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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 29, 2021 1:43:40 GMT
I actually think we're becoming less divided and coming together more in dismay at what the manager is accused of, and especially how the club have responded to this. That statement disgraced in the media remains online, despite a weasel-worded 'wholehearted' apology. Many of us agree on standing against this and with Refuge. A fairly broad consensus is emerging. Some do disagree, and that's perfectly correct. I don't want everyone to agree with me. Only you, Emporer. It looks like the statement has now been removed from the official website. There was a certain Gerald Ratner quality about that statement.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 28, 2021 8:41:56 GMT
With hindsight, do you think it might have been better not to appoint JB in the first place, Basel? Hmm,well there's more than one way of looking at that. I like the idea of giving people a chance.To a certain extent.Pipe eg ruined that blokes life eg,difficult to forgive.I would of sacked the ch rom Weston that went to Stags and GC,if he was a hit and run driver. With the benefit of hindsight purely on football ability,I would say giving JB a chance fair enough. After now seeing our season under threat from 'it all',it does'nt necessarily look the wisest move. I think - not sure - I'm the only one on this forum that has suggested helping JB,therefore his family and therefore Rovers. Thing is,these chats seem to run under the premise JB is guilty. He is'nt.At least not yet. A course to get his head straight,avoid the drink etc might do the job.Some people stop being violent. It's a hot potato that's for sure. Bas, agree that we should let the law confirm whether Barton is guilty or not. They will be best placed to make a considered decision on the basis of the evidence put forward. Even with all the suspicions of guilt no one has any concrete proof he is guilty of either crime yet to be determined by the courts. However, if you like the idea of giving people a chance, then surely someone without the baggage of Barton deserves a chance more than someone with the baggage of Barton. Why should we romanticise over potentially changing the behaviour of reoccurring offenders when there are so many more people deserving of chance who just don't offend.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 27, 2021 10:39:20 GMT
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 27, 2021 5:51:52 GMT
The Club has had chance to take careful advice on the extent of action they can take.
To do nothing is the worst decision they can make.
But then didn't Sunderland have to do nothing until Adam Johnson was tried? Same with Fleetwood with Barton? Their hands are tied. It gives him time to lamp someone else before the next trial, get another one in before Christmas.. Dario Gradi was suspended by Crewe for three years until the FA completed their independent enquiry.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 26, 2021 22:44:37 GMT
I am sorry that Ayunga has gone. Clearly not our main 20 goal per season striker, but I feel there is a good striker in there. Another player leaving for a club in a higher division. Was widders right that the players were good enough yet the coaching and management was just below league one standard.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 26, 2021 0:41:12 GMT
But 2 weak cases don’t make a right. So the Barnsley manager fell over all by himself and the media, in conjunction with a Police spokesman, have just made up this latest story. Is that your position? I have to put the bins out tomorrow evening, how the heck am I going to manage it without ending up with charges for assaulting at least a dozen people? My position is irrelevant. It'll come down to whether their is substantial proof for the court to convict or at least, if there is believable proof or otherwise, for the 'court of public opinion' to justify their feelings towards Barton. All criminal activity should be dealt with responsibly but equally no one should be punished if they haven't committed a crime. Unfortunately, some celebrities do get punished when the CPS or claimant seeks to chance their luck against a defendant with a bad rap sheet but a healthy bank balance and/or notoriety. Ched Evans anyone?
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 22:00:09 GMT
Is it though, the Stendel case evidence sounded inconclusive from what we heard at the original trial, with only Stendel and one of his players seeing the alleged push, in what sounded like a packed tunnel, now we have something similar being alleged and even his wife, who seems to be the potentially victim, is denying it occurred. As far as legal action against the club that's never materialised. JB hasn't received a criminal conviction since 2008 so he does seem to have moderated his temper, time will tell if the CPS prove that he hasn't on the two recent cases. I see, it all makes sense now, so it's not Barton's fault, it's that everybody is out to get him and make him look bad. Give me strength! But 2 weak cases don’t make a right.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 21:57:18 GMT
Garry Thompson Phil Bater Shaun North Even Darrell Clarke had a relegation to his name as assistant-come-boss
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 21:54:36 GMT
Can't see anything other than a suspension from duties if that's the case. Tomorrow could well be go ahead Clint, make my day Think your lucky punk. 😀 Manager Clint wont divide gasheads nearly as much at first. There will be real appetite to come together and get behind him. What happens after his appointment depends how good he is as a manager. As you know, I don’t believe it’s ever the brains and decision making of one guy. With Joey off the payroll he will have scope to bring in a mentor, maybe older guy on bench as number 2 not younger guy. that older guy may be great with media, and we will all have instant respect for them. Ollie’s free…
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 12:04:03 GMT
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 11:51:26 GMT
The CPS has a history of attempting to prosecute celebrities despite an absence of information. Who remembers Gambaccini, Levell, Tarbuck, Cliff Richard, Jim Davidson, John Leslie.
The CPS assesses the mental health of the accused as well as the if the matter is in the wider public interest as part of the evaluation of the case. In my personal experience the CPS has failed a number of innocent people risking their livelihoods, family and mental health.
Barton, despite his charge sheet, should not be judged before any case is determined.
He should never have been appointed though.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 9:53:57 GMT
Interesting to know what lieutenant colonel Chris Gibson (‘leadership expert’) thinks of all of this.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 8:48:39 GMT
Seeing as we have so many scousers in the building we better have someone else that can speak the language 😂 Has Fowler been sniffing around? He was linked to the job by the media pre-Garner
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Fowler in
Jul 25, 2021 8:02:34 GMT
via mobile
Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 8:02:34 GMT
We have had an abysmal run of recent managers or should that be a recent run of abysmal managers. Barton will go, sooner rather than later I believe, but I have zero faith the owners of BRFC will replace him with a proven or even adequate manager. Manager | P | W | D | L | W % | PPG | Darrell Clarke | 246 | 104 | 56 | 86 | 42.3% | 1.50 | Graham Coughlan | 56 | 25 | 18 | 13 | 44.6% | 1.66 | Ben Garner | 34* | 7* | 10 | 17 | 20.6%* | 0.91* | Paul Tisdale | 19 | 5 | 3 | 11 | 26.3% | 0.95 | Joey Barton | 18 | 3 | 2 | 13 | 16.7% | 0.61 |
* disputed figures Clarke and Coughlan were not that long ago, and both splendid. I didn't like Coughlan, but he achieved the results, and with hindsight I should have appreciated him more for so doing. Garner was sacked either too late or too early, who's to say? Tisdale improved things over Garner, never took us into the drop zone, and was sacked for it; I just don't know who was to blame for his failed transfer window. Barton destroyed that progress and took us to rock bottom with the worst performance of all. The best two were internal promotions already coaching at Rovers before managing, and I think Al Qadi should recruit youngish coaches on their way up, with promotion in mind. Unfortunately, Al Qadi is a sucker for fame and social media. There’s an element of continuity when promoting from within, there’s less need for time to work out the systems and non-playing personnel at the club. I think promoting within works best during mid season. External appointments are best suited where there is a break in season and the candidate is exceptional. Barton meets neither of these.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 3:16:51 GMT
Super caretaker Widders will be to the rescue.
We will see Ayunga net 12 goals in 10 games, Liddle become the club captain and Harries turn into the League 2 Lothar Mattheus.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 3:15:10 GMT
This afternoon's much anticipated friendly has been cancelled due to Covid problem with the Swansea players. Shame for the fans who bought tickets or Ifollow subscription. But that's the situation we currently live in. So much uncertainty if anything will go on as scheduled. Was this postponed as the club knew Barton was in (yet another) spot of bother?
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 25, 2021 3:14:00 GMT
Barton is innocent until proven guilty. We should respect that principle and support Rovers if or until any material change in Barton's circumstance. However, it adds to the case against Wael that his judgement has been fairly average when making big decisions as bad news has followed this guy throughout the whole of his career.
Family Club my arse
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 22, 2021 11:47:02 GMT
I love Oasis, hate Liam Gallagher, an awful bloke. No one liked GC but we were 4th. Garner deserved more time. He had a free reign to lost so many games but 11 pts in the first 10 games wasn't a disaster, I just think 4-1 at home was more of a knee jerk reaction to sack him. Tisdale did no better. Had a window. I agree that Garner carries a bit of sympathy but I would still rather Rovers finish above Port Vale than not. I liked GC. He was definitely substance over style. You could see he had the dressing room. Though I don’t think I’d ask the barbers for a coughlin haircut
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 22, 2021 11:09:22 GMT
I feel sorry for Garner, circumstances just didn’t help him. I just don’t like being forced to support Barton but obviously being a rovers fan you just have to get on with. It feels similar to when your daughter gets engaged to someone you don’t like but you just have to support. This season will be interesting, I think Barton’s squad will play for him and it’s looking more balanced than last season. He’s still an awful bloke, even if he wins promotion. I love Oasis, hate Liam Gallagher, an awful bloke. No one liked GC but we were 4th. Garner deserved more time. He had a free reign to lost so many games but 11 pts in the first 10 games wasn't a disaster, I just think 4-1 at home was more of a knee jerk reaction to sack him. Tisdale did no better. Had a window. I agree that Garner carries a bit of sympathy but I would still rather Rovers finish above Port Vale than not. Agreed, well put. Sometimes we can’t like everyone at rovers but we still like Rovers. Was there ever a player at rovers that stands out for particular dislike whatever reason? Never liked Zebroski
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 22, 2021 11:03:42 GMT
I feel sorry for Garner, circumstances just didn’t help him. I just don’t like being forced to support Barton but obviously being a rovers fan you just have to get on with. It feels similar to when your daughter gets engaged to someone you don’t like but you just have to support. This season will be interesting, I think Barton’s squad will play for him and it’s looking more balanced than last season. He’s still an awful bloke, even if he wins promotion. What circumstance did'nt help Ben Garner? Looks like your feelings on Brexit too? Just can't accept it. Covid & family issues were unfortunate for Garner. Brexit - that’s another thread, not really related to the Garner thread. But Brexit has limited effect on me, if anything it’s been good given UK PLC surrender of tariffs to Australia’s economy. Did you know weet-a-bix started in Aus I’m looking forward to watching the Barton roller coaster, if he does well then great. If he has a nightmare then also great, we get rid of him early. It’s win win.
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