster? They may have better skills and coaches but they often prove to be less productive for the team than our full-time players. I'd have preferred Easter in Colkett's role.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 12:00:46 GMT
There's a danger of playing amateur psychology here, and of overly-generalising when loanees are all individuals in different situations.
A perceived problem in the past has been that loanees bust a gut while they're on loan, and then revert to lesser form once they get a permanent deal. Now they're being broad-brushed as half-hearted temps.
Some might be looking for a permanent move; some might be looking for first team experience to take back with them; some might be looking for footage for a show-reel (so don't want to be here, necessarily, but want to impress). There's probably a wide spectrum of reasons and motivations. I think the middle one is more likely the largest component with Colkett, but who knows? Plus, some are probably more 'pro' and put in a full effort than other more self-serving ones.
I don't think we can blanket conclude that 'the problem with loanees is ...'.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 12, 2017 23:21:00 GMT
There's a danger of playing amateur psychology here, and of overly-generalising when loanees are all individuals in different situations. A perceived problem in the past has been that loanees bust a gut while they're on loan, and then revert to lesser form once they get a permanent deal. Now they're being broad-brushed as half-hearted temps. Some might be looking for a permanent move; some might be looking for first team experience to take back with them; some might be looking for footage for a show-reel (so don't want to be here, necessarily, but want to impress). There's probably a wide spectrum of reasons and motivations. I think the middle one is more likely the largest component with Colkett, but who knows? Plus, some are probably more 'pro' and put in a full effort than other more self-serving ones. I don't think we can blanket conclude that 'the problem with loanees is ...'. Very well said fella. Chapeau Sir, chapeau
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 11:11:32 GMT
So the acknowledgement that GD had actually achieved something tangible in the name of the club was not the case then, interesting, didn't realise that Bamber. I wasn't there when the papers were signed, but have been told by more than one person that the clause was inserted by the bank. When I next see Geoff I'll ask him. Either way, it would be poor form not to recognise the legacy of the Dunford family in saving the club when we left Bristol and in bringing us home again. Always respected Dennis Dunford and his leadership, and the respect he had for the fans, have posted this several times, so I don't quite understand the reference to poor form, the legacy he left behind was carried on admirably by the supporters who paid for the ground improvements such as covering the north enclosure of the mem following his departure.
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Post by fanatical on Jan 13, 2017 11:37:20 GMT
So the acknowledgement that GD had actually achieved something tangible in the name of the club was not the case then, interesting, didn't realise that Bamber. I wasn't there when the papers were signed, but have been told by more than one person that the clause was inserted by the bank. When I next see Geoff I'll ask him. Either way, it would be poor form not to recognise the legacy of the Dunford family in saving the club when we left Bristol and in bringing us home again. I was left in no doubt by Denis Dunford that it was Geoff who had the clause included - can't see how it would have benefited the bank if it had been Rovers who were bust!
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Post by fanatical on Jan 13, 2017 11:42:32 GMT
According to DC in this morning's papers we will probably have to dip into the loan market again, when are we actually going to get a board prepared to invest in the squad I find it incredible that we didn't have a goalkeeper lined up by the opening of the January transfer window it is the one position on the field that you cant afford to mess about with if we go into Sat's match with what we have got and fail to get a result the blame will lie squarely on the managements shoulders.Investment made to the squad (Partington) - and we won with existing goalkeeper one up to the club then trunky?
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Post by trunky on Jan 13, 2017 11:56:27 GMT
Partington a great signing,but because we got away with it last week doesent mean we made the right decision to go into the game with a sub standard keeper.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 12:17:18 GMT
Partington a great signing,but because we got away with it last week doesent mean we made the right decision to go into the game with a sub standard keeper. Got away with it?? Yeah, what a stuffy 5-0 win that was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 13:32:19 GMT
I wasn't there when the papers were signed, but have been told by more than one person that the clause was inserted by the bank. When I next see Geoff I'll ask him. Either way, it would be poor form not to recognise the legacy of the Dunford family in saving the club when we left Bristol and in bringing us home again. Always respected Dennis Dunford and his leadership, and the respect he had for the fans, have posted this several times, so I don't quite understand the reference to poor form, the legacy he left behind was carried on admirably by the supporters who paid for the ground improvements such as covering the north enclosure of the mem following his departure. I wasn't accusing anybody of 'poor form', all I was saying was that, whether or not Geoff was responsible for that clause, his family collectively have done more than their fair share for the club.
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