JeffNZ
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Post by JeffNZ on Jun 8, 2014 2:15:15 GMT
when you think about it bristol rovers having 2 3 or 4 forums how many must liverpool man utd or even derby county have?? A quick search on Google for Liverpool Forums shows shed loads. A slight difference in numbers though. #3 on the list is forums.liverpoolfc.com/ and it currently boasts: Threads : 63,377, Posts : 3,504,768, Members : 230,834We have a way to go yet!
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Peter Parker
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 8, 2014 6:26:39 GMT
Stop it, there is not enough board bashing on this thread.
I have to agree that it was disapointing that some of those on gaschat didnt stay more than 5 minutes because they felt the IF a bot hostile and heavy, then there perhaps more laid back discussion style, but they can absolutley set up their own forum. I just found it weird how some didnt quite beleive it had happened before and the other forum was some sort of myth or something
I think this forum is devloping nicely and will do more so as the season starts
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jozer
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Post by jozer on Jun 8, 2014 8:08:08 GMT
i wouldnt mind us getting our own steve lansdown or vincent tan but until then our board is all weve got and i do think higgs is a decent person trying his best I think that they are all doing their best including the chairman. We don't need a billionaire, and we don't need another donor mate of the current BoD. We need a properly run football club. The sad fact is that under this shower that is never going to happen. For whatever reason/s they have made it clear that they will continue to run the club as a shambles whatever the consequences.
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Jun 8, 2014 8:45:04 GMT
I think that they are all doing their best including the chairman. We don't need a billionaire, and we don't need another donor mate of the current BoD. We need a properly run football club. The sad fact is that under this shower that is never going to happen. For whatever reason/s they have made it clear that they will continue to run the club as a shambles whatever the consequences. Agreed they are doing their best; unfortunately, their best is not good enough, with Higgs in charge we have gone from div 1 to the conference. If he is intent on staying then he needs to bring in a Chief Executive to manage the day-to-day business. UTG
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irishrover
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Post by irishrover on Jun 9, 2014 9:51:49 GMT
I know I've repeated this like a broken record over the years but Forum's are not entities in themselves. It's ridiculous to say 'this is the Anti-whatever forum' and this is the 'Pro-Whatever' forum. Forums are merely the product of the people that post on them- that is all.
There's no overall message here and personally I've always thought the identity of the AF/IF as some kind of cabal of people who wanted to take over the board is actually one of the problems that is driving a paranoia among those who run the club and is preventing proper fans engagement. If you ever read the posts - yes, there was a critical mass of fed up/banned people but there were also a number of people who posted on those forums because the debate was better and more grown up than the OF (like me and I think Roadman) and a lot of people with very different and original perspectives (like Swiss, Oxon and JeffNZ). The idea that it represents a coherent agenda or set of ideas was way, way wide of the mark and the idea that it was run by one or two people with an anti-board agenda was just laughable. Yes, quite a few people with longstanding issues with the board always posted there and were always quite active and opinionated but it was never the only opinion expressed - the idea that there was a coherent 'AF line' was just ludicrous; I've never seen 2 posters agree with each other on anything! Over time I have become more disenchanted with the way the club has been run (mainly because of the way the fans are treated by those at the top) but I still tend towards defending the status quo on a 'be careful what you wish for basis' and because I have no faith in any of the fan ownership models that a lot on the old forums advocated; but I was never made to feel unwelcome for having these views. I think the one strand that did tend to unite people is that they thought about the future of the club in more of a long-term way and saw part of being a fan involving holding whoever runs the club to account for their actions. There was never much time for blind faith or the view that the role of the fan in the club begins and ends when they part with their money. I think nearly everyone, no matter what their perspective, had the view that fans were more than merely customers of any other business.
What there has always been in the various versions of this forum is people being prepared to strong argue their corner and directly take on the arguments of others - sometimes people don't like that. I think people sometimes confuse posters being passionately critical of their ideas with being picked on (though I'm not going to say that doesn't happen sometimes-I think it's pretty poor when there are examples of newish posters being 'ganged up on'). Having said that I do think a couple of threads have been a bit OTT in terms of degenerating into 'woe and alas' territory. I don't think I'd ever moderate that (I think the debate should take it's course wherever possible) but I think it's a shame. I don't understand the fuss about the Car Boot thing. I can understand why people might be critical of the club in the context of a 'fiddling while Rome burns' kind of argument. Not saying I agree with it but I think the view is valid. But, it does seem a shame to me if threads about signings, new players and football side stuff disappear into that territory so I can see the point there and I can also understand why people would only want to talk about football stuff -that's a fair criticism I think, the old forums were definitely primarily set up to discuss behind the scenes matters so it's not surprising that bias has carried across. Is there any legs at all in the idea of splitting our main forum here into some kind of separate 'on-field' and 'off field' strands? Do people have any views on this?
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strung out
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Post by strung out on Jun 9, 2014 9:55:06 GMT
I know I've repeated this like a broken record over the years but Forum's are not entities in themselves. It's ridiculous to say 'this is the Anti-whatever forum' and this is the 'Pro-Whatever' forum. Forums are merely the product of the people that post on them- that is all. There's no overall message here and personally I've always thought the identity of the AF/IF as some kind of cabal of people who wanted to take over the board is actually one of the problems that is driving a paranoia among those who run the club and is preventing proper fans engagement. If you ever read the posts - yes, there was a critical mass of fed up/banned people but there were also a number of people who posted on those forums because the debate was better and more grown up than the OF (like me and I think Roadman) and a lot of people with very different and original perspectives (like Swiss, Oxon and JeffNZ). The idea that it represents a coherent agenda or set of ideas was way, way wide of the mark and the idea that it was run by one or two people with an anti-board agenda was just laughable. Yes, quite a few people with longstanding issues with the board always posted there and were always quite active and opinionated but it was never the only opinion expressed - the idea that there was a coherent 'AF line' was just ludicrous; I've never seen 2 posters agree with each other on anything! Over time I have become more disenchanted with the way the club has been run (mainly because of the way the fans are treated by those at the top) but I still tend towards defending the status quo on a 'be careful what you wish for basis' and because I have no faith in any of the fan ownership models that a lot on the old forums advocated; but I was never made to feel unwelcome for having these views. I think the one strand that did tend to unite people is that they thought about the future of the club in more of a long-term way and saw part of being a fan involving holding whoever runs the club to account for their actions. There was never much time for blind faith or the view that the role of the fan in the club begins and ends when they part with their money. I think nearly everyone, no matter what their perspective, had the view that fans were more than merely customers of any other business. What there has always been in the various versions of this forum is people being prepared to strong argue their corner and directly take on the arguments of others - sometimes people don't like that. I think people sometimes confuse posters being passionately critical of their ideas with being picked on (though I'm not going to say that doesn't happen sometimes-I think it's pretty poor when there are examples of newish posters being 'ganged up on'). Having said that I do think a couple of threads have been a bit OTT in terms of degenerating into 'woe and alas' territory. I don't think I'd ever moderate that (I think the debate should take it's course wherever possible) but I think it's a shame. I don't understand the fuss about the Car Boot thing. I can understand why people might be critical of the club in the context of a 'fiddling while Rome burns' kind of argument. Not saying I agree with it but I think the view is valid. But, it does seem a shame to me if threads about signings, new players and football side stuff disappear into that territory so I can see the point there and I can also understand why people would only want to talk about football stuff -that's a fair criticism I think, the old forums were definitely primarily set up to discuss behind the scenes matters so it's not surprising that bias has carried across. Is there any legs at all in the idea of splitting our main forum here into some kind of separate 'on-field' and 'off field' strands? Do people have any views on this? I agree with you 100% irish, particularly the bit I've bolded.
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basel
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Post by basel on Jun 9, 2014 9:59:49 GMT
This forum actually has differing views on it,read the posts and you'll find out.
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irishrover
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Post by irishrover on Jun 9, 2014 10:31:12 GMT
I know I've repeated this like a broken record over the years but Forum's are not entities in themselves. It's ridiculous to say 'this is the Anti-whatever forum' and this is the 'Pro-Whatever' forum. Forums are merely the product of the people that post on them- that is all. There's no overall message here and personally I've always thought the identity of the AF/IF as some kind of cabal of people who wanted to take over the board is actually one of the problems that is driving a paranoia among those who run the club and is preventing proper fans engagement. If you ever read the posts - yes, there was a critical mass of fed up/banned people but there were also a number of people who posted on those forums because the debate was better and more grown up than the OF (like me and I think Roadman) and a lot of people with very different and original perspectives (like Swiss, Oxon and JeffNZ). The idea that it represents a coherent agenda or set of ideas was way, way wide of the mark and the idea that it was run by one or two people with an anti-board agenda was just laughable. Yes, quite a few people with longstanding issues with the board always posted there and were always quite active and opinionated but it was never the only opinion expressed - the idea that there was a coherent 'AF line' was just ludicrous; I've never seen 2 posters agree with each other on anything! Over time I have become more disenchanted with the way the club has been run (mainly because of the way the fans are treated by those at the top) but I still tend towards defending the status quo on a 'be careful what you wish for basis' and because I have no faith in any of the fan ownership models that a lot on the old forums advocated; but I was never made to feel unwelcome for having these views. I think the one strand that did tend to unite people is that they thought about the future of the club in more of a long-term way and saw part of being a fan involving holding whoever runs the club to account for their actions. There was never much time for blind faith or the view that the role of the fan in the club begins and ends when they part with their money. I think nearly everyone, no matter what their perspective, had the view that fans were more than merely customers of any other business. What there has always been in the various versions of this forum is people being prepared to strong argue their corner and directly take on the arguments of others - sometimes people don't like that. I think people sometimes confuse posters being passionately critical of their ideas with being picked on (though I'm not going to say that doesn't happen sometimes-I think it's pretty poor when there are examples of newish posters being 'ganged up on'). Having said that I do think a couple of threads have been a bit OTT in terms of degenerating into 'woe and alas' territory. I don't think I'd ever moderate that (I think the debate should take it's course wherever possible) but I think it's a shame. I don't understand the fuss about the Car Boot thing. I can understand why people might be critical of the club in the context of a 'fiddling while Rome burns' kind of argument. Not saying I agree with it but I think the view is valid. But, it does seem a shame to me if threads about signings, new players and football side stuff disappear into that territory so I can see the point there and I can also understand why people would only want to talk about football stuff -that's a fair criticism I think, the old forums were definitely primarily set up to discuss behind the scenes matters so it's not surprising that bias has carried across. Is there any legs at all in the idea of splitting our main forum here into some kind of separate 'on-field' and 'off field' strands? Do people have any views on this? I agree with you 100% irish, particularly the bit I've bolded. Quite ironic really all things considered.......!
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Post by Angas on Jun 9, 2014 10:53:46 GMT
I agree with you 100% irish, particularly the bit I've bolded. Quite ironic really all things considered.......!
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Post by Bernard Briggs on Jun 9, 2014 11:13:38 GMT
when you think about it bristol rovers having 2 3 or 4 forums how many must liverpool man utd or even derby county have?? A quick search on Google for Liverpool Forums shows shed loads. A slight difference in numbers though. #3 on the list is forums.liverpoolfc.com/ and it currently boasts: Threads : 63,377, Posts : 3,504,768, Members : 230,834We have a way to go yet! I can just imagine the average thread on a Liverpool forum. "Calm down, calm down."
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irishrover
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Post by irishrover on Jun 9, 2014 12:46:09 GMT
A quick search on Google for Liverpool Forums shows shed loads. A slight difference in numbers though. #3 on the list is forums.liverpoolfc.com/ and it currently boasts: Threads : 63,377, Posts : 3,504,768, Members : 230,834We have a way to go yet! I can just imagine the average thread on a Liverpool forum. "Calm down, calm down." In reality I imagine the average thread on a Liverpool (or United or Arsenal or City or Chelsea etc) forum probably goes something like this 'Hi, I from Shanghai. I've been fan of EPL team Liverpool for long years, ever since great man Suarez sign. When is new shirt out?' Just the reality of what a lot of those forums are for - to tap into the global market of football fans.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 9, 2014 13:00:56 GMT
Hi Nick, how you enjoying this new forum then ? :welcome: Um, er at the end of the day, I hope that it continues to grow without there being any liti, liti, liti, libellous comments. And hopefully I mean that. I remember Nick stumbling over that word and shouting LITIGEOUS at the TV. Poor fella was so uptight at that time. I felt sorry for him
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 9, 2014 13:13:40 GMT
By the very nature of forums there will always be disagreement and argument. I used to say the following on the OF, the best place to air grievances is in the forums and then show a united front when at matches. I am proud to say I was/am in the FFSC and that was full of people who disagreed with how the club was run but we still backed those quartered players at every game. I see no problem at all in having a rant on here and getting it out of your system as long as you show support on the match days. The players need backing, us booing and giving them stick does no good whatsoever. I post on all of the forums but feel this is the one closest to the reality that is going on. It's a shame others feel otherwise. It can be very difficult to not take some posters personally when they not only slag your opinion off in here but then go running to Geoff and others on twitter, like some school kid looking to curry favour to the schoolyard bully. One thing I have learned is that some of the posters definitely report back to Sir but I see that as a good thing now if it brings important topics to their attention. We really do need to keep the pressure on this board IMO.
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