kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 2, 2016 10:24:28 GMT
I bloody knew I would get roasted on this. I hope you read my explanation of that SBL. For you my friend the war is over!! And what a relief it is. I never would have believed that this club could get me so animated and, worse still, at a time when this forum and social media is my only way to learn of any development. I seriously cannot wait until I am well enough to go again. I am missing the company so very much and it won't be long until the season is over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 10:33:54 GMT
So we got the person with IT skills on the board after all! We have one in Brian Seymour Smith but he was never allowed into the pantry. I now hope he can do his job properly. How's Brian's PR company doing these days? I think it's called Seymour-Smith Associates.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 10:55:17 GMT
We have one in Brian Seymour Smith but he was never allowed into the pantry. I now hope he can do his job properly. How's Brian's PR company doing these days? I think it's called Seymour-Smith Associates. I see that it has been dissolved but it was dormant prior to that. A bit like Brian really.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 11:06:18 GMT
I heard that representatives of the board are meeting with the UWE today. The stumbling block is not just the leasehold but what Higgs had agreed to give up - profits from the bars, creche etc all going to the UWE and not BRFC. Understandably the new board want to renegotiate. The meeting was yesterday. It may have carried over to today as well but it definately started yesterday. From what I heard about yesterday, we had 3 officials go over to UWE and it went well! Should hear more in the next 48 hours about this.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 2, 2016 11:14:00 GMT
We have one in Brian Seymour Smith but he was never allowed into the pantry. I now hope he can do his job properly. How's Brian's PR company doing these days? I think it's called Seymour-Smith Associates. It's a strange one in reality. Brian, as a man, has been nothing but good to me & I can only say that I treat as I am treated. Without going too much into the past, it's been well known the both SC directors have been spare wheels and my own reading of this is that Brian has stayed on in the hope that change will come & change that will give him the chance to air supporters views and his own ideas. As Bob Monkhouse used to say, before the lottery was drawn, you have to be in it to win it and I guess we will now see how this goes. I think that you will find that the big majority of FFSC members will have nothing but good things to say about Brian and he certainly has helped but has not been able or allowed to give an opinion or have any ideas taken onboard. I think it was very poor form to hire Doug Shields when we already had someone who has that covered. I have nothing bad to say of Brian & I wish him all the very best in the future dealings with our new chairman and owners.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 12:35:31 GMT
apparently things have moved forward and a new piece of paper has been signed,now what this means is anyones guess but time will tell
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 15:40:40 GMT
Clearings few stones that's pretty much it Commonly known as ground works in the building trade.
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Post by The Concept on Mar 4, 2016 21:25:27 GMT
I heard that representatives of the board are meeting with the UWE today. The stumbling block is not just the leasehold but what Higgs had agreed to give up - profits from the bars, creche etc all going to the UWE and not BRFC. Understandably the new board want to renegotiate. Higgs was becoming an increasingly desperate man and I am not at all surprised by this Chris. I think the guy got so entwined with the various legal battles that he would have been prepared to give part ownership away. I have heard, as have many, that plan B was the thing that Lenny vital gas reported. A smaller capacity stadium and us paying rent. I aliken Higgs to Hitler, stop ! Before you go mad, what I mean is that he took on too many fronts to battle on and Sainsburys were his Stalingrad. He just took on too much and lost perspective of the real issue. I am both relieved he is gone but glad he can now hopefully live without the stress and abuse that people like me have been consistently giving him. I stand by that and always will. I hope our new guys can sort this as it would seem the best option to get a ground quickly. One way to look at it KP is that if NH hadn't kept battling on, taking on the hurdles, then our new owners would never have come across us. If NH had thrown the towel in we'd have never moved from The Mem, or would have ended up with a 'Plan B', whatever that was! By soldiering on - Wonga loans and all - he bought us time; kept the club and stadium plans in the news, and (hopefully) he did actually win - it looks like the club will get a new stadium and the old board receive their investments back.
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Post by PessimistGas on Mar 5, 2016 12:19:51 GMT
Higgs was becoming an increasingly desperate man and I am not at all surprised by this Chris. I think the guy got so entwined with the various legal battles that he would have been prepared to give part ownership away. I have heard, as have many, that plan B was the thing that Lenny vital gas reported. A smaller capacity stadium and us paying rent. I aliken Higgs to Hitler, stop ! Before you go mad, what I mean is that he took on too many fronts to battle on and Sainsburys were his Stalingrad. He just took on too much and lost perspective of the real issue. I am both relieved he is gone but glad he can now hopefully live without the stress and abuse that people like me have been consistently giving him. I stand by that and always will. I hope our new guys can sort this as it would seem the best option to get a ground quickly. One way to look at it KP is that if NH hadn't kept battling on, taking on the hurdles, then our new owners would never have come across us. If NH had thrown the towel in we'd have never moved from The Mem, or would have ended up with a 'Plan B', whatever that was! By soldiering on - Wonga loans and all - he bought us time; kept the club and stadium plans in the news, and (hopefully) he did actually win - it looks like the club will get a new stadium and the old board receive their investments back. How many offers had the club turned down that may have already seen us in a new stadium fulfilling our potential? We can only speculate. I don't believe for one minutes Higgs et al.would have let go if the game wasn't well and truly up by that stage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 12:37:22 GMT
Higgs was becoming an increasingly desperate man and I am not at all surprised by this Chris. I think the guy got so entwined with the various legal battles that he would have been prepared to give part ownership away. I have heard, as have many, that plan B was the thing that Lenny vital gas reported. A smaller capacity stadium and us paying rent. I aliken Higgs to Hitler, stop ! Before you go mad, what I mean is that he took on too many fronts to battle on and Sainsburys were his Stalingrad. He just took on too much and lost perspective of the real issue. I am both relieved he is gone but glad he can now hopefully live without the stress and abuse that people like me have been consistently giving him. I stand by that and always will. I hope our new guys can sort this as it would seem the best option to get a ground quickly. One way to look at it KP is that if NH hadn't kept battling on, taking on the hurdles, then our new owners would never have come across us. If NH had thrown the towel in we'd have never moved from The Mem, or would have ended up with a 'Plan B', whatever that was! By soldiering on - Wonga loans and all - he bought us time; kept the club and stadium plans in the news, and (hopefully) he did actually win - it looks like the club will get a new stadium and the old board receive their investments back. The point that the club became hugely attractive to outside investors was when Higgs lost the court case with Sansbury's. That could never have been planned because if he had won he would have never have sold. Remember Higgs wanted to stay on the board as a director right up to the time the deal was finally done and it was only the insistence of another major shareholder that all major shareholders sold up that prevented him from staying because without that shareholders agreement the deal couldn't have gone through. We received the hint when Toni revealed that Higgs shareholding had been reduced to 18%. Good old luck and chemistry, it worked again.
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Post by johnanagram on Mar 5, 2016 18:22:06 GMT
One way to look at it KP is that if NH hadn't kept battling on, taking on the hurdles, then our new owners would never have come across us. If NH had thrown the towel in we'd have never moved from The Mem, or would have ended up with a 'Plan B', whatever that was! By soldiering on - Wonga loans and all - he bought us time; kept the club and stadium plans in the news, and (hopefully) he did actually win - it looks like the club will get a new stadium and the old board receive their investments back. The point that the club became hugely attractive to outside investors was when Higgs lost the court case with Sansbury's. That could never have been planned because if he had won he would have never have sold. Remember Higgs wanted to stay on the board as a director right up to the time the deal was finally done and it was only the insistence of another major shareholder that all major shareholders sold up that prevented him from staying because without that shareholders agreement the deal couldn't have gone through. We received the hint when Toni revealed that Higgs shareholding had been reduced to 18%. Good old luck and chemistry, it worked again. This is consistent and indeed persistent criticism.....of just about everything.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 6, 2016 1:11:27 GMT
One way to look at it KP is that if NH hadn't kept battling on, taking on the hurdles, then our new owners would never have come across us. If NH had thrown the towel in we'd have never moved from The Mem, or would have ended up with a 'Plan B', whatever that was! By soldiering on - Wonga loans and all - he bought us time; kept the club and stadium plans in the news, and (hopefully) he did actually win - it looks like the club will get a new stadium and the old board receive their investments back. The point that the club became hugely attractive to outside investors was when Higgs lost the court case with Sansbury's. That could never have been planned because if he had won he would have never have sold. Remember Higgs wanted to stay on the board as a director right up to the time the deal was finally done and it was only the insistence of another major shareholder that all major shareholders sold up that prevented him from staying because without that shareholders agreement the deal couldn't have gone through. We received the hint when Toni revealed that Higgs shareholding had been reduced to 18%. Good old luck and chemistry, it worked again. Can you be more explicit on that NB - are you saying that you think NH wanted to keep 18% and a seat on the board, and that bit of info slipped out by mistake?
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 6, 2016 1:15:40 GMT
One way to look at it KP is that if NH hadn't kept battling on, taking on the hurdles, then our new owners would never have come across us. If NH had thrown the towel in we'd have never moved from The Mem, or would have ended up with a 'Plan B', whatever that was! By soldiering on - Wonga loans and all - he bought us time; kept the club and stadium plans in the news, and (hopefully) he did actually win - it looks like the club will get a new stadium and the old board receive their investments back. The point that the club became hugely attractive to outside investors was when Higgs lost the court case with Sansbury's. That could never have been planned because if he had won he would have never have sold. Remember Higgs wanted to stay on the board as a director right up to the time the deal was finally done and it was only the insistence of another major shareholder that all major shareholders sold up that prevented him from staying because without that shareholders agreement the deal couldn't have gone through. We received the hint when Toni revealed that Higgs shareholding had been reduced to 18%. Good old luck and chemistry, it worked again. Also, I'm wondering why another board member would insist that NH sold up. Just ego? 'For the good of the club'? 'Cabinet responsibility'?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 1:27:39 GMT
The point that the club became hugely attractive to outside investors was when Higgs lost the court case with Sansbury's. That could never have been planned because if he had won he would have never have sold. Remember Higgs wanted to stay on the board as a director right up to the time the deal was finally done and it was only the insistence of another major shareholder that all major shareholders sold up that prevented him from staying because without that shareholders agreement the deal couldn't have gone through. We received the hint when Toni revealed that Higgs shareholding had been reduced to 18%. Good old luck and chemistry, it worked again. Also, I'm wondering why another board member would insist that NH sold up. Just ego? 'For the good of the club'? 'Cabinet responsibility'? Who said it was a board member?
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 6, 2016 1:34:16 GMT
All major shareholders were on the board?
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 6, 2016 1:35:47 GMT
All major shareholders were on the board? Or, on reflection, maybe Ernie was no longer on the board by that time
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 6, 2016 1:36:57 GMT
All major shareholders were on the board? Or, on reflection, maybe Ernie was no longer on the board by that time Maybe Ernie was very cross about something, and felt he had someone over a barrell
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 1:42:27 GMT
Or, on reflection, maybe Ernie was no longer on the board by that time Maybe Ernie was very cross about something, and felt he had someone over a barrell You've got it.
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Post by The Concept on Mar 6, 2016 9:22:29 GMT
One way to look at it KP is that if NH hadn't kept battling on, taking on the hurdles, then our new owners would never have come across us. If NH had thrown the towel in we'd have never moved from The Mem, or would have ended up with a 'Plan B', whatever that was! By soldiering on - Wonga loans and all - he bought us time; kept the club and stadium plans in the news, and (hopefully) he did actually win - it looks like the club will get a new stadium and the old board receive their investments back. The point that the club became hugely attractive to outside investors was when Higgs lost the court case with Sansbury's. That could never have been planned because if he had won he would have never have sold. Remember Higgs wanted to stay on the board as a director right up to the time the deal was finally done and it was only the insistence of another major shareholder that all major shareholders sold up that prevented him from staying because without that shareholders agreement the deal couldn't have gone through. We received the hint when Toni revealed that Higgs shareholding had been reduced to 18%. Good old luck and chemistry, it worked again. Yes, of course: good luck / fortune favouring the brave / happenstance / fate / serendipity - call it what you will ... but not planned. Just saying - whatever anyone's opinion of the choices - that had NH accepted Sainsburys wanting to pull out (Nov. '13?), or thrown in the towel on the stadium plans at several junctures since, the status quo in both ownership and ground would most probably have remained.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 9:40:12 GMT
The point that the club became hugely attractive to outside investors was when Higgs lost the court case with Sansbury's. That could never have been planned because if he had won he would have never have sold. Remember Higgs wanted to stay on the board as a director right up to the time the deal was finally done and it was only the insistence of another major shareholder that all major shareholders sold up that prevented him from staying because without that shareholders agreement the deal couldn't have gone through. We received the hint when Toni revealed that Higgs shareholding had been reduced to 18%. Good old luck and chemistry, it worked again. Yes, of course: good luck / fortune favouring the brave / happenstance / fate / serendipity - call it what you will ... but not planned. Just saying - whatever anyone's opinion of the choices - that had NH accepted Sainsburys wanting to pull out (Nov. '13?), or thrown in the towel on the stadium plans at several junctures since, the status quo in both ownership and ground would most probably have remained. Quite possibly Concept or maybe the "Consortium" would have taken over. Happy days though.
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