bloogas
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Post by bloogas on Sept 23, 2021 11:28:43 GMT
[quote source="/post/239267/thread" timestamp="1632390981" author=" Peter Parker" But this is a new age, a new generation and a new world. Abso bloody lutely this. I'm 73 and I know it. The World has changed vastly, radically. The advent of the internet and social media of all sorts have swept away former practices. To try to live in some cosy bubble of 1958 or 1973 is futile.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 23, 2021 11:31:07 GMT
Wish him the best of luck. The SC could do worse than have a chat to the likes of the GasCast crew, Her Game Too, some of the social media Rovers sites and some of the younger generation. See why they are not engaged with the SC, find out why and what they think is missing, and try and entice them and perhaps do a bit of joint promotion. See if its possible to get everyone on a smilar page and get the show back on the road all round. It simple really, the gas cast and social media people are talkers, not doers And that kind of shows the ignorance that there is around the power of social media, its reach as well as its ability to fund and monitise various channels. To create and make a successful podcast/social media channel takes creativity, ability to put that into effect, edit and then in the right areas for exposure. If you can garner 8-10k subscribers to youtube it would earn you around £1000 per month in revenue. Do something where you could engage more fans as well as fans from other clubs and you have the potential to unlock more ad based revenue.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 23, 2021 11:32:28 GMT
Totally agree with this sentiment! The whole attitude of BRSC and its acolytes has been that people should go to them, approach them, ask to be involved with them. This is not the 1970s and through their actions the BRSC has lost its influence. If you want people to work with you, you can't be arrogant and expect them to knock on your door. You have to work for it! I wish the new Chair and committee all the best for the future. But this is a new age, a new generation and a new world. They need to be proactive and their approach to the club is a good start. I think some of the responses in this thread perfectly some up the challenge. The SC can no longer be about just 50/50 and selling programmes, things have moved on so much in the world around us. For many, buying a programme is of no interest now, sadly, its all social media for the younger generation. Its a shame, I use to always get a programme, part of my routine (not this season sadly - the programme is cr*p) Re Caz & "Her game too", never met her but agree 100% with PP. Think of this in respect of the role of a supporters club. Its clear that many female supporters have felt uncomfortable and been treated with a lack of respect at matches for years. Surely, as a Supporters Club "Her Game Too" is a campaign they should embrace and support? The SC should be contacting Caz to see what the SC can do to help and how they can help support its female members. They should be all over it. Just one example. Its so bloody obvious - or is it just me? About as bleedin obvious as the fact we need a new stadium.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Sept 23, 2021 11:48:57 GMT
I think some of the responses in this thread perfectly some up the challenge. The SC can no longer be about just 50/50 and selling programmes, things have moved on so much in the world around us. For many, buying a programme is of no interest now, sadly, its all social media for the younger generation. Its a shame, I use to always get a programme, part of my routine (not this season sadly - the programme is cr*p) Re Caz & "Her game too", never met her but agree 100% with PP. Think of this in respect of the role of a supporters club. Its clear that many female supporters have felt uncomfortable and been treated with a lack of respect at matches for years. Surely, as a Supporters Club "Her Game Too" is a campaign they should embrace and support? The SC should be contacting Caz to see what the SC can do to help and how they can help support its female members. They should be all over it. Just one example. Its so bloody obvious - or is it just me? About as bleedin obvious as the fact we need a new stadium. The SC needs to be looking beyond it’s own members in an act of reconciliation with Rovers fans. The membership is generally a very small demographic, long term fans of a certain age. Whilst there are a few female committee members, it’s not reflective of the fan base in particular and Bristol as a whole. I would suggest that the SC try to create a Working Party, made up both of members and long standing critics, whose sole aim is to see how it can be made fit for purpose for 2021. Not holding my breath though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 12:12:38 GMT
About as bleedin obvious as the fact we need a new stadium. The SC needs to be looking beyond it’s own members in an act of reconciliation with Rovers fans. The membership is generally a very small demographic, long term fans of a certain age. Whilst there are a few female committee members, it’s not reflective of the fan base in particular and Bristol as a whole. I would suggest that the SC try to create a Working Party, made up both of members and long standing critics, whose sole aim is to see how it can be made fit for purpose for 2021. Not holding my breath though. There are probably several of us on here who would have no problem at all with explaining in a civilised way where we think they've gone wrong and what they can do about it, but if it's the same people hanging around the EC table as when I was last there it's going to take significant time and energy to drag them all, kicking and screaming into 2021. They would need to be committed to both change and to drawing a line in the sand today and not looking over their shoulders. I wonder if they can do that? It could be quite a slog if the same people are still there who nodded in agreement when a SS Director sat there, and with a straight face attempted to justify voting to dilute his own share holding whilst at the same time committing to purchasing future shares at, from memory, 250% of the previous price, and he was claiming that the new deal now represented better value. One person at a meeting even famously asked ''why does share price matter?''. You can deal with all of that stuff, but it takes time and you'll need an objective to work towards, you aren't going to get the mindset of those people where you want it to be in a single 1 hour meeting. As for broadening it's appeal, yep, couldn't agree more, that's exactly what the SC needs to do. Their website isn't dreadful, and appears to be updated fairly regularly, and whilst you need a website, as you know as well as anybody, there's an awful lot more than that to effective communication now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 12:46:48 GMT
Totally agree with this sentiment! The whole attitude of BRSC and its acolytes has been that people should go to them, approach them, ask to be involved with them. This is not the 1970s and through their actions the BRSC has lost its influence. If you want people to work with you, you can't be arrogant and expect them to knock on your door. You have to work for it! I wish the new Chair and committee all the best for the future. But this is a new age, a new generation and a new world. They need to be proactive and their approach to the club is a good start. I think some of the responses in this thread perfectly some up the challenge. The SC can no longer be about just 50/50 and selling programmes, things have moved on so much in the world around us. For many, buying a programme is of no interest now, sadly, its all social media for the younger generation. Its a shame, I use to always get a programme, part of my routine (not this season sadly - the programme is cr*p) Re Caz & "Her game too", never met her but agree 100% with PP. Think of this in respect of the role of a supporters club. Its clear that many female supporters have felt uncomfortable and been treated with a lack of respect at matches for years. Surely, as a Supporters Club "Her Game Too" is a campaign they should embrace and support? The SC should be contacting Caz to see what the SC can do to help and how they can help support its female members. They should be all over it. Just one example. Its so bloody obvious - or is it just me? I think most of the simple things have been so obvious and that is why trying to help or just supporting Bristol Rovers FC has been so frustrating for so many people. There appears to be a slight swell in the number of people beginning to ask why have we been so crap for so long when the potential is there for all to see.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 23, 2021 14:33:26 GMT
I think some of the responses in this thread perfectly some up the challenge. The SC can no longer be about just 50/50 and selling programmes, things have moved on so much in the world around us. For many, buying a programme is of no interest now, sadly, its all social media for the younger generation. Its a shame, I use to always get a programme, part of my routine (not this season sadly - the programme is cr*p) Re Caz & "Her game too", never met her but agree 100% with PP. Think of this in respect of the role of a supporters club. Its clear that many female supporters have felt uncomfortable and been treated with a lack of respect at matches for years. Surely, as a Supporters Club "Her Game Too" is a campaign they should embrace and support? The SC should be contacting Caz to see what the SC can do to help and how they can help support its female members. They should be all over it. Just one example. Its so bloody obvious - or is it just me? I think most of the simple things have been so obvious and that is why trying to help or just supporting Bristol Rovers FC has been so frustrating for so many people. There appears to be a slight swell in the number of people beginning to ask why have we been so crap for so long when the potential is there for all to see. The same people that say that the club modernising and being professional that is isolating them are the same people that isolated the ones that could see the lack of forward thinking and were prevented from throwing new ideas forward. Now there is a two-fold problem because the new ownership wanted to modernise and part of the old regime didnt, the old regime then criticised the new owners for going it alone and saw no future past dinner dances and bingo and it has caused a division. Thankfully David can heal that rift and everything can move forward.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 14:42:06 GMT
I think most of the simple things have been so obvious and that is why trying to help or just supporting Bristol Rovers FC has been so frustrating for so many people. There appears to be a slight swell in the number of people beginning to ask why have we been so crap for so long when the potential is there for all to see. The same people that say that the club modernising and being professional that is isolating them are the same people that isolated the ones that could see the lack of forward thinking and were prevented from throwing new ideas forward. Now there is a two-fold problem because the new ownership wanted to modernise and part of the old regime didnt, the old regime then criticised the new owners for going it alone and saw no future past dinner dances and bingo and it has caused a division. Thankfully David can heal that rift and everything can move forward. Good, so you can work with David and get yourself inside of the SC, where you wanted to be.
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 23, 2021 14:45:02 GMT
I think most of the simple things have been so obvious and that is why trying to help or just supporting Bristol Rovers FC has been so frustrating for so many people. There appears to be a slight swell in the number of people beginning to ask why have we been so crap for so long when the potential is there for all to see. The same people that say that the club modernising and being professional that is isolating them are the same people that isolated the ones that could see the lack of forward thinking and were prevented from throwing new ideas forward. Now there is a two-fold problem because the new ownership wanted to modernise and part of the old regime didnt, the old regime then criticised the new owners for going it alone and saw no future past dinner dances and bingo and it has caused a division. Thankfully David can heal that rift and everything can move forward. Disco's and Tea dances now then .... socially distanced of course........ though i have only ever been in the SC for about 4 years as my son was also a Junior pirate at the same time [he now being 37!!] it was always seemed to be a slow motion sort of thing
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 23, 2021 14:51:03 GMT
Agree with that, they do reach their targeted audience but i will say again, its chat and information and not unless they approach the SC new chair, to come on the cast then I don’t see how it will help. Maybe I’m being blinkered but they are totally separate entities Thats the wrong way round KP. Some people might come forward to help out, but no point in the SC waiting for people to come to them as it might as well just pack up The argument has been the same for nearly 20 years. Its the SC that need to be proactive and move with the times. Ignore Gascast for a second. Does the SC have its own youtube channel? Perhaps it should start its own podcast I dont like to use the term influencer, but Caz May has a large social media presence. Nearly 12k twitter followers. She has almost 3 times as many followers as the SC. Waiting for these people to come to you will get you nowhere Might have been a different story if Jim had undone a few more buttons in his profile pic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 15:15:32 GMT
Thats the wrong way round KP. Some people might come forward to help out, but no point in the SC waiting for people to come to them as it might as well just pack up The argument has been the same for nearly 20 years. Its the SC that need to be proactive and move with the times. Ignore Gascast for a second. Does the SC have its own youtube channel? Perhaps it should start its own podcast I dont like to use the term influencer, but Caz May has a large social media presence. Nearly 12k twitter followers. She has almost 3 times as many followers as the SC. Waiting for these people to come to you will get you nowhere Might have been a different story if Jim had undone a few more buttons in his profile pic. I'm so glad a woman pointed this out.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 23, 2021 15:49:34 GMT
Build it and they will come Kevin Costner Field of dreams
New stadium New Supporters club New podcast
We are all in it together want the same things ..a club we are proud to support
All the support organisations need to get together and share their skills and resources for the greater good. No egos no back biting but an opportunity to make a difference.
We don't need to hide behind keyboards and slag off BRSC or Presidents club but Make an effort to engage with all the fan base.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 15:57:10 GMT
Build it and they will come Kevin Costner Field of dreams New stadium New Supporters club New podcast We are all in it together want the same things ..a club we are proud to support All the support organisations need to get together and share their skills and resources for the greater good. No egos no back biting but an opportunity to make a difference. We don't need to hide behind keyboards and slag off BRSC or Presidents club but Make an effort to engage with all the fan base. I said the very same a couple of days ago. We need leadership from within to make this happen though.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 23, 2021 16:05:37 GMT
The same people that say that the club modernising and being professional that is isolating them are the same people that isolated the ones that could see the lack of forward thinking and were prevented from throwing new ideas forward. Now there is a two-fold problem because the new ownership wanted to modernise and part of the old regime didnt, the old regime then criticised the new owners for going it alone and saw no future past dinner dances and bingo and it has caused a division. Thankfully David can heal that rift and everything can move forward. Good, so you can work with David and get yourself inside of the SC, where you wanted to be. I've made contact with David. I've offered to meet him. Who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 18:02:47 GMT
Good, so you can work with David and get yourself inside of the SC, where you wanted to be. I've made contact with David. I've offered to meet him. Who knows? Well done. From experience you soon find out who has the best interests of the club at heart over and above their own positions and personal aspirations.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 23, 2021 21:33:15 GMT
I've made contact with David. I've offered to meet him. Who knows? Well done. From experience you soon find out who has the best interests of the club at heart over and above their own positions and personal aspirations. We’ll soon find out I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 21:43:05 GMT
I've made contact with David. I've offered to meet him. Who knows? Well done. From experience you soon find out who has the best interests of the club at heart over and above their own positions and personal aspirations.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 24, 2021 14:15:11 GMT
It simple really, the gas cast and social media people are talkers, not doers And that kind of shows the ignorance that there is around the power of social media, its reach as well as its ability to fund and monitise various channels. To create and make a successful podcast/social media channel takes creativity, ability to put that into effect, edit and then in the right areas for exposure. If you can garner 8-10k subscribers to youtube it would earn you around £1000 per month in revenue. Do something where you could engage more fans as well as fans from other clubs and you have the potential to unlock more ad based revenue. I do know this but ask gascast if they make any money Steve, they are funded by patreons. I do not believe, not for one moment, we would have outward interest in Rovers, to make any money for the club. Prove me wrong and do something mate. Look at our iFollow numbers and you will see that’s not even 2K, #hergametoo is not a money making product but rather a cause so before you start calling someone ignorant, please show how you believe it would benefit the clubs coffers. I really don’t understand you at times as you can be very politically polite but then spoil it with such comments. YouTube already has a club channel so ,ask TG can tell you how much it makes for the club please forgive my many typos lately but i have a new iPad and it struggles with me changing languages so often, i do try to edit where i see it though and am doing so, on this post
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 14:23:07 GMT
And that kind of shows the ignorance that there is around the power of social media, its reach as well as its ability to fund and monitise various channels. To create and make a successful podcast/social media channel takes creativity, ability to put that into effect, edit and then in the right areas for exposure. If you can garner 8-10k subscribers to youtube it would earn you around £1000 per month in revenue. Do something where you could engage more fans as well as fans from other clubs and you have the potential to unlock more ad based revenue. I do know this but ask gascast if they make any money Steve, they are funded by patreons. I do not believe, not for one moment, we would have outward interest in Rovers, to make any money for the club. Prove me wrong and do something mate. Look at our iFollow numbers and you will see that’s not even 2K, #hergametoo is not a monety making product either so before you start calling someone ignorant, please show how you believe it would benefit the clubs coffers. I really don’t understand you at times as you can be very politically polite but then spoil it with such comments. YouTube already has a club channel so ,abbé TG can tell you how much it makes for the club
Looking forward to seeing figures from other clubs. The sad thing here is that with that 2nd promotion came a huge amount of media coverage and interest in the club, that was the time to get this stuff up and running and create outlets with interesting content that keep people's attention. It's going to be a bit harder to get any inertia going right now.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 24, 2021 14:32:54 GMT
Perhaps the gascast, mygametoo and other youngsters involved with social media should approach the BRSC to offer their services to help. They could offer to sell 50/50 tickets, programmes and maybe interview our young fans including young pirates to engage our whole fan base even the old codgers like me. Record longstanding fans memories for future generations to hear we did beat City in 1990 and managed league cup runs and got to Wembley a few times. Opportunity for everyone to benefit. But as KP says they are probably ...talkers not doers! I think that, with the listening figures they get, the various podcasters are doing a good job with the current content they produce -they are helping to keep fans engaged with the club. Hopefully the new SC can do the same, in different ways - the new Chairman's initial press release sounds hopeful of this happening. But you do understand the gascast is a sponsored thing, right ? I stand to be corrected but no money goes to the club, you can be a patreon should you wish. What i am trying to say but its either being ignored or not being thought out, is that socials and gascast are not money making. Ask yourself this question, would people listen if it were paid content or rather, would as many listen if it were paid to listen ? We just aren’t big enough to have outsiders or foreign listeners want to know about the club. Call me negative, ignorant or whatever people wish but that is a fact. We have had several groups try to build up independent and outside investing groups but the meetings have been nothing short of tragic. We have always been a club that has a lot of talkers but not doers, i am one of them but i have a very different reason why i cannot give the time as i cannot be relied upon to give definite dates and then know, for sure, i will be there. I won a free hospitality day but had to pass and because i was unable to move from my bed. Anything like this needs people who are fit, healthy and willing. To broadly say that social media would build up numbers and make money is ignoring the fact of who we are and the interest from the wider audience. I would love to know rovers YouTube figures and if it has even made any money at all.
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