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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 18:48:19 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease.
I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth.
Edited: it was meant to have a question mark.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Feb 20, 2016 18:54:09 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease. I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth. Find this hard to believe with pp in place and everything ready to go, finding another piece of land in Bristol which will obtain pp will be very difficult. I imagine the new owners will do a deal with uwe to buy the land. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 18:58:22 GMT
My concern is that the new owners don't realise how scarce stadium-sized development land is in the Bristol area, and rather than taking the opportunity to build at UWE, are looking for less onerous conditions elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 19:00:03 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease. I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth. I don't think for a moment that the UWE will happen on its current terms, Al Qadi said the talks continue. No one seemed to pick up on NH saying 'hopefully' the UWE will still be built. I think it comes down to whether the UWE are open to a sale of the land, think there may be some ruling that a Uni can't be seen to be making big profits, so a money talks scenario to get the land would perhaps be unlikely. He may be able to flex his financial muscles to purchase the Rolls Royce land and a hotel there would be a better idea than a hotel at UWE where two other hotels are within a stones throw. Gut feeling is a new stadium will be built to a different spec (maybe bigger) at a different location with a hotel and all the club facilities on one site, but that is just a feeling. Whatever the outcome it's going to be one hell of a journey and in 3-5 years the club will be unrecognisable to how it is today IMO. |
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 20, 2016 19:02:59 GMT
Hambrook?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 19:53:19 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease. I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth. I don't think for a moment that the UWE will happen on its current terms, Al Qadi said the talks continue. No one seemed to pick up on NH saying 'hopefully' the UWE will still be built. I think it comes down to whether the UWE are open to a sale of the land, think there may be some ruling that a Uni can't be seen to be making big profits, so a money talks scenario to get the land would perhaps be unlikely. He may be able to flex his financial muscles to purchase the Rolls Royce land and a hotel there would be a better idea than a hotel at UWE where two other hotels are within a stones throw. Gut feeling is a new stadium will be built to a different spec (maybe bigger) at a different location with a hotel and all the club facilities on one site, but that is just a feeling. Whatever the outcome it's going to be one hell of a journey and in 3-5 years the club will be unrecognisable to how it is today IMO. I don't know where this 'universities aren't allowed to profit' line comes from. They're financially independent institutions, expected to make the most of their assets. Oxford University is a major landowner and coins it in from that. If UWE have land they don't need, why shouldn't they sell it? If it's effectively on a permanent lease, with a stadium on it, it's not as if they could do anything else with it themselves. I assumed the lease arrangement was to help a skint football club to fund the stadium (not enough, as it turned out). If that's not required, bank it upfront. I've no grasp on this strips of land thing: what strips of land, where's this come from, and (maybe relevant to the where they are thing), what's their significance? I agree with Astafjev's thought that it might be easy for the locally inexperienced to overestimate the chances of finding an alternative site and getting planning permission for a blue sky rethink. Maybe the talks with S Glos have encourage it, though. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 20, 2016 20:01:28 GMT
Ashton Vale maybe and develop the Ashton Gate rail terminal
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Post by crater on Feb 20, 2016 20:26:03 GMT
New chairman was saying on radio that the UWE is in a prime location so they must know we'll be unlikely to find a better site...I remain condident the UWE will happen
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Post by blueginger on Feb 20, 2016 20:48:35 GMT
Christ, the blokes only been here a day, FFS, don't think any major decisions will be made yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 20:57:50 GMT
Christ, the blokes only been here a day, FFS, don't think any major decisions will be made yet. No, he's been about for five months, doing due diligence, working out what he might want to do or could do, and forming some form of idea of whether this (whatever 'this' is) is a goer and what it would look like. That's involved talking to UWE and S Glos, apparently. He hasn't just won us in a sweepstake and rockedup for a press conference. i have no idea if Astafjev's info is correct: he seems sound, but the third-handedness allows for communication interference. Potentially, though, a stadium that size on leased land with teaching rooms and a car park might not fit bang on with whatever the vision is. |
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Post by stroudblue on Feb 20, 2016 21:04:57 GMT
Always wondered about the land by Rolls Royce. Seems a large area and close to motorways etc..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 21:06:27 GMT
I don't think for a moment that the UWE will happen on its current terms, Al Qadi said the talks continue. No one seemed to pick up on NH saying 'hopefully' the UWE will still be built. I think it comes down to whether the UWE are open to a sale of the land, think there may be some ruling that a Uni can't be seen to be making big profits, so a money talks scenario to get the land would perhaps be unlikely. He may be able to flex his financial muscles to purchase the Rolls Royce land and a hotel there would be a better idea than a hotel at UWE where two other hotels are within a stones throw. Gut feeling is a new stadium will be built to a different spec (maybe bigger) at a different location with a hotel and all the club facilities on one site, but that is just a feeling. Whatever the outcome it's going to be one hell of a journey and in 3-5 years the club will be unrecognisable to how it is today IMO. I don't know where this 'universities aren't allowed to profit' line comes from. They're financially independent institutions, expected to make the most of their assets. Oxford University is a major landowner and coins it in from that. If UWE have land they don't need, why shouldn't they sell it? If it's effectively on a permanent lease, with a stadium on it, it's not as if they could do anything else with it themselves. I assumed the lease arrangement was to help a skint football club to fund the stadium (not enough, as it turned out). If that's not required, bank it upfront. I've no grasp on this strips of land thing: what strips of land, where's this come from, and (maybe relevant to the where they are thing), what's their significance? I agree with Astafjev's thought that it might be easy for the locally inexperienced to overestimate the chances of finding an alternative site and getting planning permission for a blue sky rethink. Maybe the talks with S Glos have encourage it, though. The strips of land comment came up in an interview one is next to MOD Abbeywood, the reason was for commercial use. So I am guessing hotel etc, revenue for him or the club. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 22:10:41 GMT
I don't think for a moment that the UWE will happen on its current terms, Al Qadi said the talks continue. No one seemed to pick up on NH saying 'hopefully' the UWE will still be built. I think it comes down to whether the UWE are open to a sale of the land, think there may be some ruling that a Uni can't be seen to be making big profits, so a money talks scenario to get the land would perhaps be unlikely. He may be able to flex his financial muscles to purchase the Rolls Royce land and a hotel there would be a better idea than a hotel at UWE where two other hotels are within a stones throw. Gut feeling is a new stadium will be built to a different spec (maybe bigger) at a different location with a hotel and all the club facilities on one site, but that is just a feeling. Whatever the outcome it's going to be one hell of a journey and in 3-5 years the club will be unrecognisable to how it is today IMO. I don't know where this 'universities aren't allowed to profit' line comes from. They're financially independent institutions, expected to make the most of their assets. Oxford University is a major landowner and coins it in from that. If UWE have land they don't need, why shouldn't they sell it? If it's effectively on a permanent lease, with a stadium on it, it's not as if they could do anything else with it themselves. I assumed the lease arrangement was to help a skint football club to fund the stadium (not enough, as it turned out). If that's not required, bank it upfront. I've no grasp on this strips of land thing: what strips of land, where's this come from, and (maybe relevant to the where they are thing), what's their significance? I agree with Astafjev's thought that it might be easy for the locally inexperienced to overestimate the chances of finding an alternative site and getting planning permission for a blue sky rethink. Maybe the talks with S Glos have encourage it, though. Her indoors works at the higher education funding council and seems to think that there could be a clause in selling the land previously owned by HP on to a private investor, I misunderstood what she was saying first time around, not for the first nor last time! Maybe there isn't a clause but wifey seems to think there may well be one, time will tell. |
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Post by womble on Feb 20, 2016 22:42:30 GMT
I don't think for a moment that the UWE will happen on its current terms, Al Qadi said the talks continue. No one seemed to pick up on NH saying 'hopefully' the UWE will still be built. I think it comes down to whether the UWE are open to a sale of the land, think there may be some ruling that a Uni can't be seen to be making big profits, so a money talks scenario to get the land would perhaps be unlikely. He may be able to flex his financial muscles to purchase the Rolls Royce land and a hotel there would be a better idea than a hotel at UWE where two other hotels are within a stones throw. Gut feeling is a new stadium will be built to a different spec (maybe bigger) at a different location with a hotel and all the club facilities on one site, but that is just a feeling. Whatever the outcome it's going to be one hell of a journey and in 3-5 years the club will be unrecognisable to how it is today IMO. I don't know where this 'universities aren't allowed to profit' line comes from. They're financially independent institutions, expected to make the most of their assets. Oxford University is a major landowner and coins it in from that. If UWE have land they don't need, why shouldn't they sell it? If it's effectively on a permanent lease, with a stadium on it, it's not as if they could do anything else with it themselves. I assumed the lease arrangement was to help a skint football club to fund the stadium (not enough, as it turned out). If that's not required, bank it upfront. I've no grasp on this strips of land thing: what strips of land, where's this come from, and (maybe relevant to the where they are thing), what's their significance? I agree with Astafjev's thought that it might be easy for the locally inexperienced to overestimate the chances of finding an alternative site and getting planning permission for a blue sky rethink. Maybe the talks with S Glos have encourage it, though. The strips of land referred to maybe the ones shown to the north-west of the stadium on page 7 of the document below. www2.uwe.ac.uk/services/Marketing/about-us/pdf/UWE-New-Campus/Planning-Design-and-Access-Statement.pdfBoth are shown as commercial opportunities, one being a hotel, which would certainly fit in with the new owners sphere of operations. |
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Post by jonboy on Feb 20, 2016 22:51:56 GMT
Always wondered about the land by Rolls Royce. Seems a large area and close to motorways etc.. The old R/R site has been sold and work underway trading estate hotel and such |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 23:06:21 GMT
I don't know where this 'universities aren't allowed to profit' line comes from. They're financially independent institutions, expected to make the most of their assets. Oxford University is a major landowner and coins it in from that. If UWE have land they don't need, why shouldn't they sell it? If it's effectively on a permanent lease, with a stadium on it, it's not as if they could do anything else with it themselves. I assumed the lease arrangement was to help a skint football club to fund the stadium (not enough, as it turned out). If that's not required, bank it upfront. I've no grasp on this strips of land thing: what strips of land, where's this come from, and (maybe relevant to the where they are thing), what's their significance? I agree with Astafjev's thought that it might be easy for the locally inexperienced to overestimate the chances of finding an alternative site and getting planning permission for a blue sky rethink. Maybe the talks with S Glos have encourage it, though. The strips of land referred to maybe the ones shown to the north-west of the stadium on page 7 of the document below. www2.uwe.ac.uk/services/Marketing/about-us/pdf/UWE-New-Campus/Planning-Design-and-Access-Statement.pdfBoth are shown as commercial opportunities, one being a hotel, which would certainly fit in with the new owners sphere of operations. Got you, and see what you mean. |
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Post by bs14gas on Feb 20, 2016 23:09:01 GMT
Always wondered about the land by Rolls Royce. Seems a large area and close to motorways etc.. The old R/R site has been sold and work underway trading estate hotel and such When, and for how much? This is by far the best location, close to road, main bus, and rail links. 5/6 pubs in walking distance. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 0:17:18 GMT
The old R/R site has been sold and work underway trading estate hotel and such When, and for how much? This is by far the best location, close to road, main bus, and rail links. 5/6 pubs in walking distance. |
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Post by didlesknowmydad on Feb 21, 2016 0:57:09 GMT
Apart from the original demolition, I'm not aware of any development works underway on the site in question. There is currently some building work (hotel, retail units, etc) further north and on the other side of the A38. |
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Feb 21, 2016 0:57:22 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease. I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth. So we've waited eons for this, a wealthy owner prepared to pay off our debt, which I believe he's already done, and now we've got a "my friend knows this, and my friend of a friend knows this" stuff is appearing over these sites like melanomas, we must all try and believe, try and enjoy, talk about our league position and please try and let the new owners do their work!! I will be astounded if there is a better site in north Bristol than a the UWE let alone the thought of us going through another 3/4 years of planning permissions and 106 agreements, and nimby's objecting, with the subsequent legal eagles on here going through the court particular's!!!! |
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