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Post by warehamgas on Jan 10, 2017 16:58:55 GMT
Thankfully Bamber!! UTG!
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Post by Rex on Jan 10, 2017 17:30:11 GMT
You're either promoted or not. It's black and white. We were too good for both those leagues and are currently 8th in this one. Had the referee applied the rules correctly at Wembley though, we may well not have been 'too good' for the Conference. But he didn't, so it looks like we were. Had the referee applied the rules correctly at Dover though, we would have been promoted in top spot.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 10, 2017 18:15:34 GMT
Please don't apply logic it isn't liked by some
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 18:29:42 GMT
Had the referee applied the rules correctly at Wembley though, we may well not have been 'too good' for the Conference. But he didn't, so it looks like we were. If my aunty had a cock she'd be my uncle. No, she would just be a hermaphrodite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 18:30:50 GMT
Had the referee applied the rules correctly at Wembley though, we may well not have been 'too good' for the Conference. But he didn't, so it looks like we were. Had the referee applied the rules correctly at Dover though, we would have been promoted in top spot. Had Puddy not thought he was playing 'hot potato' etc etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 18:45:44 GMT
I think some people must just default to doom and despondency. A promotion might act like a temporary emollient, but soon wears off and the outraged despair returns and swamps all reality.
'The squad is all wrong - it's basically the same people who played in the Conference. Disaster is assured.' We're 8th in League 1. 'Tinkerman and his bl00dy rotation is haemorrhaging us points. Disaster is guaranteed'. We're 8th. 'Displays like at Charlton are bound to hit attendances.' Attendances are higher than I can ever remember (and I'm knocking on). 'The ground and / or training ground have not been visibly progressed, therefore clearly aren't happening.' Were they ever? At least we have credible people progressing them with a belief that they will do at some stage.
Like Rex says, teams lose football matches. This one wins more than it loses. After years of absolute dross, the basics are right. By all means discuss the merits of particular selections and performances, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth and the focusing on an imperfection you think you've spotted in the diamond is perverse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 18:55:14 GMT
I'm not sure that I've mentally adjusted this to understand it the right way - apologies if not. Maybe his rotation system is a crucial part of the mix that allows his team to kick asses. Remember McGhee? The same favourites every game, going through the motions, and not kicking any asses. Against that, I'll go with rotation. Maybe it's not always just about getting us through to 5pm, but running a squad over a season. You might get us top 4 all day long, but probably only until about the end of September: DC aims for May. But the present manager isn't trying to do it with a team built around a group of washed up Scottish players. Exactly. He's built a good squad of decent pros, he bonds and motivates it, and he can rotate it however he wants as far as I'm concerned. I remember the alternative.
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Post by c4h10 on Jan 10, 2017 19:01:13 GMT
If my aunty had a cock she'd be my uncle. No, she would just be a hermaphrodite. Well, in that case she can just go and........oh, never mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 19:12:02 GMT
But the present manager isn't trying to do it with a team built around a group of washed up Scottish players. Exactly. He's built a good squad of decent pros, he bonds and motivates it, and he can rotate it however he wants as far as I'm concerned. I remember the alternative. Incredible that the bond remains after they get turned over, plenty of teams would start looking for someone to blame. What's that car all about, isn't it supposed to be 1930 or something where you live?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 20:38:39 GMT
Jesus. Bamber, we finished 2nd and 3rd because we deserved to do so. Why always try and find fault where there isn't any?
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jan 10, 2017 20:45:41 GMT
King James Bible-Phillipians.Ch 4. Verse 11. Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jan 11, 2017 5:09:25 GMT
I wonder what the ROI has been from the loan players that we have had from the start of the season. Considering salaries etc do we think it's a system that provides value and appropriate resource?
Is it not necessary a reflection on the loan players skill but more so on their motivation or how we may treat them differently compared to 'permanent' players?
I remember being a student and having loads of temp jobs (shout out to KTS Recruitment, Kingswood). The companies regarded temp workers as a necessity win times of peak work and where the existing resources couldn't cope (even with overtime). A lot of the temps were students or new graduates who were doing jobs above their 'skillset' at the time (it was really menial work). The thing was that temp workers always felt second class, had trouble setting in as both they and the permanent workers knew they were temporary and thus morale wasn't the same. We always left at 5pm on the dot. I wonder if loanees have a related experience to temps - they can perform better but they psychologically don't feel part of the organisation. Perhaps that's why loan players seem unrepresentative of the division of football their parent club belongs to.
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Post by Rex on Jan 11, 2017 7:18:54 GMT
I wonder what the ROI has been from the loan players that we have had from the start of the season. Considering salaries etc do we think it's a system that provides value and appropriate resource?
Is it not necessary a reflection on the loan players skill but more so on their motivation or how we may treat them differently compared to 'permanent' players? I remember being a student and having loads of temp jobs (shout out to KTS Recruitment, Kingswood). The companies regarded temp workers as a necessity win times of peak work and where the existing resources couldn't cope (even with overtime). A lot of the temps were students or new graduates who were doing jobs above their 'skillset' at the time (it was really menial work). The thing was that temp workers always felt second class, had trouble setting in as both they and the permanent workers knew they were temporary and thus morale wasn't the same. We always left at 5pm on the dot. I wonder if loanees have a related experience to temps - they can perform better but they psychologically don't feel part of the organisation. Perhaps that's why loan players seem unrepresentative of the division of football their parent club belongs to. The day they attempt to seriously measure the ROI of a player, is when we might as well all pack it in. You cannot measure success in football, it is just opinion. I know some people like to apply business principles to football, but you really can't , it is just a game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 9:52:20 GMT
Jesus. Bamber, we finished 2nd and 3rd because we deserved to do so. Why always try and find fault where there isn't any? Have had a look up and down the thread, can't see where I've said that we didn't deserve to finish 2nd and 3rd, so well done, you've found fault where there isn't any. Go try to annoy someone else, I'm not interested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 11:18:10 GMT
Jesus. Bamber, we finished 2nd and 3rd because we deserved to do so. Why always try and find fault where there isn't any? Have had a look up and down the thread, can't see where I've said that we didn't deserve to finish 2nd and 3rd, so well done, you've found fault where there isn't any. Go try to annoy someone else, I'm not interested. Not in this thread, no. It was just a remark about perceived whining in general. I wouldn't waste my breath trying to "annoy" someone I don't know. Apologies etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 13:03:24 GMT
Have had a look up and down the thread, can't see where I've said that we didn't deserve to finish 2nd and 3rd, so well done, you've found fault where there isn't any. Go try to annoy someone else, I'm not interested. Not in this thread, no. It was just a remark about perceived whining in general. I wouldn't waste my breath trying to "annoy" someone I don't know. Apologies etc. Admit it, you miss me.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 11, 2017 15:01:19 GMT
Yes it's frustrating but we are kicking a lot of first division asses with what is basically a conference team a dangerous game to play I know but there seem to be no signs of implosion without Clarkes aversion to a so called rotation system I'm convinced we would be top 4 all day long. its not a conference team though is it? mildenhall,brown,mcchrystal and lines all had decent league careers before the relegation and harrison,sinclair,leadbitter,lockyer,ollie clarke and matty taylor have all held there own or better in league 1 so how can you say there "basically a conference team"? am i the only person that finds this "conference team slur" imbecilic ? No you're not but it's bound to be used. Lazy journalism and lack of knowledge plus a little romanticism
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 11, 2017 15:07:27 GMT
King James Bible-Phillipians.Ch 4. Verse 11. Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. Great quote fella
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 11, 2017 15:10:30 GMT
I wonder what the ROI has been from the loan players that we have had from the start of the season. Considering salaries etc do we think it's a system that provides value and appropriate resource? Is it not necessary a reflection on the loan players skill but more so on their motivation or how we may treat them differently compared to 'permanent' players? I remember being a student and having loads of temp jobs (shout out to KTS Recruitment, Kingswood). The companies regarded temp workers as a necessity win times of peak work and where the existing resources couldn't cope (even with overtime). A lot of the temps were students or new graduates who were doing jobs above their 'skillset' at the time (it was really menial work). The thing was that temp workers always felt second class, had trouble setting in as both they and the permanent workers knew they were temporary and thus morale wasn't the same. We always left at 5pm on the dot. I wonder if loanees have a related experience to temps - they can perform better but they psychologically don't feel part of the organisation. Perhaps that's why loan players seem unrepresentative of the division of football their parent club belongs to. I can think of one person who told us Roos couldn't even make Derby's 4 team yet we picked him. It's all a bit weird
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 11, 2017 15:48:43 GMT
I wonder what the ROI has been from the loan players that we have had from the start of the season. Considering salaries etc do we think it's a system that provides value and appropriate resource? Is it not necessary a reflection on the loan players skill but more so on their motivation or how we may treat them differently compared to 'permanent' players? I remember being a student and having loads of temp jobs (shout out to KTS Recruitment, Kingswood). The companies regarded temp workers as a necessity win times of peak work and where the existing resources couldn't cope (even with overtime). A lot of the temps were students or new graduates who were doing jobs above their 'skillset' at the time (it was really menial work). The thing was that temp workers always felt second class, had trouble setting in as both they and the permanent workers knew they were temporary and thus morale wasn't the same. We always left at 5pm on the dot. I wonder if loanees have a related experience to temps - they can perform better but they psychologically don't feel part of the organisation. Perhaps that's why loan players seem unrepresentative of the division of football their parent club belongs to. I can think of one person who told us Roos couldn't even make Derby's 4 team yet we picked him. It's all a bit weird yeah, but he played the back end of Wimbledon's season last year. You have to assume 'we' saw enough of him to think he would be okay and it wasn't a complete blind deal.
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