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Post by DudeLebowski on Sept 9, 2014 14:44:33 GMT
You people know this is just a forum right!? jeeeeeeeeeesh. Fk you! It's my world. I can't say much, I first started on this thing whilst sat in my sixth form IT class 11 years ago!
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 9, 2014 14:48:21 GMT
Nobby the thing is when the new version of the independent forum was set up we did not wish to take the current affairs section with us, however the admin team relented and added it.
However and I have been honest about this I no longer have the will or inclination to view and or moderate said section reading the same bullsh*t every day.
The other sub sections don’t bring up any heated arguments and get on perfectly fine. The Gas Guzzler section is bigger than ever and it seems requires more vigilance by the moderating team. Where threads are modded a reason is always attempted to be given. We are not faceless moderators (well I certainly am not) and we attempt to moderate as little as possible.
Bladder may well be willing to Mod the current affairs section, however the overall responsibility of the entire forum lies with the Admin team of Oxon, Jeff and SO and the liability is theirs. If they no longer wish to be liable for it, it doesn’t matter who a mod is on that section
It really is that simple, being a moderate on a subsection is not a defence for the admin team if anything should arise
If anyone else would like to help moderate the rest of the forum with myself Irish, contact the admin team of Jeff, SO or Oxon
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Post by jozer on Sept 9, 2014 14:59:05 GMT
The problem with the CA section was ironically that it was always dominated by people who 'support' Israel United or AFC Palestine as if they were football teams. Don't blame the mods one bit for not wanting to be bothered with such drivel. There are plently of politics forums out there.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 9, 2014 15:07:29 GMT
Sprout, relax. If you want to close the Current Affairs then that's your business ! It's your sand pit. I personally run a Message Board and I don't really understand your complaints of 'too much work', but hey ho, if that's the reason then so be it. But there are some on this board who are, shall we say, a bit precious, and pandering to their bleating doesn't do anyone any favours.......dare I say it without wearing body armour, but that's a bit like the old Official Forum? Just saying.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 9, 2014 15:13:46 GMT
The problem with the CA section was ironically that it was always dominated by people who 'support' Israel United or AFC Palestine as if they were football teams. Don't blame the mods one bit for not wanting to be bothered with such drivel. There are plently of politics forums out there. The problem with the CA forum was Wes and his conspiracy stuff. He was posting stuff that was way out of order. The people who posted on there did try to warn him, and in a way tried to self moderate the forum, but he refused to listen. The problem wasn't the Israel/Palestine stuff but the stuff Wes was posting regarding alleged Peados. The guy is off his head and any suggestion he should be involved in scouting for Rovers should be laughed at.
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Post by brizzle on Sept 9, 2014 15:20:40 GMT
Bladder has offered to moderate the Currant Affairs forum. So have others. As has been said, do you also advocate the closing of the Rugby, Cricket, Film, Music etc Forums as they are also non-football? Steady on old chap, a joke's a joke and all that . . . but you can go too far you know, there are limits. Close the Music Forum? Indeed.
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Post by jozer on Sept 9, 2014 15:21:43 GMT
The problem with the CA section was ironically that it was always dominated by people who 'support' Israel United or AFC Palestine as if they were football teams. Don't blame the mods one bit for not wanting to be bothered with such drivel. There are plently of politics forums out there. The problem with the CA forum was Wes and his conspiracy stuff. He was posting stuff that was way out of order. The people who posted on there did try to warn him, and in a way tried to self moderate the forum, but he refused to listen. The problem wasn't the Israel/Palestine stuff but the stuff Wes was posting regarding alleged Peados. The guy is off his head and any suggestion he should be involved in scouting for Rovers should be laughed at. I'll take your word for it as I gave up on the CA section a long time back. But why you would assume someone is unfit to be employed by Rovers just because they are a dribbling paranoid loon defeats me. Sounds like perfect company for Box 1.
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Post by therealist on Sept 9, 2014 15:26:55 GMT
The problem with the CA section was ironically that it was always dominated by people who 'support' Israel United or AFC Palestine as if they were football teams. Don't blame the mods one bit for not wanting to be bothered with such drivel. There are plently of politics forums out there. The problem with the CA forum was Wes and his conspiracy stuff. He was posting stuff that was way out of order. The people who posted on there did try to warn him, and in a way tried to self moderate the forum, but he refused to listen. The problem wasn't the Israel/Palestine stuff but the stuff Wes was posting regarding alleged Peados. The guy is off his head and any suggestion he should be involved in scouting for Rovers should be laughed at. Easy to call names behind a computer screen - PM me and say it to my face, or do you prefer the cowardice approach?
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Post by brizzle on Sept 9, 2014 15:29:21 GMT
Just to confirm, we are on the Gas Guzzler section, aren't we?
''All things Rovers related'' indeed.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 9, 2014 15:37:02 GMT
There is a delete account option in the user profile settings if people need it, I think. I'd be sorry to lose you though bladder - I know that there's been criticism of aspects of the forum recently, including the way it's run. Some unjustified, but some deserved I expect. Overall though, I think we managed to cultivate a pretty good atmosphere over 8 years since the original alternative forum started, and it would be a shame if posters from that period decided to leave. There have been a lot of changes recently at BRFC and on the forum(s), but hopefully people will stick with it until things get smoother, and we all get more used to operating on a forum with a much larger user base. All sounds more than reasonable, and I hope Bladder stays as well. But who complained, and what about to lead you to remove the Current Affairs section? What exactly did you expect to happen in a section with that title? It was no worse and no better than it had been for the preceeding 8 years. In fact, things got quite entertaining around the time of the last general election and in the months that followed, by comparison, what was being posted recently shouldn't have caused too much of an issue to any level headed person? Of course you don't expect anything else - but that's exactly the problem. We had a discussion before when this new version of the forum was set up about whether we were prepared to keep that section going because of the admin time it could potentially take up and the fact that none of the moderators were very interested in it. At that time the number of issues related to it were relatively low (though we always received a regular stream) and so we decided that we could keep it going. Over the last 2-3 months that's steadily risen well passed the point where it was taking the majority of our admin time to moderate it. At that point several moderators said they were no longer prepared to continue moderating it as that wasn't the purpose of the Forum or the reason they signed up to be a moderator; this increased the workload on the ones who were still prepared moderate it. Pleas have been put out for help with general moderation before to no effect (and if anyone wants to volunteer moderate the site or take my place then please do so - more than happy, especially after the last few days). Now, due to changing circumstances, other moderators no longer have the time to give it the attention it needs so we have had no choice but to close it down because that is a condition of the site. We have tried to offer alternative ideas. It wasn't one person causing problems or one or two people complaining about the same issues or specific posters; we've had that previously and we dealt with it as best we could. This was an increasing volume of different types of complaints; there were a number of complaints about personal abuse and libellous comments (some of these were serious enough for us to take action) but the most serious (I think - full administrators may be able to confirm this) from our perspective were the ones related to potential copyright infringement issues and offensive images because these potentially violate the rules of our host and could have led to the whole site being shutdown. So both the number and seriousness (in terms of implications) of the complaints were going up over time which suggested that the section needed closer moderating at a time when fewer and fewer moderators were prepared to put up with the fuss. I can completely understand why people would be unhappy with this. We discussed this a number of times but in the end it just became an issue of practicality - no one was prepared to moderate it anymore so it couldn't continue. Yes, there were different reasons for that. In my case I'm just not interested in managing a current affairs site - I spend most of my working life debating and talking about that stuff; I come here because I want to talk about Rovers and get away from it. Others were worried that there was increasingly libellous material on there or just thought we shouldn't have a Current Affairs section on a Rovers site full stop anyway. None of us were very interested in it as far as I know but we see it as an add-on that has been on the site previously (like the general football, cricket, food, film etc). All of us were perfectly happy to leave it as it was while it was only causing a minimum of issues - when it started taking up the majority of our time (and with increasingly concerning issues re; the future of the site) it got to the stage where the last person who was prepared to moderate it (who I think was PP) no longer was and we had to shut it down. To be fair the rest of us were still fed up with that anyway because you can't seperate out issues by section so we still had to look through all the reported issues every time we came on in case one of them wasn't from Current Affairs - so refusing to moderate it didn't actually save much admin time anyway. Personally I was on the verge of giving up moderating full stop because of the amount of crap I had to wade through to deal with the bits I actually gave a damn about. That's before you even get to what the Admin's are prepared to accept liability for - it's a much bigger implication for them. The answer to why we didn't close the other extra sections is simple - they've given us very few problems or issues so there's no particular reason why they shouldn't continue as they take up very little admin time but when something becomes harder to manage than the Rovers forum itself then its counter-productive to the purpose of the forum really. As PP said - this isn't a closed shop; all moderators and admins contribute to the forum as normal posters so people are aware of our opinions on a number of topics (and know that we all have very different views), we've asked several times for help with moderating and it's been stated that anyone can ask to be a moderator. I'd quite like to get back to talking about Rovers now.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 15:54:00 GMT
Think everyone will feel happier after to-night's big win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 15:54:35 GMT
Nobby the thing is when the new version of the independent forum was set up we did not wish to take the current affairs section with us, however the admin team relented and added it.
However and I have been honest about this I no longer have the will or inclination to view and or moderate said section reading the same bullsh*t every day.
The other sub sections don’t bring up any heated arguments and get on perfectly fine. The Gas Guzzler section is bigger than ever and it seems requires more vigilance by the moderating team. Where threads are modded a reason is always attempted to be given. We are not faceless moderators (well I certainly am not) and we attempt to moderate as little as possible.
Bladder may well be willing to Mod the current affairs section, however the overall responsibility of the entire forum lies with the Admin team of Oxon, Jeff and SO and the liability is theirs. If they no longer wish to be liable for it, it doesn’t matter who a mod is on that section
It really is that simple, being a moderate on a subsection is not a defence for the admin team if anything should arise
If anyone else would like to help moderate the rest of the forum with myself Irish, contact the admin team of Jeff, SO or Oxon
Sprout
So, did anyone complain, as I think Strung Out has said, or did the admin team just not want to do it any more? All I'm doing is trying to understand what's actually happened here. If Bladder became part of the admin team then he would have the same responsibility / liability as the rest of admin. He's one of the posters who always seems to make sense to me, I see no reason why, if he wanted to do it, he couldn't moderate all sections?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 16:09:06 GMT
Right I've chilled a bit now . Can I make it clear my sneaky b'stards jibe was not aimed at the mods . My gripe was Chewbacca stirring it up on here and whoever was complaining about God knows what behind-the-scenes . I myself flagged a thread the other day but for what I thought was a valid reason not a difference of opinions . Right we move on utg
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 9, 2014 16:15:51 GMT
Mean while back at the ranch........
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Post by dinsdale on Sept 9, 2014 16:40:14 GMT
The last thing i want to read on a football forum is right wing politics generalising about race / religion or whatever. Thanks to the mods for keeping this forum about the one thing that brings us all together rather then separates us.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 9, 2014 16:41:27 GMT
Nobby the thing is when the new version of the independent forum was set up we did not wish to take the current affairs section with us, however the admin team relented and added it.
However and I have been honest about this I no longer have the will or inclination to view and or moderate said section reading the same bullsh*t every day.
The other sub sections don’t bring up any heated arguments and get on perfectly fine. The Gas Guzzler section is bigger than ever and it seems requires more vigilance by the moderating team. Where threads are modded a reason is always attempted to be given. We are not faceless moderators (well I certainly am not) and we attempt to moderate as little as possible.
Bladder may well be willing to Mod the current affairs section, however the overall responsibility of the entire forum lies with the Admin team of Oxon, Jeff and SO and the liability is theirs. If they no longer wish to be liable for it, it doesn’t matter who a mod is on that section
It really is that simple, being a moderate on a subsection is not a defence for the admin team if anything should arise
If anyone else would like to help moderate the rest of the forum with myself Irish, contact the admin team of Jeff, SO or Oxon
Sprout
So, did anyone complain, as I think Strung Out has said, or did the admin team just not want to do it any more? All I'm doing is trying to understand what's actually happened here. If Bladder became part of the admin team then he would have the same responsibility / liability as the rest of admin. He's one of the posters who always seems to make sense to me, I see no reason why, if he wanted to do it, he couldn't moderate all sections? As I said above - it was a combination of the 2. There was an increasing number of complaints of various kinds related to that section. Several of the moderation team were already refusing to moderate that section before issues started increasing and few of us had any enthusiasm for that section in the first place (as was said above it nearly wasn't migrated as the existing team were already fed up with the hastle it produced). As the number of issues grew more members of the moderating team decided they couldn't be bothered with the hastle anymore. Previous requests asking for extra help with moderation were not responded to. I don't think there's much more I can add to the full explanation I put on the bottom of page 1 (maybe you missed it because the thread ticked over) - it's about as comprehensive (as in long, dull and pedantic) as I could possibly make it but that's the full explanation from my perspective; which is all any of us can really offer. It's a decision for the admins but I imagine Bladder would be very welcome to be a moderator if he wants to be one. He can PM one of the admins if he's interested. But it is the admins (as in Jeff, Oxon and Strung Out) that have full responsibility for this site - they're the ones who really put the effort and hard yards in to keep this thing going and none of them are prepared to accept liability for the Current Affairs section anymore, partly because I think it's a requirement that an Admin oversees all aspects of the site (including moderation) - so that's part of it as well. Sorry for this discussion taking place on the Rovers section (as some have pointed out) but I think it's fair that conversations about the site in general take place on this section so that the most number of people can see our reasoning and raise any issues they have.
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Post by pirate on Sept 9, 2014 16:59:25 GMT
The problem with the CA section was ironically that it was always dominated by people who 'support' Israel United or AFC Palestine as if they were football teams. Don't blame the mods one bit for not wanting to be bothered with such drivel. There are plently of politics forums out there. The problem with the CA forum was Wes and his conspiracy stuff. He was posting stuff that was way out of order. The people who posted on there did try to warn him, and in a way tried to self moderate the forum, but he refused to listen. The problem wasn't the Israel/Palestine stuff but the stuff Wes was posting regarding alleged Peados. The guy is off his head and any suggestion he should be involved in scouting for Rovers should be laughed at. Some of the stuff he posted was hilarious though. If anyone screenshotted any of his ramblings please PM me.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Sept 9, 2014 17:09:26 GMT
Why, oh why do forums have to stay on topic? If a thread goes in to politics, religion etc, why on earth is that a problem?
I've noticed this really gets the goat of some, as it breaks the program! "Ve are talking about ze rovers, nicht Ze current affairs!"
If I don't like the the way a thread is going, I either voice it, or stop reading. I have to read hours of stuff about players years before I was born. On and on about eastville etc. While I revere and in no way want to put it down, it excludes anyone below 40 really. Can we make this current rovers talk? Isn't there an "old rovers nostalgia" section? Hope you see my point...we all have stuff which bores, irritates or offends us and the best policy is to let it rip....unless it's intentional derailment of threads in which case it's justified.
So, what do we think of Chinas occupation of Tibet? :-)
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Post by therealist on Sept 9, 2014 17:12:14 GMT
The problem with the CA forum was Wes and his conspiracy stuff. He was posting stuff that was way out of order. The people who posted on there did try to warn him, and in a way tried to self moderate the forum, but he refused to listen. The problem wasn't the Israel/Palestine stuff but the stuff Wes was posting regarding alleged Peados. The guy is off his head and any suggestion he should be involved in scouting for Rovers should be laughed at. Some of the stuff he posted was hilarious though. If anyone screenshotted any of his ramblings please PM me. Another sheeple suffering from cognitive dissonance. Baaaaa.
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Post by zfc on Sept 9, 2014 17:32:15 GMT
Were there really any complaints about the Palestine/Israel circular arguments?
I can imagine chewbacca and a few of the leftie race card players complaining on a constant basis about comments regarding the cancer that is Islam spreading rapidly throughout the western world but that is happening in our daily lives.
I can also understand some complaints about Wes and his conspiracy theories.
I didn`t think there were serious issues regarding the moderating of the CA section of the forum as I cannot recall any threads being deleted or any posts for that matter.
I know people are saying this is a Rovers forum but it has always been nice to discuss topics on different sports and other things within the same forum community and not having to scour the internet for a specialist one subject forum.
I fully understand the mods have other jobs and a life away from the forum but why not take bladder up on his offer to moderate a CA section for a trial period of say 6 weeks wouldn`t that be a fair resolution?
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