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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:09:44 GMT
Your not alone Vaughan, since day one of Waels arrival I have felt very positive about the long term future of the FC, it's baffling how so many people cant see that he is here to make things happen, and even more baffling that so many people are doubting this because of past failures by entirely different people, there is IMO no connection in pedigree between the present BoD and the past. Its a bit like saying I don't trust the brand new car I just bought because the old car broke down IMO! Once (or twice!) bitten and all that has to make some of sceptical, I'll be more content when Wael actually spends some money, as it's OK saying he consider DC's request for a million striker but all he has signed are a few loan players. Hopefully, in the next month or so he'll actually commit to spending millions on the training ground etc, as at the moment he could still cut his losses and walk at little cost. I would be if the same administration were still involved in the FC, but this is a totally different kettle of fish, why compare the present with the past, it makes no sense, there is absolutely no comparison! Did you not see Waels opening interview with Keith back in February when he spoke of evolution and not revolution, nothing has changed, if you feel let down not seeing the club spending big on a player then you have a long wait, the structure of the club which has been run like a pub team needs addressing, the club are working at a decent pace to put right those previous wrongs. If immediately clearing the debts and avoiding administration, having a squad of 27 players and keeping hold of our star striker (that's never happened before) all in the first six months isn't good enough for you Topper then I would suggest taking up fishing on a Saturday afternoon instead, and revisit us in our new stadium in three years. THE most important issue here to avoid what many other clubs have done IMO is to create a sense of sustainability, Wael has said several times that throwing around big money for the sake of it will not work, it may do for the top four of the Prem and much more money will need to be spent in the championship.but for now a professional club has been created and if you look around the club, ask about the new people employed by the club you will see we are most definitely going in the right direction, and at a consistent level and pace.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 12, 2016 14:26:41 GMT
Once (or twice!) bitten and all that has to make some of sceptical, I'll be more content when Wael actually spends some money, as it's OK saying he consider DC's request for a million striker but all he has signed are a few loan players. Hopefully, in the next month or so he'll actually commit to spending millions on the training ground etc, as at the moment he could still cut his losses and walk at little cost. I would be if the same administration were still involved in the FC, but this is a totally different kettle of fish, why compare the present with the past, it makes no sense, there is absolutely no comparison! Did you not see Waels opening interview with Keith back in February when he spoke of evolution and not revolution, nothing has changed, if you feel let down not seeing the club spending big on a player then you have a long wait, the structure of the club which has been run like a pub team needs addressing, the club are working at a decent pace to put right those previous wrongs. If immediately clearing the debts and avoiding administration, having a squad of 27 players and keeping hold of our star striker (that's never happened before) all in the first six months isn't good enough for you Topper then I would suggest taking up fishing on a Saturday afternoon instead, and revisit us in our new stadium in three years. THE most important issue here to avoid what many other clubs have done IMO is to create a sense of sustainability, Wael has said several times that throwing around big money for the sake of it will not work, it may do for the top four of the Prem and much more money will need to be spent in the championship.but for now a professional club has been created and if you look around the club, ask about the new people employed by the club you will see we are most definitely going in the right direction, and at a consistent level and pace. Quality Post sir, agree 100% in your considered post
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 15:09:17 GMT
Could he? Can you tell me what deal he did with Higgs? I've already asked everybody I know and nobody seems to have a clue. I'm totally chilled about UWE and Rovers' future, Wael said on day 1 that things would be done properly, not by throwing cheques around and building a house of cards, these things take time, and what's the rush, we can only possibly get promoted twice more The only information we have is Wael couldn't believe the deal he agreed with NH, I take that to mean he got the club at a knock down price, you sense it was a fire sale by NH as admin was looming once the wonga loan repayment was due. As far as debts being cleared none of us know if they've been paid off or just transferred to Dwane Sports. As I said the next month or so will be interesting, as Wael will have to commit to paying out, or at least guaranteeing, some big payments. I cannot for the life of me see where the talk of administration came from,apart from this forum.The only outside debt the club had was the loan,the directors were owed at least twice that figure,who in their right mind would throw away 6 million pounds,when together the board could have raised that sum,then did what the Glaziers did and take out a low cost loan to cover all the debts and secure them on the ground.Throwing 6 million plus away is like turkeys voting for xmas,can you just imagine what NHs family would have said if he did that?
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 12, 2016 15:29:51 GMT
The only information we have is Wael couldn't believe the deal he agreed with NH, I take that to mean he got the club at a knock down price, you sense it was a fire sale by NH as admin was looming once the wonga loan repayment was due. As far as debts being cleared none of us know if they've been paid off or just transferred to Dwane Sports. As I said the next month or so will be interesting, as Wael will have to commit to paying out, or at least guaranteeing, some big payments. I cannot for the life of me see where the talk of administration came from,apart from this forum.The only outside debt the club had was the loan,the directors were owed at least twice that figure,who in their right mind would throw away 6 million pounds,when together the board could have raised that sum,then did what the Glaziers did and take out a low cost loan to cover all the debts and secure them on the ground.Throwing 6 million plus away is like turkeys voting for xmas,can you just imagine what NHs family would have said if he did that? I dont know about Admin, but NH and co clearly didnt have the money to carry on, although NH appeared to want to.carry on in some form if the story of Geoff stepping in is true No one can say for sure except NH as to what would have happend with the Sainsburies case, but I cant help feel he would have chased it to the bitter end and to what consequence with the MSP loan who knows
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 12, 2016 15:57:57 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see where the talk of administration came from,apart from this forum.The only outside debt the club had was the loan,the directors were owed at least twice that figure,who in their right mind would throw away 6 million pounds,when together the board could have raised that sum,then did what the Glaziers did and take out a low cost loan to cover all the debts and secure them on the ground.Throwing 6 million plus away is like turkeys voting for xmas,can you just imagine what NHs family would have said if he did that? I dont know about Admin, but NH and co clearly didnt have the money to carry on, although NH appeared to want to.carry on in some form if the story of Geoff stepping in is true No one can say for sure except NH as to what would have happend with the Sainsburies case, but I cant help feel he would have chased it to the bitter end and to what consequence with the MSP loan who knows TW virtually admitted the case was lost and only kept running so they could find a buyer/keep their heads about water. It's OK saying with the Mem worth £10m+ the that club was solvent but NH could hardly sell the Mem and then leave the club homeless. It's not like he was just selling our best player for millions. If Wael hadn't come along I've no idea what NH's plan was to clear the wonga loan and I doubt he knew himself. As far being disappointed we've not spent big on transfers, mentioning that we didn't and being disappointed are two entirely separate things.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2016 16:37:29 GMT
Once (or twice!) bitten and all that has to make some of sceptical, I'll be more content when Wael actually spends some money, as it's OK saying he consider DC's request for a million striker but all he has signed are a few loan players. Hopefully, in the next month or so he'll actually commit to spending millions on the training ground etc, as at the moment he could still cut his losses and walk at little cost. Could he? Can you tell me what deal he did with Higgs? I've already asked everybody I know and nobody seems to have a clue. I'm totally chilled about UWE and Rovers' future, Wael said on day 1 that things would be done properly, not by throwing cheques around and building a house of cards, these things take time, and what's the rush, we can only possibly get promoted twice more @bambergasgroin. For what was said and in the way one of the old directors was upset that he apparently didn't get paid,for buying the house on the corner, my own belief is that it was basically what the ground was worth ( anyone's guess ) plus the debts to directors, debts on books, were paid back. There has been some chatter on this topic and many have said it was a bargain basement deal. Not saying this is fact but it's what I think based in the stuff I have heard.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2016 17:06:17 GMT
Could he? Can you tell me what deal he did with Higgs? I've already asked everybody I know and nobody seems to have a clue. I'm totally chilled about UWE and Rovers' future, Wael said on day 1 that things would be done properly, not by throwing cheques around and building a house of cards, these things take time, and what's the rush, we can only possibly get promoted twice more The only information we have is Wael couldn't believe the deal he agreed with NH, I take that to mean he got the club at a knock down price, you sense it was a fire sale by NH as admin was looming once the wonga loan repayment was due. As far as debts being cleared none of us know if they've been paid off or just transferred to Dwane Sports. As I said the next month or so will be interesting, as Wael will have to commit to paying out, or at least guaranteeing, some big payments. I think that too many have been reading one turd in Bristol and are now buying into the crap they are planting. So what if it's Dwane sports ? That's still the family company and makes all debt internal. The Sainsburys one is the only outstanding as far as I know. I don't know what else the guy can do for some to understand his vision for the club. I guess some would like Nick back, he certainly spent some money on players and long contacts and that worked well eh. I sometimes despair when I read stuff like this. It's not taking long for the old doubters and moaners to surface. All in it together my hairy arse
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 17:08:52 GMT
Could he? Can you tell me what deal he did with Higgs? I've already asked everybody I know and nobody seems to have a clue. I'm totally chilled about UWE and Rovers' future, Wael said on day 1 that things would be done properly, not by throwing cheques around and building a house of cards, these things take time, and what's the rush, we can only possibly get promoted twice more @bambergasgroin . For what was said and in the way one of the old directors was upset that he apparently didn't get paid,for buying the house on the corner, my own belief is that it was basically what the ground was worth ( anyone's guess ) plus the debts to directors, debts on books, were paid back. There has been some chatter on this topic and many have said it was a bargain basement deal. Not saying this is fact but it's what I think based in the stuff I have heard. Who cares though, Higgs and Watola are gone. The club is owned by a gentleman who is quietly going about laying foundations for a sustainable club rather than boasting about 'competitive budgets' and digging us into a massive hole with 'watertight contracts'.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2016 17:12:30 GMT
Once (or twice!) bitten and all that has to make some of sceptical, I'll be more content when Wael actually spends some money, as it's OK saying he consider DC's request for a million striker but all he has signed are a few loan players. Hopefully, in the next month or so he'll actually commit to spending millions on the training ground etc, as at the moment he could still cut his losses and walk at little cost. I would be if the same administration were still involved in the FC, but this is a totally different kettle of fish, why compare the present with the past, it makes no sense, there is absolutely no comparison! Did you not see Waels opening interview with Keith back in February when he spoke of evolution and not revolution, nothing has changed, if you feel let down not seeing the club spending big on a player then you have a long wait, the structure of the club which has been run like a pub team needs addressing, the club are working at a decent pace to put right those previous wrongs. If immediately clearing the debts and avoiding administration, having a squad of 27 players and keeping hold of our star striker (that's never happened before) all in the first six months isn't good enough for you Topper then I would suggest taking up fishing on a Saturday afternoon instead, and revisit us in our new stadium in three years. THE most important issue here to avoid what many other clubs have done IMO is to create a sense of sustainability, Wael has said several times that throwing around big money for the sake of it will not work, it may do for the top four of the Prem and much more money will need to be spent in the championship.but for now a professional club has been created and if you look around the club, ask about the new people employed by the club you will see we are most definitely going in the right direction, and at a consistent level and pace. Top post mate. Thank god for people like you. I can sometimes get low when I read the unsubstantiated nonsense. Some only want to see the big signings and that's progress. Anyway, thanks. I needed that
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2016 17:16:27 GMT
The only information we have is Wael couldn't believe the deal he agreed with NH, I take that to mean he got the club at a knock down price, you sense it was a fire sale by NH as admin was looming once the wonga loan repayment was due. As far as debts being cleared none of us know if they've been paid off or just transferred to Dwane Sports. As I said the next month or so will be interesting, as Wael will have to commit to paying out, or at least guaranteeing, some big payments. I cannot for the life of me see where the talk of administration came from,apart from this forum.The only outside debt the club had was the loan,the directors were owed at least twice that figure,who in their right mind would throw away 6 million pounds,when together the board could have raised that sum,then did what the Glaziers did and take out a low cost loan to cover all the debts and secure them on the ground.Throwing 6 million plus away is like turkeys voting for xmas,can you just imagine what NHs family would have said if he did that? You do realise that Barlays called the loan in that we had with them and that's why Higgs had no choice but to go with the high interest loan. We were not exactly seen as being safe. They could not get a low interest loan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 17:24:57 GMT
I dont know about Admin, but NH and co clearly didnt have the money to carry on, although NH appeared to want to.carry on in some form if the story of Geoff stepping in is true No one can say for sure except NH as to what would have happend with the Sainsburies case, but I cant help feel he would have chased it to the bitter end and to what consequence with the MSP loan who knows TW virtually admitted the case was lost and only kept running so they could find a buyer/keep their heads about water. It's OK saying with the Mem worth £10m+ the that club was solvent but NH could hardly sell the Mem and then leave the club homeless. It's not like he was just selling our best player for millions. If Wael hadn't come along I've no idea what NH's plan was to clear the wonga loan and I doubt he knew himself. As far being disappointed we've not spent big on transfers, mentioning that we didn't and being disappointed are two entirely separate things. I'm totally sure that he had a plan. As majority share holder there's no way on earth he was going to hand over control of a £15m asset (and leave Rovers homeless) for the sake of a £2m debt. Unless of course he couldn't raise £2m elsewhere, and given what he got from the sale of Cowlin, it's probably fair to assume that he wasn't down to his last £2m quite yet. My gut feeling is that the whole Wonga fiasco was an ill-advised attempt to put pressure on Sainsbury's, interest at £36,000 per-month used as a lever to try to get them to settle. Of course, I could be wrong, I usually am. Edit. Yes, KP, the Barclays loan did get called in, or so we are told, but didn't they say publicly that the Wonga loan was needed to allow the club to continue the legal case against Sainsbury's, or did I dream that?
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Post by vaughan on Sept 12, 2016 17:45:18 GMT
I wrote to the Green un in 1976/7 season (aged 12) bemoaning the sale of Bannister, so no-one can label me a sycophant. As 1986Gas put it so eloquently, this is a totally different kettle of fish. Let's resume this thread in over an hour's time when we have had time to evaluate further impressions gleaned from the Inside West feature. I think some will struggle with the loss of Rag-bag Rovers and the so-called romanticism that came with that. However, for me personally, I've often been scratching my head for 40 years, muttering "why" and dreaming of an age of professionalism.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 18:01:03 GMT
I would be if the same administration were still involved in the FC, but this is a totally different kettle of fish, why compare the present with the past, it makes no sense, there is absolutely no comparison! Did you not see Waels opening interview with Keith back in February when he spoke of evolution and not revolution, nothing has changed, if you feel let down not seeing the club spending big on a player then you have a long wait, the structure of the club which has been run like a pub team needs addressing, the club are working at a decent pace to put right those previous wrongs. If immediately clearing the debts and avoiding administration, having a squad of 27 players and keeping hold of our star striker (that's never happened before) all in the first six months isn't good enough for you Topper then I would suggest taking up fishing on a Saturday afternoon instead, and revisit us in our new stadium in three years. THE most important issue here to avoid what many other clubs have done IMO is to create a sense of sustainability, Wael has said several times that throwing around big money for the sake of it will not work, it may do for the top four of the Prem and much more money will need to be spent in the championship.but for now a professional club has been created and if you look around the club, ask about the new people employed by the club you will see we are most definitely going in the right direction, and at a consistent level and pace. Top post mate. Thank god for people like you. I can sometimes get low when I read the unsubstantiated nonsense. Some only want to see the big signings and that's progress. Anyway, thanks. I needed that Your the same as me KP, I find it mentally exhausting when people spend hours trying to find fault in a club that is clearly on the up, both on and off the pitch. Luckily this forum by and large is a safe haven from the noise and mental fragility of fans with nothing better to do than chip away at the new owners, I've read the school playground forum and don't recognise the connection between many of the comments and the meaning of a true football supporter.
I've been caught out on many occasions in business by shady characters, but from the point of meeting someone I will always take at face value and believe in their words, some say that is naïve, but if the opposite is disbelieving people from the outset then nothing would be achieved!
WAQ has been as good as his words so far, steady progress, if a list of achievements in the last 6 months were to be drawn up then I think the majority of what has been achieved just never existed in the past, and in return for what? A growing group of whingers, and yet the man that so nearly took the club to the brink of financial meltdown ignored the many supporters who offered to help the club and ran the club like a pub side went largely unchallenged! Brings back the old school northern phrase of ''there's nowt so queer as folk''
The thing that is annoying is the lazy fan who gets negative about issues that cannot be resolved overnight, why isn't the stadium built yet! And is too damn lazy to look at what has been achieved behind the scenes, the new staff, the new BoD, keeping hold of our prize asset, the largest squad that I can recall Rovers having with plenty of talent.
Unfortunately though KP for some it is never enough, and those people don't stop to think or probably care how mentally draining it is for the rest of us to have to read.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 13:54:35 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see where the talk of administration came from,apart from this forum.The only outside debt the club had was the loan,the directors were owed at least twice that figure,who in their right mind would throw away 6 million pounds,when together the board could have raised that sum,then did what the Glaziers did and take out a low cost loan to cover all the debts and secure them on the ground.Throwing 6 million plus away is like turkeys voting for xmas,can you just imagine what NHs family would have said if he did that? You do realise that Barlays called the loan in that we had with them and that's why Higgs had no choice but to go with the high interest loan. We were not exactly seen as being safe. They could not get a low interest loan. I know what happened with Barclays,but that was part of a national restructuring of debts by the bank and not aimed at a small insignificant lower division football club.the hogh interest loan was taken so that if the club were forced into alleged administration the directors would not loose even more money,nothing sinister in that,having said that there were plans to cover the repayment of the loan should no new investors come along.There was never any danger of the club going into administration despite the wishes of a small number of fans
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Post by LPGas on Sept 13, 2016 14:49:05 GMT
Personally I would build the stadium to accommodate 26,000 but leave the seats out. If you build the stadium it is VAT free, however if yo "develop" it then you pay the VAT and at 20% it is not cheap
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Post by basel on Sept 13, 2016 15:52:25 GMT
I remain convinced we are heading towards the most exciting and successful time in Rovers history. Wael has and will continue to be magnificent for Rovers. Love it.
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Post by bs5 on Sept 14, 2016 19:45:01 GMT
We'll be in our new training ground/academy by March 2017 and the stadium will be started before Christmas built to the original plan , 18month build so in time for the 2018/19 season - watch this space this ain't from the chimp line by the way😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 1:55:26 GMT
We'll be in our new training ground/academy by March 2017 and the stadium will be started before Christmas built to the original plan , 18month build so in time for the 2018/19 season - watch this space this ain't from the chimp line by the way😉 Mostly correct IMO but not sure about original plan being correct.
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Post by bs5 on Sept 15, 2016 4:04:21 GMT
We'll be in our new training ground/academy by March 2017 and the stadium will be started before Christmas built to the original plan , 18month build so in time for the 2018/19 season - watch this space this ain't from the chimp line by the way😉 Mostly correct IMO but not sure about original plan being correct. It will be because if the plan gets changed then it will have to go through the planning process again, Wael wanted to build it to 35000 right from the start because there's no VAT to pay on new builds but because of the planning he will stick to the original layout etc
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 15, 2016 8:10:09 GMT
Im assuming.to move into a new training ground in March 17 on land we havent bought yet or presumably got planning permission for that we might have a pitch and a couple of portakabins
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