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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 21:05:09 GMT
199 was the property number KP. It would be an amazing coincidence. Perhaps the SC hasn't received the full amount of the stolen money back yet Ann? It is possible that they just have a charge on the thief's home and have not enforced a sale. One of the AGM reports from JC (2017 I think) said that they had had most of the money back and were expecting to get the rest. I tried looking back re 199 but ended up more than a little confused. There's a note on the SC website from JC dated 2018 saying they were going to sell the property - having I think originally said in 2015 that that was the plan at some point. Looking at the accounts, the only large increase in 'cash at bank' was (I think) the year after money had been stolen. The majority of the missing money seemed to have been paid back, with a small amount (circa £32k) still owing. That seemed to tie in with JC's notes to the AGM. I could see no other increase in funds in any year apart from that. I can't remember when 199 was actually sold. Maybe the date is wrong on JC's note. That's the only explanation I can think of and possibly explains how they had so much money in the bank for someone to help themselves to. I did look up 199 on the Land Registry site, but it doesn't seem to be there. Maybe commercial properties are filed somewhere else? So who knows how much it sold for. The only figure I do seem to remember them quoting is £100k - to be kept aside from the proceeds of the sale and ringfenced to fit out the supporters bar area at UWE. Presumably it was decided there was no point continuing to ringfence it and some has since been used for other purposes. Great work Ann. I will try to get the missing figure.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 22, 2021 21:36:33 GMT
Perhaps the gascast, mygametoo and other youngsters involved with social media should approach the BRSC to offer their services to help. They could offer to sell 50/50 tickets, programmes and maybe interview our young fans including young pirates to engage our whole fan base even the old codgers like me. Record longstanding fans memories for future generations to hear we did beat City in 1990 and managed league cup runs and got to Wembley a few times.
Opportunity for everyone to benefit. But as KP says they are probably ...talkers not doers!
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 22, 2021 21:48:45 GMT
Perhaps the gascast, mygametoo and other youngsters involved with social media should approach the BRSC to offer their services to help. They could offer to sell 50/50 tickets, programmes and maybe interview our young fans including young pirates to engage our whole fan base even the old codgers like me. Record longstanding fans memories for future generations to hear we did beat City in 1990 and managed league cup runs and got to Wembley a few times. Opportunity for everyone to benefit. But as KP says they are probably ...talkers not doers! Because HerGameToo is a thing because Caz, Lucy and the other young ladies off other clubs have just sat around talking FanHub started by Harley These things arent magic Its a two way street, but if the SC (for thst is who we are talking about) are interested in utilising theirs or anybody elses talent, reach out and find out if they want to help or not. No good waiting for people to come to them The least I would be doing if I was new chair is asking to go on the Gascast podcast and bigging up the SC
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Post by Angas on Sept 22, 2021 22:24:20 GMT
To add to my previous post. It looks as if 199 was sold in 2015 but the shop continued to run from there until closing until 2018.
JC in Feb 2015 - "For some time now the Executive Committee of the Bristol Rovers Supporters Club have been considering the possibility of selling your supporters club shop at 199 Two Mile Hill Road. The vast majority of the funds raised by such a sale will form a major part of the Bristol Rovers Supporters Club contribution to new and improved facilities for supporters club members at the new stadium. Funds raised from the sale of the supporters club shop will be 'ring-fenced' and will only be available once building work on the new stadium has commenced. Any expenditure of these dedicated funds is also subject to a satisfactory agreement being reached between Bristol Rovers FC and the BRSC Executive Committee over the terms and conditions of the new supporters club facilities.
Selling the shop is our long term intention and we are currently in detailed negotiations and discussions with prospective buyers. There are still a number of key issues to be clarified before we are able to confirm any such sale or the precise way any sale will impact on you as a member.
We have considered a range of options in the last year and have been in discussions with a number of prospective purchasers. We have looked at buying other premises very close to Two Mile Hill Road and we have investigated the prospect of buying premises at other locations some distance away. We have also looked at the advantages and disadvantages of renting premises near the current shop, in the immediate vicinity and also elsewhere.
Throughout this process we have been actively trying to find a purchaser who was willing to allow us to maintain a shop presence on the ground floor after a sale. This option remains our preferred choice but the terms and conditions of any such deal need to be acceptable and reasonable."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 22:31:58 GMT
To add to my previous post. It looks as if 199 was sold in 2015 but the shop continued to run from there until closing until 2018. JC in Feb 2015 - "For some time now the Executive Committee of the Bristol Rovers Supporters Club have been considering the possibility of selling your supporters club shop at 199 Two Mile Hill Road. The vast majority of the funds raised by such a sale will form a major part of the Bristol Rovers Supporters Club contribution to new and improved facilities for supporters club members at the new stadium. Funds raised from the sale of the supporters club shop will be 'ring-fenced' and will only be available once building work on the new stadium has commenced. Any expenditure of these dedicated funds is also subject to a satisfactory agreement being reached between Bristol Rovers FC and the BRSC Executive Committee over the terms and conditions of the new supporters club facilities. Selling the shop is our long term intention and we are currently in detailed negotiations and discussions with prospective buyers. There are still a number of key issues to be clarified before we are able to confirm any such sale or the precise way any sale will impact on you as a member. We have considered a range of options in the last year and have been in discussions with a number of prospective purchasers. We have looked at buying other premises very close to Two Mile Hill Road and we have investigated the prospect of buying premises at other locations some distance away. We have also looked at the advantages and disadvantages of renting premises near the current shop, in the immediate vicinity and also elsewhere. Throughout this process we have been actively trying to find a purchaser who was willing to allow us to maintain a shop presence on the ground floor after a sale. This option remains our preferred choice but the terms and conditions of any such deal need to be acceptable and reasonable." Yes, looks like it was sold for c £110/120k and then rented from the new owner for a while.
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Post by Angas on Sept 22, 2021 22:36:08 GMT
SC Accounts
Current/Business Premium Bank Accounts - 2014 £14,700 2015 £152,887.
I'm guessing the difference would be the approximate sale price of 199. So it could be that £100k is still ringfenced for supporter facilities at a new stadium and the £50k the club are demanding be handed over now is the remainder. That seems to make sense.
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Post by Portishead Pirate on Sept 23, 2021 6:55:03 GMT
SC Accounts Current/Business Premium Bank Accounts - 2014 £14,700 2015 £152,887. I'm guessing the difference would be the approximate sale price of 199. So it could be that £100k is still ringfenced for supporter facilities at a new stadium and the £50k the club are demanding be handed over now is the remainder. That seems to make sense. Correct Ann. 199 was sold in Feb 2015 - original cost £40k, sale proceeds £136k before costs. Misappropriation of funds (£176k) happened over a period straddling the 15/16 and 16/17 accounts and was subsequently fully recovered including all associated costs. Seems an age ago now! PP
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 23, 2021 7:38:12 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 23, 2021 8:23:32 GMT
Perhaps the gascast, mygametoo and other youngsters involved with social media should approach the BRSC to offer their services to help. They could offer to sell 50/50 tickets, programmes and maybe interview our young fans including young pirates to engage our whole fan base even the old codgers like me. Record longstanding fans memories for future generations to hear we did beat City in 1990 and managed league cup runs and got to Wembley a few times. Opportunity for everyone to benefit. But as KP says they are probably ...talkers not doers! Harry, why do you attack those people when they are nothing to do with BRSC and why should they approach BRSC and sort out its problems? It was BRSC with JC at the helm that totally ignored other groups including at times its own members! Why should they sell 50/50 tickets etc and garner new fans for the BRSC. That's the job of BRSC which the EC has failed time and time again to do. They haven't attacked the BRSC, they have got on doing what they do and #hergametoo for example has done brilliantly in their own way - utilising social media - to highlight the abuse female fans get in the game. They have been supported by a number of clubs as well. Seems you could do with listening to them rather than attacking them when the demise of the BRSC is self inflicted and nothing whatsoever to do with them! Regards Cheshire
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Post by irishrover on Sept 23, 2021 8:26:26 GMT
Perhaps the gascast, mygametoo and other youngsters involved with social media should approach the BRSC to offer their services to help. They could offer to sell 50/50 tickets, programmes and maybe interview our young fans including young pirates to engage our whole fan base even the old codgers like me. Record longstanding fans memories for future generations to hear we did beat City in 1990 and managed league cup runs and got to Wembley a few times. Opportunity for everyone to benefit. But as KP says they are probably ...talkers not doers! There are loads of young Rovers fans putting out podcasts, creating content, reaching lots of people on Twitter etc. Has it ever occurred to the SC to reach out to them?
At this point it's as much down to the SC to prove it's current relevance to the fanbase (and not just young people) as the other way round. 50/50 tickets, programmes etc all feel rather like they belong to a different era for many - rather like rattles and the pools.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 23, 2021 8:29:00 GMT
It simple really, the gas cast and social media people are talkers, not doers You might just want to have a chat to someone who has produced a successful Podcast KP
(and then re evaluate if you think they are Talkers or Doers)
I have and do.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 23, 2021 8:35:54 GMT
SC Accounts Current/Business Premium Bank Accounts - 2014 £14,700 2015 £152,887. I'm guessing the difference would be the approximate sale price of 199. So it could be that £100k is still ringfenced for supporter facilities at a new stadium and the £50k the club are demanding be handed over now is the remainder. That seems to make sense. Correct Ann. 199 was sold in Feb 2015 - original cost £40k, sale proceeds £136k before costs. Misappropriation of funds (£176k) happened over a period straddling the 15/16 and 16/17 accounts and was subsequently fully recovered including all associated costs. Seems an age ago now! PP So, where id the extra money come from for 176K to be plundered ? Angas @isaachunt ANYTHING.ANYTHING AT ALL ?
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Post by Angas on Sept 23, 2021 8:52:01 GMT
SC Accounts Current/Business Premium Bank Accounts - 2014 £14,700 2015 £152,887. I'm guessing the difference would be the approximate sale price of 199. So it could be that £100k is still ringfenced for supporter facilities at a new stadium and the £50k the club are demanding be handed over now is the remainder. That seems to make sense. Correct Ann. 199 was sold in Feb 2015 - original cost £40k, sale proceeds £136k before costs. Misappropriation of funds (£176k) happened over a period straddling the 15/16 and 16/17 accounts and was subsequently fully recovered including all associated costs. Seems an age ago now! PP Thanks for that. Do you know if the £100k is still ringfenced? I imagine it is.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 23, 2021 9:06:45 GMT
Perhaps the gascast, mygametoo and other youngsters involved with social media should approach the BRSC to offer their services to help. They could offer to sell 50/50 tickets, programmes and maybe interview our young fans including young pirates to engage our whole fan base even the old codgers like me. Record longstanding fans memories for future generations to hear we did beat City in 1990 and managed league cup runs and got to Wembley a few times. Opportunity for everyone to benefit. But as KP says they are probably ...talkers not doers! I think that, with the listening figures they get, the various podcasters are doing a good job with the current content they produce -they are helping to keep fans engaged with the club. Hopefully the new SC can do the same, in different ways - the new Chairman's initial press release sounds hopeful of this happening.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 23, 2021 9:31:48 GMT
Perhaps the gascast, mygametoo and other youngsters involved with social media should approach the BRSC to offer their services to help. They could offer to sell 50/50 tickets, programmes and maybe interview our young fans including young pirates to engage our whole fan base even the old codgers like me. Record longstanding fans memories for future generations to hear we did beat City in 1990 and managed league cup runs and got to Wembley a few times. Opportunity for everyone to benefit. But as KP says they are probably ...talkers not doers! I think that, with the listening figures they get, the various podcasters are doing a good job with the current content they produce -they are helping to keep fans engaged with the club. Hopefully the new SC can do the same, in different ways - the new Chairman's initial press release sounds hopeful of this happening. Agree with that, they do reach their targeted audience but i will say again, its chat and information and not unless they approach the SC new chair, to come on the cast then I don’t see how it will help. Maybe I’m being blinkered but they are totally separate entities
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 23, 2021 9:56:21 GMT
I think that, with the listening figures they get, the various podcasters are doing a good job with the current content they produce -they are helping to keep fans engaged with the club. Hopefully the new SC can do the same, in different ways - the new Chairman's initial press release sounds hopeful of this happening. Agree with that, they do reach their targeted audience but i will say again, its chat and information and not unless they approach the SC new chair, to come on the cast then I don’t see how it will help. Maybe I’m being blinkered but they are totally separate entities Thats the wrong way round KP. Some people might come forward to help out, but no point in the SC waiting for people to come to them as it might as well just pack up The argument has been the same for nearly 20 years. Its the SC that need to be proactive and move with the times. Ignore Gascast for a second. Does the SC have its own youtube channel? Perhaps it should start its own podcast I dont like to use the term influencer, but Caz May has a large social media presence. Nearly 12k twitter followers. She has almost 3 times as many followers as the SC. Waiting for these people to come to you will get you nowhere
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Post by Portishead Pirate on Sept 23, 2021 10:07:17 GMT
Correct Ann. 199 was sold in Feb 2015 - original cost £40k, sale proceeds £136k before costs. Misappropriation of funds (£176k) happened over a period straddling the 15/16 and 16/17 accounts and was subsequently fully recovered including all associated costs. Seems an age ago now! PP Thanks for that. Do you know if the £100k is still ringfenced? I imagine it is. Sorry Ann, I'm not sure on that point. PP
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 23, 2021 10:18:25 GMT
This is not intended to be antagonistic.
Does anyone have sight of the figures of donations made by the Supporters Club over the last 5 years, including the destination of those donations?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 23, 2021 10:28:57 GMT
Agree with that, they do reach their targeted audience but i will say again, its chat and information and not unless they approach the SC new chair, to come on the cast then I don’t see how it will help. Maybe I’m being blinkered but they are totally separate entities Thats the wrong way round KP. Some people might come forward to help out, but no point in the SC waiting for people to come to them as it might as well just pack up The argument has been the same for nearly 20 years. Its the SC that need to be proactive and move with the times. Ignore Gascast for a second. Does the SC have its own youtube channel? Perhaps it should start its own podcast I dont like to use the term influencer, but Caz May has a large social media presence. Nearly 12k twitter followers. She has almost 3 times as many followers as the SC. Waiting for these people to come to you will get you nowhereTotally agree with this sentiment! The whole attitude of BRSC and its acolytes has been that people should go to them, approach them, ask to be involved with them. This is not the 1970s and through their actions the BRSC has lost its influence. If you want people to work with you, you can't be arrogant and expect them to knock on your door. You have to work for it! I wish the new Chair and committee all the best for the future. But this is a new age, a new generation and a new world. They need to be proactive and their approach to the club is a good start.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 11:19:24 GMT
Thats the wrong way round KP. Some people might come forward to help out, but no point in the SC waiting for people to come to them as it might as well just pack up The argument has been the same for nearly 20 years. Its the SC that need to be proactive and move with the times. Ignore Gascast for a second. Does the SC have its own youtube channel? Perhaps it should start its own podcast I dont like to use the term influencer, but Caz May has a large social media presence. Nearly 12k twitter followers. She has almost 3 times as many followers as the SC. Waiting for these people to come to you will get you nowhereTotally agree with this sentiment! The whole attitude of BRSC and its acolytes has been that people should go to them, approach them, ask to be involved with them. This is not the 1970s and through their actions the BRSC has lost its influence. If you want people to work with you, you can't be arrogant and expect them to knock on your door. You have to work for it! I wish the new Chair and committee all the best for the future. But this is a new age, a new generation and a new world. They need to be proactive and their approach to the club is a good start. I think some of the responses in this thread perfectly sum up the challenge. The SC can no longer be about just 50/50 and selling programmes, things have moved on so much in the world around us. For many, buying a programme is of no interest now, sadly, its all social media for the younger generation. Its a shame, I use to always get a programme, part of my routine (not this season sadly - the programme is cr*p) Re Caz & "Her game too", never met her but agree 100% with PP. Think of this in respect of the role of a supporters club. Its clear that many female supporters have felt uncomfortable and been treated with a lack of respect at matches for years. Surely, as a Supporters Club "Her Game Too" is a campaign they should embrace and support? The SC should be contacting Caz to see what the SC can do to help and how they can help support its female members. They should be all over it. Just one example. Its so bloody obvious - or is it just me?
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