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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 15, 2016 9:01:38 GMT
Im assuming.to move into a new training ground in March 17 on land we havent bought yet or presumably got planning permission for that we might have a pitch and a couple of portakabins Don't forget Santa's grotto as well........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:56:53 GMT
Mostly correct IMO but not sure about original plan being correct. It will be because if the plan gets changed then it will have to go through the planning process again, Wael wanted to build it to 35000 right from the start because there's no VAT to pay on new builds but because of the planning he will stick to the original layout etc The VAT zero rating on new builds is for housing and buildings used for a "relevant charitable purpose". Some of our pre DC defending was charitable to the opposition, but I don't think that's what is meant ☺
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Post by pirateduncan on Sept 15, 2016 16:52:44 GMT
FWIW I don't see how having the biggest squad in our history is a sign of a success (though I do agree about keeping our best players). Personally that suggests to me a bloated squad which should do better. That aside (because I really think DC has earned the right to do it his way regardless of my opinion), I would like to see things moving more quickly but it takes time to build a football club. Frustrating as it is, I'm afraid patience must be afforded to the new owners. Not because they're anybody but Higgs and Dunford, but because building a sustainable football club takes years, decades even.
Nevertheless the funding being in place (and presumably having been some time) is hardly worth the paper it's written on regardless of who says it. They have a real platform to build upon long term. It will take time, but if they get it right it could be the dawning of the greatest era in Rovers' history. I think a slow re-build is likely the only possible way to achieve any genuine success. That's all we asked for in previous difficult years, let's not raise expectations beacuse it's a wealthy foreign owner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 18:40:26 GMT
I don't think it's taking 'too long' for a project of its size and significance, which they inherited, not in a shovel-ready state, only seven months ago. They're not giving a running commentary or over-promising in a William Big-Bollox style, trying to impress and / or fob off.
Put those two together and we get a period of silence, ahead of saying something solid and significant. That's okay for me. I don't think it need signify no or unsatisfactory progress. When asked about finance he said that was fine and not the issue. Unfortunately, that can be equated to 'the funds are in place and .... ' as an echo of previous misdirection and alarm bells ring again. I think we must have been conditioned that way. The thing is, in the real world, these things do actually happen and these statements can be true.
I'm happy to give it a fair bit longer, given the time period isn't excessive, and these people have credibility.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 15, 2016 18:45:19 GMT
Hinkley C or Rome was not built in a day...a super designed new purpose built football stadium to grace the West Country is well over due but worth waiting for rather than a plastic refurb job like the one at BS3
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 18:48:30 GMT
Mostly correct IMO but not sure about original plan being correct. It will be because if the plan gets changed then it will have to go through the planning process again, Wael wanted to build it to 35000 right from the start because there's no VAT to pay on new builds but because of the planning he will stick to the original layout etc Well if it is a case of sticking to original plans then it will be more than football to look forward to. Unless it was a dream I'm sure original plans were for a pitch long supporters bar with views to the pitch, divided in half on match day but opened up in evenings for live music with a 3k capacity, happy days if that is the case.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 16, 2016 6:57:51 GMT
It will be because if the plan gets changed then it will have to go through the planning process again, Wael wanted to build it to 35000 right from the start because there's no VAT to pay on new builds but because of the planning he will stick to the original layout etc Well if it is a case of sticking to original plans then it will be more than football to look forward to. Unless it was a dream I'm sure original plans were for a pitch long supporters bar with views to the pitch, divided in half on match day but opened up in evenings for live music with a 3k capacity, happy days if that is the case. and don't forget the match day restaurants will be opened up during non match day periods to cater for the "converted exec box to hotel customers" to use
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Post by bs5 on Sept 16, 2016 7:42:27 GMT
It will be because if the plan gets changed then it will have to go through the planning process again, Wael wanted to build it to 35000 right from the start because there's no VAT to pay on new builds but because of the planning he will stick to the original layout etc The VAT zero rating on new builds is for housing and buildings used for a "relevant charitable purpose". Some of our pre DC defending was charitable to the opposition, but I don't think that's what is meant ☺ The new build is VAT free trust me on this , Landsdown though had to weigh in with 20% on his refurb because it was exactly that a refurb
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 8:16:38 GMT
The VAT zero rating on new builds is for housing and buildings used for a "relevant charitable purpose". Some of our pre DC defending was charitable to the opposition, but I don't think that's what is meant ☺ The new build is VAT free trust me on this , Landsdown though had to weigh in with 20% on his refurb because it was exactly that a refurb Who owns the land, who will own the stadium and who will lease/let what to who are all contributory factors here. My head hurts! All that aside, it's exciting times and Lansdown is a twat...you missed out that bit ☺ UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 10:42:12 GMT
can i just say i think the rabbles ground looks good
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Post by alloutofgas on Sept 16, 2016 10:48:41 GMT
Can't be too negative about Landsdown, at least he's put his money where his mouth is, had a good go at Ashton Vale but came up against the same types we had to deal with so re developed the s**t Pit. I will be visiting there at some point with Bath Rugby. I'm sure Wael is fully aware of bragging rights etc, be nice if the eventual capacity shades theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 12:17:19 GMT
I might be out of line here, and maybe it's to do with life locations, but I find this focus on being one-up on a non-descript football club that isn't on most people's radar all a bit sad. Let's be us, and as good as possible. If we must have a benchmark to measure and define ourselves against (but, honestly, things are better without), at least chose one better than that. I want a ground that's fit for purpose now and enables higher standards of football and the crowds that go with it. I don't want one so that I can point at it to people who won't go to it. One of the (many) good things about the new ownership is that Jordanians won't default to this low horizon parochialism.
Probably a bit grumpy, there. Sorry (but the thought stands).
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 16, 2016 12:29:30 GMT
I might be out of line here, and maybe it's to do with life locations, but I find this focus on being one-up on a non-descript football club that isn't on most people's radar all a bit sad. Let's be us, and as good as possible. If we must have a benchmark to measure and define ourselves against (but, honestly, things are better without), at least chose one better than that. I want a ground that's fit for purpose now and enables higher standards of football and the crowds that go with it. I don't want one so that I can point at it to people who won't go to it. One of the (many) good things about the new ownership is that Jordanians won't default to this low horizon parochialism. Probably a bit grumpy, there. Sorry (but the thought stands). Nothing Grumpy there Seth, my thoughts as well
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 16, 2016 12:37:51 GMT
as Gary Barlow wrote and was quoted by Rick Johansen in his excellent article in Rovers award winning matchday programme (now 84 pages for just £3 highly recommended) for Saturday's match against Rochdale .."have a little patience" ... We have waited many decades for a new stadium another few months wont hurt us.
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Post by zulugas on Sept 16, 2016 14:14:09 GMT
I might be out of line here, and maybe it's to do with life locations, but I find this focus on being one-up on a non-descript football club that isn't on most people's radar all a bit sad. Let's be us, and as good as possible. If we must have a benchmark to measure and define ourselves against (but, honestly, things are better without), at least chose one better than that. I want a ground that's fit for purpose now and enables higher standards of football and the crowds that go with it. I don't want one so that I can point at it to people who won't go to it. One of the (many) good things about the new ownership is that Jordanians won't default to this low horizon parochialism. Probably a bit grumpy, there. Sorry (but the thought stands). Here, here!! Could not care less what is happening at another football club. As long as Rovers aspire to be the best that we can be I'll be a happy Gashead!
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Post by bs5 on Sept 16, 2016 16:47:34 GMT
I might be out of line here, and maybe it's to do with life locations, but I find this focus on being one-up on a non-descript football club that isn't on most people's radar all a bit sad. Let's be us, and as good as possible. If we must have a benchmark to measure and define ourselves against (but, honestly, things are better without), at least chose one better than that. I want a ground that's fit for purpose now and enables higher standards of football and the crowds that go with it. I don't want one so that I can point at it to people who won't go to it. One of the (many) good things about the new ownership is that Jordanians won't default to this low horizon parochialism. Probably a bit grumpy, there. Sorry (but the thought stands). Here, here!! Could not care less what is happening at another football club. As long as Rovers aspire to be the best that we can be I'll be a happy Gashead! yep sound all that as long as we are bigger and better than those vile little s**theads
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Post by stevethepirate on Sept 16, 2016 17:52:39 GMT
Here, here!! Could not care less what is happening at another football club. As long as Rovers aspire to be the best that we can be I'll be a happy Gashead! yep sound all that as long as we are bigger and better than those vile little s***heads Who?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 17, 2016 12:50:55 GMT
You do realise that Barlays called the loan in that we had with them and that's why Higgs had no choice but to go with the high interest loan. We were not exactly seen as being safe. They could not get a low interest loan. I know what happened with Barclays,but that was part of a national restructuring of debts by the bank and not aimed at a small insignificant lower division football club.the hogh interest loan was taken so that if the club were forced into alleged administration the directors would not loose even more money,nothing sinister in that,having said that there were plans to cover the repayment of the loan should no new investors come along.There was never any danger of the club going into administration despite the wishes of a small number of fans You are better placed to know such intracasies but the fact that the loan was called in has to be significant regardless of what walk of life. I had it happen when I foolishly let fly with an off the cuff and flippant comment that my company was rationalising and it hit me hard and gave me unnecessary ball ache. I am not as sure as you that the old administration would have been so magnanimous in their actions should we have faced that hurdle
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 17, 2016 12:55:52 GMT
as Gary Barlow wrote and was quoted by Rick Johansen in his excellent article in Rovers award winning matchday programme (now 84 pages for just £3 highly recommended) for Saturday's match against Rochdale .."have a little patience" ... We have waited many decades for a new stadium another few months wont hurt us. The same Rick who was unceremoniously dropped from said award winning programme under the previous admin. Great to see him and others back
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 17, 2016 13:09:57 GMT
I might be out of line here, and maybe it's to do with life locations, but I find this focus on being one-up on a non-descript football club that isn't on most people's radar all a bit sad. Let's be us, and as good as possible. If we must have a benchmark to measure and define ourselves against (but, honestly, things are better without), at least chose one better than that. I want a ground that's fit for purpose now and enables higher standards of football and the crowds that go with it. I don't want one so that I can point at it to people who won't go to it. One of the (many) good things about the new ownership is that Jordanians won't default to this low horizon parochialism. Probably a bit grumpy, there. Sorry (but the thought stands). Here, here!! Could not care less what is happening at another football club. As long as Rovers aspire to be the best that we can be I'll be a happy Gashead! I sometimes think we give better team support when gates are around 6K. People now coming back and having a dig, even if deserved at times, not a great way to show the boys our support eh. BTW. No sperfan here, quite the opposite as many know
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