faggotygas
Byron Anthony
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 12, 2014 8:03:17 GMT
Jeff Please dont get drawn into an over reaction by one member. By the rule you have just posted you will be duty bound to delete the Wetherspoons thread, you dont mean that, surely. its ok, I just made it Rovers related
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Sept 12, 2014 8:31:32 GMT
Oh dear the infamous anchor is out, worked spectacularly well last time.
At least Jeff has used it & not accompanied it with inappropriate comments inflaming the ssituation like the mod did the first time it was used
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brizzle
Lindsay Parsons
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Post by brizzle on Sept 12, 2014 18:00:46 GMT
It seems Oldie as though some deliberately want to provoke a response and/or a deletion and then complain about censorship. That's why I agree that it is better to let it fall and concentrate on the football posts. And I agree we all have a responsibility to use our freedom of speech wisely. I don't wish to appear argumentative Cheshire, but I'm trying to understand what the point of the abolition of the Current Affairs section is. Now I'm aware that I have been firmly put in my place in the past couple of weeks by two moderators for not ''towing the line,'' and I am suitably chastened by that experience, but I do continue to wonder. As an example we had a thread posted yesterday about the Twin Towers and the whole 9/11 experience, which inevitably devolved as these things do. I requested that the moderator should delete my thread if he thought it inappropriate, but no action was taken. But interestingly a fellow forum member did object. Fair enough, I say. But the point is that if there had been a Current Affairs section, then (assuming that the section was adequately monitored), then no-one would have been offended. There have been other threads in which current affairs have raised their heads in the Gas Guzzler forum over the past couple of days, but these have been indulged by the moderators. I would respectfully ask, where is the consistency? Now I'm well aware that moderators give up their own time to the forum without recompense, and that posters should exercise a degree of self control, but if we want to avoid a situation where current affairs creep into other forums threads then a separate section should be reintroduced. Let me be clear, I do agree with other posters who complain about rhetorical arguments, and other ''strange'' topics, because I don't enjoy reading them myself . . . in fact I don't, I avoid them like the plague. Similarly I can see the merit in the argument that this is a football forum, and not a Current Affairs forum. But as an example I always thoroughly enjoyed contributing to (and reading) the Scottish Independence thread, as I know several others did as well. Similarly I would have looked forward to contributing to a thread on Ian Paisley, as I'm certain that one would have been started by now. I'm aware that many on here would say that if one wanted to contribute to these subjects, then they should go to another forum. But that's missing the point, isn't it?
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dinsdale
Andy Rammell
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Post by dinsdale on Sept 12, 2014 18:08:22 GMT
Ian Paisley !! What could go wrong !!!
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brizzle
Lindsay Parsons
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Post by brizzle on Sept 12, 2014 18:48:17 GMT
Ian Paisley !! What could go wrong !!! I like that dinsdale, you've gotta laff, 'aven't you.
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 12, 2014 18:50:37 GMT
Brizzle I understand what you are saying and if people could have debated respectfully and within the bounds of the law then I am sure the anniversary of 9/11, the passing of Ian Paisley, and other topics which invite often heated debate would have been a welcome aside from our football discussions.
However as has been shown the moderators would have to moderate it constantly and that was something that was not only time consuming but to be honest quite tedious. The constant references to and naming of people allegedly involved in paedophile rings left the administrators and possibly the moderators open to legal action, something which none of us can afford both from a financial and work perspective. Not being legal eagles either there might be things allowed which actually crossed the legal line and ignorance of what crosses that line is no excuse or defence.
The constant abuse of posters to be honest was not only often immature but in some cases particularly nasty, vitriolic and unwarranted. It was also totally unnecessary. If people cannot debate in a mature manner then why bother. To have to sit and read posts of people name calling and posting comments which were borderline racist and hate speech is not only tedious but mind numbing.
Further as soon as you try to bring the abuse, legal breaches and hate speak under control you are accused of censorship. So when the question was raised "Is it worth having this on a football forum?" then the easy answer was no. It simply wasn't worth the time, effort and hassle plus the potential of leaving the forum admin open to legal action.
My personal view (not that of the admin or other mods!) is that perhaps when people have had time to think it over it may come back, but as I say that is a personal view. Having been abused myself on there I am ambivalent either way to be honest.
Regards Cheshire
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brizzle
Lindsay Parsons
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Post by brizzle on Sept 12, 2014 19:29:29 GMT
Many thanks for the reply Cheshiregas, most kind of you to take the trouble, and very succinctly put if I may say so. After reading it I am now even more totally au fait with the moderators ruling than I was previously, so in that respect you have made your point admirably. I still do not agree however, but I accept that as I am in a minority of one, and perhaps more importantly you have the final word, I'll withdraw. The only point that I would make (in conclusion) is to draw your attention to the number of posts that are appearing in the Gas Guzzler section, that are not BRFC (or even football) related, most probably because there is nowhere else for them to go. May I ask how you propose to deal with them, or will you just ignore/allow them?
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zfc
Bobby Zamora
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Post by zfc on Sept 12, 2014 19:51:33 GMT
Zfc why do you use this forum ? In the ten years or so you have been using them you contribute nothing to the football discussion and crop up once in a blue moon to slag off black people. Its very strange. In 10 years I have contributed plenty to the football forum although it does seem a little weird that you now claim to have been checking what I post on for a decade. As for slagging off black people it seems that you do not read all my posts which makes you a liar.I don`t slag off all black people infact when in my teens I was considered a ****** lover because my first serious girlfriend happened to be mixed race and my best mate was black.Water off a ducks back to me the same as it when you and the lynch mob play the predictable race card. Comparing all black people to Somalians shows how ignorant you are on the subject and you would be horrified to know what the caribbean community who happen to be black think of the Somalian black community, to someone like you they may be one of the same but they are completely different. I suppose you could get the race card out and accuse the blacks of hating the blacks.
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