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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 13:07:01 GMT
What about the old Cattybrook Brick factory site
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Mar 11, 2016 13:10:25 GMT
What about the old Cattybrook Brick factory site A site that has access from one country lane? Seems we are trying to find more & more obscure sights.
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 11, 2016 13:33:33 GMT
Appreciate Faggoty is banging his drum but the facts are that the Mem is more central than UWE but UWE is far more central than Emersons Green. Throw in the far better transport links (has the new junction at Emersons Green even been approved yet?) and if it's between UWE or Emersons Green it's a no brainer. Even the friends I go with who live in Emersons Green think it would be mental to build there. The Transport links also gives UWE the edge over Rolls Royce and definately Avonmouth (though at Avonmouth the club would have a monopoly on drinking establishments, its a long old slep from the Miles or Royal to that available site). Bang bang bang, what do you mean by central? Lyde Green is probably about half a mile to a mile further out than UWE, both a few minutes from the same M32 junction, and probably easier to get to for home fans.
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 11, 2016 13:36:15 GMT
What about the old Cattybrook Brick factory site That appears to be in the middle of bleeding nowhere
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 11, 2016 13:39:15 GMT
Appreciate Faggoty is banging his drum but the facts are that the Mem is more central than UWE but UWE is far more central than Emersons Green. Throw in the far better transport links (has the new junction at Emersons Green even been approved yet?) and if it's between UWE or Emersons Green it's a no brainer. Even the friends I go with who live in Emersons Green think it would be mental to build there. The Transport links also gives UWE the edge over Rolls Royce and definately Avonmouth (though at Avonmouth the club would have a monopoly on drinking establishments, its a long old slep from the Miles or Royal to that available site). From Kingswood high street, for example, Google Maps says it takes 18 minutes on a Saturday afternoon; Lyde Green takes 14 minutes at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 13:42:47 GMT
What about the old Cattybrook Brick factory site A site that has access from one country lane? Seems we are trying to find more & more obscure sights. If they could get large lorries down there then cars are no problem,there is also the opportunity to open other accessess
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Mar 11, 2016 13:55:55 GMT
A site that has access from one country lane? Seems we are trying to find more & more obscure sights. If they could get large lorries down there then cars are no problem,there is also the opportunity to open other accessess Interesting proposition Brian, the odd truck through the day or 10,000 people all arriving at the same time. And with no public transport. Not a hope it would get past planning in my view.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Mar 11, 2016 14:00:30 GMT
Appreciate Faggoty is banging his drum but the facts are that the Mem is more central than UWE but UWE is far more central than Emersons Green. Throw in the far better transport links (has the new junction at Emersons Green even been approved yet?) and if it's between UWE or Emersons Green it's a no brainer. Even the friends I go with who live in Emersons Green think it would be mental to build there. The Transport links also gives UWE the edge over Rolls Royce and definately Avonmouth (though at Avonmouth the club would have a monopoly on drinking establishments, its a long old slep from the Miles or Royal to that available site). From Kingswood high street, for example, Google Maps says it takes 18 minutes on a Saturday afternoon; Lyde Green takes 14 minutes at the same time. What does Google Maps say for Avonmouth, Henbury, Bishopston, South Bristol?
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Post by Thatslife on Mar 11, 2016 14:10:08 GMT
Avonmouth has a lot going for it, good transport links, good roads with links to the motorway, and above all, very few houses and is in Bristol.
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 11, 2016 14:16:32 GMT
From Kingswood high street, for example, Google Maps says it takes 18 minutes on a Saturday afternoon; Lyde Green takes 14 minutes at the same time. What does Google Maps say for Avonmouth, Henbury, Bishopston, South Bristol? Not where most home fans are coming from - Kingswood pop = 40k+, Avonmouth = 12k. But anyway:
Avonmouth - UWE = 24 m, LG = 24m. Henbury - UWE = 22m LG = 28m Bishopston = UWE = 16m, LG = 26m South Bristol - using Brislington (cos of all the Rovers fans coming from City's heartland) - UWE = 24m, LG = 20m
Fact is, from our traditional heartland, Lyde Green would be closer by car, and quicker too as you wouldn't have to negotiate the congested M32 junction.
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 11, 2016 14:19:05 GMT
Avonmouth has a lot going for it, good transport links, good roads with links to the motorway, and above all, very few houses and is in Bristol. Very few houses is a bad thing - who's going to use the associated services, leisure centre etc? And a pain to get to for most people in Bristol, have you seen the traffic anywhere near Cribbs on a Saturday?
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Post by Thatslife on Mar 11, 2016 14:28:42 GMT
Avonmouth has a lot going for it, good transport links, good roads with links to the motorway, and above all, very few houses and is in Bristol. Very few houses is a bad thing - who's going to use the associated services, leisure centre etc? And a pain to get to for most people in Bristol, have you seen the traffic anywhere near Cribbs on a Saturday? "Have I seen traffic anywhere near cribs on a saturday?" I live in Henbury, FFS most of it comes through this area, yes it's a pain but Avonmouth can be accessed without going near Cribbs.
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Post by Thatslife on Mar 11, 2016 14:31:29 GMT
What about the old Cattybrook Brick factory site Over lane is not much more than a country lane, be difficult to use that, besides, lots of monied people there so no chance.
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Post by Thatslife on Mar 11, 2016 14:34:44 GMT
Avonmouth has a lot going for it, good transport links, good roads with links to the motorway, and above all, very few houses and is in Bristol. Very few houses is a bad thing - who's going to use the associated services, leisure centre etc? And a pain to get to for most people in Bristol, have you seen the traffic anywhere near Cribbs on a Saturday? Just how many people do you think walk to the gym or a hotel or a mall even ,that's the idea of out of town, easy parking etc
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Mar 11, 2016 14:35:21 GMT
What does Google Maps say for Avonmouth, Henbury, Bishopston, South Bristol? Not where most home fans are coming from - Kingswood pop = 40k+, Avonmouth = 12k. But anyway:
Avonmouth - UWE = 24 m, LG = 24m. Henbury - UWE = 22m LG = 28m Bishopston = UWE = 16m, LG = 26m South Bristol - using Brislington (cos of all the Rovers fans coming from City's heartland) - UWE = 24m, LG = 20m
Fact is, from our traditional heartland, Lyde Green would be closer by car, and quicker too as you wouldn't have to negotiate the congested M32 junction.
I see what you have done there with South (East) Bristol. Good public transport links there buses, trains etc? As to the M32 junction anyone coming from North West / Central Bristol would have to negotiate it, so as you admit a big downside there. I personally would go less if in the highly unlikelihood the ground was built in Emersons Green, much like the fact I refuse to work out there as well. And I'm still left wondering when the new junction is going to be built (approved?). As to population you'd need to be scientific & assess where you target markets are across the whole of the city seems a bit small minded to be targetting only 40k of the city's population. Would hope our new owners were aiming higher than that. But overall I'd put Emersons Green ahead of Avonmouth & Over Lane and far behind a UWE or Rolls Royce site.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 11, 2016 14:51:33 GMT
Very few houses is a bad thing - who's going to use the associated services, leisure centre etc? And a pain to get to for most people in Bristol, have you seen the traffic anywhere near Cribbs on a Saturday? "Have I seen traffic anywhere near cribs on a saturday?" I live in Henbury, FFS most of it comes through this area, yes it's a pain but Avonmouth can be accessed without going near Cribbs. Let's be honest, travel anywhere in or near Bristol is a pain. If I want to be at Temple meads for 09:00 then I have to leave New Cheltenham at 07:45. If you wanted to be there for 09:30 then you can leave at 09:00. Traffic is awful at the best of times. I would certainly welcome having a sports bar where you could meet up at and then get a lift into the game. Me and a friend take it turns to drive when I am able to go and it's lovely when it's not my turn. Take a drive to the mem, along the ring road and then via Frenchay and past the UWE site and you will find that it's rammed from the silly wicket roundabout. I don't think there is any place that we could build and avoid traffic
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 11, 2016 15:03:33 GMT
Very few houses is a bad thing - who's going to use the associated services, leisure centre etc? And a pain to get to for most people in Bristol, have you seen the traffic anywhere near Cribbs on a Saturday? "Have I seen traffic anywhere near cribs on a saturday?" I live in Henbury, FFS most of it comes through this area, yes it's a pain but Avonmouth can be accessed without going near Cribbs. Feel for you!
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 11, 2016 15:04:32 GMT
Very few houses is a bad thing - who's going to use the associated services, leisure centre etc? And a pain to get to for most people in Bristol, have you seen the traffic anywhere near Cribbs on a Saturday? Just how many people do you think walk to the gym or a hotel or a mall even ,that's the idea of out of town, easy parking etc Lyde Green has easy parking, AND lots of people within walking distance
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 11, 2016 15:26:40 GMT
Not where most home fans are coming from - Kingswood pop = 40k+, Avonmouth = 12k. But anyway:
Avonmouth - UWE = 24 m, LG = 24m. Henbury - UWE = 22m LG = 28m Bishopston = UWE = 16m, LG = 26m South Bristol - using Brislington (cos of all the Rovers fans coming from City's heartland) - UWE = 24m, LG = 20m
Fact is, from our traditional heartland, Lyde Green would be closer by car, and quicker too as you wouldn't have to negotiate the congested M32 junction.
I see what you have done there with South (East) Bristol. Good public transport links there buses, trains etc? As to the M32 junction anyone coming from North West / Central Bristol would have to negotiate it, so as you admit a big downside there. I personally would go less if in the highly unlikelihood the ground was built in Emersons Green, much like the fact I refuse to work out there as well. And I'm still left wondering when the new junction is going to be built (approved?). As to population you'd need to be scientific & assess where you target markets are across the whole of the city seems a bit small minded to be targetting only 40k of the city's population. Would hope our new owners were aiming higher than that. But overall I'd put Emersons Green ahead of Avonmouth & Over Lane and far behind a UWE or Rolls Royce site. New metrobus from Parkway and from town will have a stop on the park and ride right in the middle of Lyde Green, so pretty good public transport. Not quite as good as UWE, but pretty good.
I reckon a lot more home fans will come from East / South East Bristol than will come from the villages of the North West. Access from Central Bristol would be similar to UWE - 2.6 miles south from the M32, rather than a busier 1.7 miles north. Even without a new M4 junction, road access would not be significantly worse than UWE, and for most home fans, a little bit better. I live in Kingswood and work in Lyde Green, even at rush hour it takes me a reliable 15 minutes, its a piece of cake to get to. When I worked at HP next to UWE, it would often take up to an hour due to traffic.
So - similar road access from central Bristol. Better access from south / east Bristol. Marginally worse access from North Bristol (an extra couple of miles on the ring road, whoo). More parking, with a park and ride next door. Slightly - but only slightly - worse public transport for away fans, but similar, or perhaps even better, for home fans (metrobus vs irregular trains). On 2 cycle routes. A large population close by, but not too close by, crying out for facilities and entertainment. Way more land available, already earmarked for leisure use. And I can walk there from my work!
And that's the last I'm going to say on the matter, its all speculation anyway.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Mar 11, 2016 15:42:12 GMT
I see what you have done there with South (East) Bristol. Good public transport links there buses, trains etc? As to the M32 junction anyone coming from North West / Central Bristol would have to negotiate it, so as you admit a big downside there. I personally would go less if in the highly unlikelihood the ground was built in Emersons Green, much like the fact I refuse to work out there as well. And I'm still left wondering when the new junction is going to be built (approved?). As to population you'd need to be scientific & assess where you target markets are across the whole of the city seems a bit small minded to be targetting only 40k of the city's population. Would hope our new owners were aiming higher than that. But overall I'd put Emersons Green ahead of Avonmouth & Over Lane and far behind a UWE or Rolls Royce site. New metrobus from Parkway and from town will have a stop on the park and ride right in the middle of Lyde Green, so pretty good public transport. Not quite as good as UWE, but pretty good.
I reckon a lot more home fans will come from East / South East Bristol than will come from the villages of the North West. Access from Central Bristol would be similar to UWE - 2.6 miles south from the M32, rather than a busier 1.7 miles north. Even without a new M4 junction, road access would not be significantly worse than UWE, and for most home fans, a little bit better. I live in Kingswood and work in Lyde Green, even at rush hour it takes me a reliable 15 minutes, its a piece of cake to get to. When I worked at HP next to UWE, it would often take up to an hour due to traffic.
So - similar road access from central Bristol. Better access from south / east Bristol. Marginally worse access from North Bristol (an extra couple of miles on the ring road, whoo). More parking, with a park and ride next door. Slightly - but only slightly - worse public transport for away fans, but similar, or perhaps even better, for home fans (metrobus vs irregular trains). On 2 cycle routes. A large population close by, but not too close by, crying out for facilities and entertainment. Way more land available, already earmarked for leisure use. And I can walk there from my work!
And that's the last I'm going to say on the matter, its all speculation anyway.
Whole heartedly agree with your last point
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