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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 14:17:42 GMT
"Calling Trump thick is not an insult it is statement of fact." - No it's not a 'fact'. That is just your opinion. I would point you to the video of Trump's speech on the choice between "batteries and sharks" It made Biden's debate performance sound like Shakespeare It doesn't change the point that you were not quoting 'fact', but it was just your opinion.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 14:16:35 GMT
So the LibDems are also a 'company'! Limited by guarantee which is a different structure and nature than limited by Share Capital. Look on the Companies House website if you want understand the fundamental differences I totally understand the differences, but I'm baffled as to why you think it's important. It's a total non-story, non-argument.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 14:06:01 GMT
"Once granted power democratic vote they could change the voting rules without Parliamentary constraint and no internal dissent." - No they couldn't. Why not Why not is obvious. I'd love to hear how you think this would, or could, happen.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 14:04:18 GMT
How many of those who are given "temporary accommodation" migrants? Oh dear Nobby Serious question. Nothing "oh dear" about it.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 14:03:25 GMT
Why do you have to go down to insults? I said forget politics. Being a leader has many aspects to it in every walk of life.It seems that you do not understand that? If you watched the video that I posted, then you would have seen that they explained that Trump basically said don't f**k with the me,or the USA to Taliban leader.Trump had North Korea in his back pocket for the same reason. Putin would never attacked Ukraine under Trump's watch as he never did, and I guarantee you that war will be ended within a year of Trump's 2nd term. Fear at the top level of global politics is just one weapon of many needed that Trump has,and it's one that Biden, nor any other Democrat along with anyone here has. Calling Trump thick is not an insult it is statement of fact. "Being a leader has many aspects to it in every walk of life.It seems that you do not understand that?" You think I don't get that? Would you include the fundamental necessity of a reasonably high IQ and EQ to be important? If you do can you seriously contend that Trump has an acceptable score on either of those measurements? "utin would never attacked Ukraine under Trump's watch as he never did, and I guarantee you that war will be ended within a year of Trump's 2nd term." That's straight out of the Trump propaganda playbook. No basis in fact, pure speculation "Calling Trump thick is not an insult it is statement of fact." - No it's not a 'fact'. That is just your opinion.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 14:01:36 GMT
Oh God, you keep harping om about "the structure of the company". It is that way as it only has a very small number of members and so it is set up like this to avoid a small number of people taking it over. You never did answer me as to why the LibDems are also a 'company', which demonstrates your complete blinkered approach as the LibDems have been a Company for many many years, yet not a peep from you. Yes I did and detailed that the Lib Dems are a company ltd by guarantee. Goodness me Nobby So the LibDems are also a 'company'!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 14:00:53 GMT
It's a start-up Party. It has few resources and doesn't have the large offices of the other Parties. It'll take time. So they are in no fit state to be elected as a representative of any constituency? Why not? Are you also suggesting that anyone who puts themselves up as an Independent should also never be elected?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 13:34:52 GMT
Frustrating as it is for the Right,that's the way it is and I do see that's a form of democracy. Here's a question Oldie and anyone else.... This evening I met a couple of freinds from Basel up at the Wellington/Welly.They've been enjoying the South West and The Manic Street Preachers gig at Cornwall. One of them absolutely believes that Marine Le Pen,if she gains power in France,will do her best to stay in power somehow,anyhow ,without another democratic election. Fascism. I said this is something I had not even considered and thought Marine Le Pen would try to survive in power through democratic means. My question is and to anybody,do you think eg Wilder in Holland or Farage in UK or as my discussion with Swiss friends went Marine Le Pen in France,if they were in power,would they literally try and stay in power,through undemocratic means,therefore fascism ? Decent conversation Basel. My opinion. Any party of the extremes, Left or Right of the spectrum, tend to be: A) So totally convinced they are right B) Megalomaniacs drunk on power C) Malevolent in the worse sense of the word That they feel justified on overturning democracy. We have examples in Russia, China, Myanmar. Don't forget it was recent as the 1970s that Spain and Greece had ultra right demagogues in power. I posted today a link to a discussion document out of an academic institution in the States which expressed fears as you describe if Trump wins. Here, the danger is out of ashes of chaos. Our country is in a mess and out of that creaking, crumbling state of affairs rises a chaotic party like Reform. It's not a democratically run party (a private company 85% owned by Farage and Tice) so it has no internal checks and balances. If they should gain power with that structure it would in effect be a dictatorship. Once granted power democratic vote they could change the voting rules without Parliamentary constraint and no internal dissent. A defacto dictatorship. "Once granted power democratic vote they could change the voting rules without Parliamentary constraint and no internal dissent." - No they couldn't.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 13:33:13 GMT
It is democracy It's combining the majority of voters who did NOT vote for RN from achieving power. Now if RN had achieved 50% then you might have point, but they did not and therefore you don't. Frustrating as it is for the Right,that's the way it is and I do see that's a form of democracy. Here's a question Oldie and anyone else.... This evening I met a couple of freinds from Basel up at the Wellington/Welly.They've been enjoying the South West and The Manic Street Preachers gig at Cornwall. One of them absolutely believes that Marine Le Pen,if she gains power in France,will do her best to stay in power somehow,anyhow ,without another democratic election. Fascism. I said this is something I had not even considered and thought Marine Le Pen would try to survive in power through democratic means. My question is and to anybody,do you think eg Wilder in Holland or Farage in UK or as my discussion with Swiss friends went Marine Le Pen in France,if they were in power,would they literally try and stay in power,through undemocratic means,therefore fascism ? "if they were in power,would they literally try and stay in power,through undemocratic means,therefore fascism ?" - Communists have done exactly this historically!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 13:31:22 GMT
How many of those who are given "temporary accommodation" migrants?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 13:26:24 GMT
It's not just this clip on Farage, if you chose to go back through this whole thread( I don't expect you to) but you get my drift, your entire reasoning in the election is one of total bias towards the labour party with no want to listen to anyone's thoughts but your own, continually writing down people views and thoughts with total disdain,and at times mockery,this is where I see your tunnel vision, at times you could be a version of NF with your views and how you perceive things from " your side" of the fence. Ok LiS, understood. I think (and hope) my disdain is limited to those that use language like "Commie scum", or accuse me of being an "anti Semite", or a supporter of "terrorist groups" or "hates my own country" Or being accused of being a Troll because I dare to offer up an alternative view, hopefully justified with evidence. I do read the views of others, with interest, trying to understand why people believe and say the things they do. But it is hard, when statements are just made with no attempt at reasoning or justification. I am sure we all do that on occasion but for some that is all they do. Anyway On Farage I believe we have a duty to call him out as he is, in my opinion, a threat to our democracy. The structure of his company that represents itself as the Reform Party being just one piece of evidence. Oh God, you keep harping om about "the structure of the company". It is that way as it only has a very small number of members and so it is set up like this to avoid a small number of people taking it over. You never did answer me as to why the LibDems are also a 'company', which demonstrates your complete blinkered approach as the LibDems have been a Company for many many years, yet not a peep from you.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2024 13:23:03 GMT
As I said previously...it's what suits your narrative...like selective hearing..... Tunnel vision can be a dangerous thing LiS I am just repeating what Farage himself said. Yes, it is what I think and believe, but this is the comment of the majority shareholder and owner of Reform. In that sense it is not selective nor tunnel vision. If you, or anyone, thinks that you could offer up the alternative evidence, then do so. But there is no such evidence is there? So to be in denial of what is so blatantly true, to keep blindly repeating a lie, well, is that not the ultimate sin? It's a start-up Party. It has few resources and doesn't have the large offices of the other Parties. It'll take time.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 3, 2024 15:10:41 GMT
The absurd claim that Trump may not hold an election in 2028.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 3, 2024 12:38:24 GMT
Then there is Donald Trump, the “orange Jesus” of America’s radical right. Trump might not know any Bible verses, but he does know how to stoke religious fervor to unite his base. And for Trump’s supporters, no claim is too bizarre. In 2021, for example, hundreds of Trump-loving conspiracy theorists gathered in Dallas, Texas, for the second coming. Leaders who claim to have divine missions are leaders who seek to increase their power and extend their rule, ideally indefinitely. Putin has already achieved that goal, and Modi and Erdoğan have been marching in the same direction. But Trump might represent the gravest danger. One cannot ignore the possibility that, if he wins the presidency in November, the US will not hold an election in 2028. www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/putin-trump-modi-erdogan-use-religion-to-boost-their-personal-power-by-nina-l-khrushcheva-2024-06Utter nonsense.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 3, 2024 10:15:11 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 3, 2024 9:42:09 GMT
Zero evidence? It's been pretty clear from the overwhelming evidence of videos and listening to him speak that there has been a problem with his health for a long time. Link to one? Are you serious? You just have to search on Google to find many !
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 3, 2024 9:14:28 GMT
Another article on BBC online about people hiding from the press gangs in Ukraine and paying smugglers to get them out of the country. Nobby I have started the book that you recommended,the way that Europe was then wars were bound to happen, now with virtually every countries population so split that democracy is collapsing I think that we could be heading for more wars in Europe....you can be sure that China/Russia/North Korea etc etc are rubbing their hands.....and waiting. Hope you are enjoying the book as much as I did
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 3, 2024 9:11:50 GMT
Interesting how Macron has once again alluded to "civil war" if the Right get elected in France. Is he saying that the minority Left will not accept the legitimate democratic vote?
Another interesting point. If either the Left or Right win the election, it will mean trouble for the EU.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 3, 2024 7:38:12 GMT
His decline started before the last election which is why he was hidden away so much by his handlers during that campaign. His decline has accelerated in the last 18 months which is blindingly obvious to everyone. You say it with zero evidence other than media headlines. In the video I linked his lucidity and connection was in stark contrast to that terrible "debate" last week. Something has happened and he should step down for the sake of the country. I doubt Trump will be stopped in any event now and the slide into autocracy will be complete, the current corruption of the Supreme Court being an example. Zero evidence? It's been pretty clear from the overwhelming evidence of videos and listening to him speak that there has been a problem with his health for a long time.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 3, 2024 7:36:13 GMT
No Oldie. You have posted links that are behind a firewall many times in the past. I don't know why you are attempting to be all high and mighty over this. I suggest you look at your own 'level of understanding'. For Christ sake Nobby. What the publishers want is a public recognition of the originality of the article and where it is published. By posting a direct link we are in fact advertising their product. That's what they want. If there is a paywall to get beyond the headline then that is a decision for the reader. But the publication is clear. Stop trying to create an argument where there is noneUm...err....you were the one who started on about this site possibly being prosecuted.
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