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Post by laughinggas on Jan 6, 2017 21:03:47 GMT
What do you class as reasonable investment? I am sure it is different to everbody else. Some people suggest we spend 300k+ for Boogle for instance. DC says he wants the right players (permanently) and might have to wait until the summer to get them, hence the prospect of loans now. I guess we may have a keeper lined up but they needed to get him over here to have a proper look at him It's very different to what DC was saying just a short while ago. Remember him saying the owner had given him the green light to strengthen the squad and at least 3 will be coming in ? I don't get the ever changing stories. Something isn't right here in my opinion DC said he wanted his first choices but would not pay silly money when they would be cheap or free in the summer. If he could not get 1st choice he would go to the loan market. Think all is good.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 6, 2017 21:11:53 GMT
Knowing the old Board they probably have not sent instructions to tell them to stop monitoring. I am convinced the more I read some of the criticism that we aren't doing enough to get promotion, that DC doesn't want promotion, that we haven't signed any players, etc etc that some actually hanker after the old days of Higgs etc. Surely with him in charge we would be top of the league in a shinny new stadium.... and we would have had that bus tour! Bloody short memories some, mind you I wonder when GoDs book is out so that we can know the full story behind everything.... he's obviously missed the Christmas sales perhaps he's going for Easter! I think your talking nonsense if you're saying fans are hankering after the old days of Higgs, but what fans would like to see is DC being given some funds to actually improve the squad, his permanent summer signings of Hartley & Moore have hardly set the club alight and two of the loan players, James & Roos have been flops and three of the others have now returned to their parent clubs. The concern about DC now saying he's waiting to the summer is that fund are so tight that's just an excuse to cover up the fact we won't be signing any quality players. DC even seems to be playing down the new goalies arrival saying last it's just a trial like the other players he's had in on trial recently. As far as the training ground unless I've missed the announcement I've not seen it confirmed we've actually purchased the land now?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 21:52:08 GMT
I am convinced the more I read some of the criticism that we aren't doing enough to get promotion, that DC doesn't want promotion, that we haven't signed any players, etc etc that some actually hanker after the old days of Higgs etc. Surely with him in charge we would be top of the league in a shinny new stadium.... and we would have had that bus tour! Bloody short memories some, mind you I wonder when GoDs book is out so that we can know the full story behind everything.... he's obviously missed the Christmas sales perhaps he's going for Easter! I think your talking nonsense if you're saying fans are hankering after the old days of Higgs, but what fans would like to see is DC being given some funds to actually improve the squad, his permanent summer signings of Hartley & Moore have hardly set the club alight and two of the loan players, James & Roos have been flops and three of the others have now returned to their parent clubs. The concern about DC now saying he's waiting to the summer is that fund are so tight that's just an excuse to cover up the fact we won't be signing any quality players. DC even seems to be playing down the new goalies arrival saying last it's just a trial like the other players he's had in on trial recently. As far as the training ground unless I've missed the announcement I've not seen it confirmed we've actually purchased the land now? Where I am with all of this is; The mistakes, mostly defensive are frigging annoying because the same things keep happening. The keeper situation looks a bit of a mess. The nature of some of the defeats in recent weeks is a worry, we've not been losing by the odd scrappy goal. However, I would be more worried if we went back to rushing out and buying half a team, it's not as if we're looking at relegation, quite the opposite. The gap between the 2nd and 3rd tier has never been bigger, there are some huge clubs there, and every year there are 3 new arrivals with PL parachute money that would easily build UWE and run our club for several seasons. What's the point? The point is, the next step up is a big one, this manager and owner inherited a basket case, I would rather we get the infrastructure sorted, the manager gains a bit more experience, the squad evolves and in another season or two we'll actually be ready to move up to the 2nd tier without either risking relegation and the manager having to start all over again or doing what City do and having to sack the manager every year and chuck £10,000,000 at it to achieve nothing. The thing that Wael said that has stuck with me, apart from pulling his jacket open and showing his quartered shirt and proclaiming 'I am a Gashead', was, 'this will be evolution, not revolution'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 22:19:39 GMT
i do think the january represents a bit of a watershed moment,i will be very disheartened if we dont sign 2 players with a pedigree that really looks like it would improve the team[keeper and centre-half for me]. i dont think any of the 8 signings at the start of the season improved the team in any way. to me if your just outside the play-offs but obviously have big weaknesses then the owner should push the boat out and invest in a couple of good players.
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Post by Rex on Jan 7, 2017 6:00:28 GMT
For purely, selfish, personal reasons, I desperately hope we win today. I'm not sure I can cope with reading the forum if we suffer back to back defeats.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jan 7, 2017 8:39:58 GMT
Wael's not been here a year yet and he's ticked all the right boxes so far - you only have to look at the home attendances and the progression with the training ground to see that. The loanees returning to their parent clubs clears the decks for new signings during the window, which, incidently, has only just opened. I'm still buzzing from the back-to-back promotions and our league position a few points off the playoffs, just like our two promotion seasons at this point. Clarke delivered then and, while not belonging to the 'in Clarke we trust' servile school of thought, I do believe he has what it takes to raise the bar another notch and help fulfil the true potential of this wonderful club of ours. The next few weeks may turn out to be the most historical yet. UTG. Upwards and onwards!
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 7, 2017 9:21:46 GMT
If you look at the BBC transfer page, there is hardly anyhting junping out at you, that makes you think we could/should of got them yet.
Unless people want to astound me with their knowledge
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 7, 2017 10:32:21 GMT
I am a massive Al-Qadi fan and totally get the evolution not revolution message. Recent frustrations are due to over-achievement on the pitch. No-one expected us to be in a play-off position at the end of October. So naturally enough expectations rise - talk of a third successive promotion were whispered. Back to reality and we got 'found out'. In itself that isn't a problem. And if we put a decent XI out should still be capable of a mid-table finish, which overall is a very fine achievement. BUT. Putting out a side unable to compete is not acceptable to many fans and that includes me. I understand why we are not prepared to gamble on splashing money on decent players to push for a play-off place. Even if we fluked it and went up, we would not be able to compete in the Championship. But it goes against the grain to put out a side to lose / nick a 0-0 draw at best. And that was what DC did on Monday. That is why people are p*ssed off.
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Post by Wickwar Gas on Jan 7, 2017 10:32:40 GMT
Just for clarity; That was an Arrrrgggghhhhhh of despair, Not a Pirate Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr of agreement. O'Toole can do one. It was despair…......
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 7, 2017 11:11:07 GMT
I am a massive Al-Qadi fan and totally get the evolution not revolution message. Recent frustrations are due to over-achievement on the pitch. No-one expected us to be in a play-off position at the end of October. So naturally enough expectations rise - talk of a third successive promotion were whispered. Back to reality and we got 'found out'. In itself that isn't a problem. And if we put a decent XI out should still be capable of a mid-table finish, which overall is a very fine achievement. BUT. Putting out a side unable to compete is not acceptable to many fans and that includes me. I understand why we are not prepared to gamble on splashing money on decent players to push for a play-off place. Even if we fluked it and went up, we would not be able to compete in the Championship. But it goes against the grain to put out a side to lose / nick a 0-0 draw at best. And that was what DC did on Monday. That is why people are p*ssed off. I dont think DC would ever put out a side to lose, but in what way would you say it goes against the grain to try an nick a 0-0 draw? Do you mean it isnt DCs usual way? Its not like it isnt what plenty of teams do when they come to us Maybe he gave some players one last chance to shine and prove him wrong? Dont forget we went 1 up, whether against the run of play or not and put ourselves in a position to win the game
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 7, 2017 11:25:20 GMT
I am convinced the more I read some of the criticism that we aren't doing enough to get promotion, that DC doesn't want promotion, that we haven't signed any players, etc etc that some actually hanker after the old days of Higgs etc. Surely with him in charge we would be top of the league in a shinny new stadium.... and we would have had that bus tour! Bloody short memories some, mind you I wonder when GoDs book is out so that we can know the full story behind everything.... he's obviously missed the Christmas sales perhaps he's going for Easter! I think your talking nonsense if you're saying fans are hankering after the old days of Higgs, but what fans would like to see is DC being given some funds to actually improve the squad, his permanent summer signings of Hartley & Moore have hardly set the club alight and two of the loan players, James & Roos have been flops and three of the others have now returned to their parent clubs. The concern about DC now saying he's waiting to the summer is that fund are so tight that's just an excuse to cover up the fact we won't be signing any quality players. DC even seems to be playing down the new goalies arrival saying last it's just a trial like the other players he's had in on trial recently. As far as the training ground unless I've missed the announcement I've not seen it confirmed we've actually purchased the land now? DC has said he has money. He couldn't spend a fortune in the summer because he kept a promise to the team that got us back to back promotions that he would give them a year contract to prove themselves in the higher division. We have/had 35 professionals on the books I believe... We are just at the beginning of the transfer window and people are losing the plot because we haven't brought players in yet whereas City82 have! Some of the crap being written on the forums and social media by so called supporters is unbelievable. DC has always played things down apart from when we got relegated and promoted then he let his emotions out. I have not seen him big up any new signings as it puts pressure on the individuals. That is why I trust his judgement but respect your opinion to think I am talking nonsense.....
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Post by The Concept on Jan 7, 2017 12:13:08 GMT
I am a massive Al-Qadi fan and totally get the evolution not revolution message. Recent frustrations are due to over-achievement on the pitch. No-one expected us to be in a play-off position at the end of October. So naturally enough expectations rise - talk of a third successive promotion were whispered. Back to reality and we got 'found out'. In itself that isn't a problem. And if we put a decent XI out should still be capable of a mid-table finish, which overall is a very fine achievement. BUT. Putting out a side unable to compete is not acceptable to many fans and that includes me. I understand why we are not prepared to gamble on splashing money on decent players to push for a play-off place. Even if we fluked it and went up, we would not be able to compete in the Championship. But it goes against the grain to put out a side to lose / nick a 0-0 draw at best. And that was what DC did on Monday. That is why people are p*ssed off. Don't agree with that. We took the lead. We spent the majority of the first half in their half, controlling possession. Charlton couldn't get in the game until just before they equalised.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 7, 2017 12:46:51 GMT
First 30 minutes we did better then anyone expected. We controlled the ball without ever looking threatening and kept Charlton at bay. They made a mistake and Easter finished well. We were then totally overran as a leaky defence lacked any protection from a slow, uncompetitive midfield. We were left chasing shadows for 60 minutes and the result was utterly inevitable. We were lucky to only go down 1-4. Do I ever want to see Rovers put out a side to try and nick a 0-0? No I f******g don't. It's never worked in the 30 years I've been watching Rovers and never will do. If DC wants to try this on a regular basis - please let us know beforehand so that we don't waste time and money going to (literally) pointless games.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 7, 2017 13:10:52 GMT
This! ^^^^^
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Post by alloutofgas on Jan 7, 2017 13:33:30 GMT
First 30 minutes we did better then anyone expected. We controlled the ball without ever looking threatening and kept Charlton at bay. They made a mistake and Easter finished well. We were then totally overran as a leaky defence lacked any protection from a slow, uncompetitive midfield. We were left chasing shadows for 60 minutes and the result was utterly inevitable. We were lucky to only go down 1-4. Do I ever want to see Rovers put out a side to try and nick a 0-0? No I f******g don't. It's never worked in the 30 years I've been watching Rovers and never will do. If DC wants to try this on a regular basis - please let us know beforehand so that we don't waste time and money going to (literally) pointless games. My lad keeps badgering me to attend more away games. I will simply read Epping Gas's above post. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 14:26:38 GMT
First 30 minutes we did better then anyone expected. We controlled the ball without ever looking threatening and kept Charlton at bay. They made a mistake and Easter finished well. We were then totally overran as a leaky defence lacked any protection from a slow, uncompetitive midfield. We were left chasing shadows for 60 minutes and the result was utterly inevitable. We were lucky to only go down 1-4. Do I ever want to see Rovers put out a side to try and nick a 0-0? No I f******g don't. It's never worked in the 30 years I've been watching Rovers and never will do. If DC wants to try this on a regular basis - please let us know beforehand so that we don't waste time and money going to (literally) pointless games. My lad keeps badgering me to attend more away games. I will simply read Epping Gas's above post. Thank you. Because it happened once?
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Post by alloutofgas on Jan 7, 2017 15:28:51 GMT
Actually no. He pleaded me to go to Sheff Utd, Millwall, and a few others we lost at. However, he just got away with it at MK Dons. I do pick and choose my away games nowadays. Fleetwood next week a possibility.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 7, 2017 15:33:07 GMT
Great news Gas 4-0 up after 30 minutes! Fantastic Harrison 7 minute hat-trick! Amazing what can happen when you put out your best XI and play attacking football from the off in a 4-4-2 formation. I stand by every critical word I wrote about the Charlton game.
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Post by alloutofgas on Jan 7, 2017 15:54:15 GMT
Great news Gas 4-0 up after 30 minutes! Fantastic Harrison 7 minute hat-trick! Amazing what can happen when you put out your best XI and play attacking football from the off in a 4-4-2 formation. I stand by every critical word I wrote about the Charlton game. I'm confused, does that make you a 'rose tinter' or a 'belter'?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 7, 2017 15:56:07 GMT
It's great when we play to our potential.
Almost in complete control..
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