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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 12:12:43 GMT
I don't see skin colour, and it's wrong to imply racism because you disagree with an different point of view to anyone else. "You are a racist" isn't an argument. "Your are a fascist" isn't an argument. .... Don't you get it? Immigration can be good, but people coming in illegally and overtake our culture is not. It's very simple!! I would agree. But the part of the equation you are missing is that the government have been issuing 1.4 million work/study visas annually over the last couple of years. That's not illegal immigration that's government supported migration. and that is one of the reasons their vote share collapsed!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 10:38:47 GMT
...How good are sky at cutting out VPN users? I've noticed a few providers are becoming more adept at identifying VPN users e.g. BBC. Sky has more to gain by stopping VPNs so are likely masters at it. That said, I can usually see their highlights packages via VPN. A "friend of mine" travels around Europe quite a lot and he says it's no problem using a VPN to watch Sky or BBC content while he is there.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 10:22:47 GMT
Jacqui Smith has been brought back into government as an Education Minister. As she is not an elected MP she will be made a Life Peer by Starmer. The very same Jacqui Smith who claimed her husband's porn watching hobby costs through her expenses. The same Jacqui Smith, who was one of the highest ranking swindlers caught by the expenses scandal, where she claimed the spare bedroom in her sister's house in London was her main residence, and the family home in Redditch was her 'second home'. At this time she was the Home Secretary.
One to watch.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 10:09:27 GMT
So, we have this new Labour Government, elected on the promise of 'change'. We all know that the promises they made were not backed up with any detail as to how they would implement those promises, so from now on we have to examine, scrutinize and discuss their efforts.
The first one I will throw out there is the building of 1.5 million new homes in their first five years. Well, we know from official figures that on average 150,000 new homes are built every year, so over five years that would be 750,000 homes. In fact, last year saw about 200,000 being built. Therefore, Labour are actually promising to build 750,000 more new homes in the next five years. It's a bit of a white lie to claim 1.5 million isn't it. However, governments do not build homes. Private companies do. Did anyone from Labour ask the builders if they could double their current output?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 9:56:37 GMT
There have many calls for a change to our electoral system given that Reform received more aggregate votes than the Lib Dems but only achieved 5 seats compared with 71 (I think). Personally I am uncomfortable with that, that is not representative democracy at work. However the French situation is an interesting one. Given the possibility of a Right Wing government the population coalesced around the centre/centre left/ hard left to keep them out. So successfully that RN who finishes 1st in round 1 could only manage 3rd in the final. This is, I would contend, an unofficial example of PR/Alternative vote schemes. As much as there is a lot of chest beating from Reform and their supporters (understandable) given that 84% did not vote for them I believe, if push came to shove, this is what would happen in the UK. Particularly as next time around Reform would have to produce a proper manifesto to put to the public and it still will not add up to a row of beans. Democratic scrutiny is what all parties of the extremes try their hardest to avoid You are being very selective in your numbers Oldie. So, 84% didn't vote for Reform. Well, Labour got 33.8% of the vote share, so 66.2% of those who voted didn't vote for them did they! Not only that but it was the lowest turn-out for 20+ years! I am no fan of PR voting systems as in the modern world it practically always results in a coalition government. Look at Germany, where every party has a say in Government, except the AfD who actually got the second largest vote share! Is that democratic? As for democratic scrutiny, I think it's worth starting a new thread, so we can scrutinize and discuss the current Government's progress against the promises they made. PS - Just what is a 'proper manifesto'? Can you honestly sit there and claim that the Labour manifesto was a true and correct document?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 7:51:51 GMT
Well I am definitely enjoying it, btw it stirred a memory of a mass grave being found in Vilnius a few years ago....I had a look and in fact it was 2011, if you Google Napoleons lost army theres an article on the BBC website,its quite interesting and worth a quick read....there must be thousands of mass graves in that part of the World. There was a BBC programme earlier this year, concerning WW1,where it had good reason to make excavations in an area of continuous'ongoing battles' between the two waring sides, this followed Information from German records, The investigators made a discovery of a large trench burial of approx 100 - 200 British infantry men, records showed that from some DNA taken these were from the North of England, 9 men were identified and repatriated,further investigations are following and they believe there are at least another 10 such burials with they believe the same amount of souls in each trench .... Another interesting story is the remains of the dead from Waterloo. It's believed that around 10,000 died that day, and yet only two skeletons have ever been found! It is believed that the bodies were dug up afterwards, and the bones were crushed down and used in the local sugar processing industry (something to do with the bones used as a kind of charcoal in sugar purification!).
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 6:25:31 GMT
No Oldie, there is no 'gnashing of the teeth' by Reform supporters. Politically, France is in a deep hole, which can only result in trouble for everyone.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 23:15:14 GMT
It is not a question as to what I think, and you haven't answered my concerns. Please debate the issues. Put across your views and arguments in a coherent, sensible manner. If all you want is a juvenile slanging match, then please return to your forum. If you want to debate issues, then you are more than welcome. Now, please explain why you think I am a 'russian supporter' and why, in your humble opinion, I am a 'loon'. As an aside, I spent three months every year, for six years, learning how to survive and fight in the Arctic north of Norway. I was just a small cog in a larger machine, that trained to defend the northern flank of NATO from the Russians. Please explain to me, and everyone else, how that makes me a 'russian supporter'? Nobster , you can write what you like but I don’t have to explain myself to you . If you don’t like what I post put me on ignore. If I think you’re a loon for supporting Reform , I’ll call you a loon. If you can’t see or won’t see the links with Russian bots promoting Reform , Farage on Russia today , the links with Le Pen and the Russians etc etc etc …. I can’t help you . 🙄 🇷🇺 I am not asking you to help me. However, if you want to put a label on me and call me "a loon" then I am i interested to find out why you have this dismissive view of me. I want to understand your reasoning. However, it does appear to be something that is beyond you. It does seem as though that reasonable debate is a subject that does not appeal to you. I am not asking for you to 'explain yourself'. I can assure you that I am no "russian bot". Why am I a "loon" just because I have certain viewpoints that are contradictory to yours? I have already explained that a big part of my life was spent on defending our country against possible Russian aggression, in a way that was deeply uncomfortable to me.....hey, have you ever had to sleep in an ice hole..have you ever slept in temperatures that can reach -35....in fact, have you ever done anything to serve your country and it's people? You call me a Patriot as though it's an insult. I call myself a Patriot and wear it as a badge of honour. That does not mean I am "right wing", nor does it mean I am a "loon". Please, stop your infantile posts. Debate the subject at hand, or is that something that is beyond you? I welcome debate, after all we can never stop learning. Prove me wrong with your views and arguments. I always have an open mind. Do you?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 21:46:12 GMT
No, as I said, I don't speak for others. You however referred to me as a 'russian supporter' (which I find offensive) and a 'loon' purely because I support Reform. It is not big, nor clever, to generalise in such a way. Now, I am prepared to debate with anyone, but I will not stay silent when you, or one of your fake accounts, comes on here in an attempt to cause controversy. There is no need to get personal is there. Why don't you try to debate the issues being discussed instead of attempting to turn things into a juvenile slanging match. I’m not worried what you think Nobby . It is not a question as to what I think, and you haven't answered my concerns. Please debate the issues. Put across your views and arguments in a coherent, sensible manner. If all you want is a juvenile slanging match, then please return to your forum. If you want to debate issues, then you are more than welcome. Now, please explain why you think I am a 'russian supporter' and why, in your humble opinion, I am a 'loon'. As an aside, I spent three months every year, for six years, learning how to survive and fight in the Arctic north of Norway. I was just a small cog in a larger machine, that trained to defend the northern flank of NATO from the Russians. Please explain to me, and everyone else, how that makes me a 'russian supporter'?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 20:38:39 GMT
I don't think 'rejoice' is the word that French people will be using. Having the Communists as part of the ruling coalition is worrying for everyone in Europe, yet alone France. The various left groups all hate each other, and they all hate Macron, which is a feeling that Macron returns. If the exit polls are correct than France is in for a very bumpy ride. Then of course, if this hastily thrown together coalition fails, then Macron will have real problems stopping Le Pen in the next Presidential election. As always with politics it's not always the today that matters. Don’t disagree with this France but it’s a good thing for now that the hard right don’t get a foothold on power. Hard left, hard right.......they are two cheeks of the same arse and nobody should be 'rejoicing' at either of these extremes getting a foothold on power.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 20:36:22 GMT
I don't speak for others. It is interesting to note that you throw out an accusation and yet you cannot back it up with any reasonable evidence. Nothing has changed then. You’ve just tried to jump on me for using loon but not the others. Practice what you preach then . 🙄 No, as I said, I don't speak for others. You however referred to me as a 'russian supporter' (which I find offensive) and a 'loon' purely because I support Reform. It is not big, nor clever, to generalise in such a way. Now, I am prepared to debate with anyone, but I will not stay silent when you, or one of your fake accounts, comes on here in an attempt to cause controversy. There is no need to get personal is there. Why don't you try to debate the issues being discussed instead of attempting to turn things into a juvenile slanging match.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 20:28:26 GMT
The lunatic French culture hating Islamists will be happy. What a mess! Then Labour will be welcoming more illegals on boats. A great week for the left in Europe . Rejoice 😃👍 I don't think 'rejoice' is the word that French people will be using. Having the Communists as part of the ruling coalition is worrying for everyone in Europe, yet alone France. The various left groups all hate each other, and they all hate Macron, which is a feeling that Macron returns. If the exit polls are correct than France is in for a very bumpy ride. Then of course, if this hastily thrown together coalition fails, then Macron will have real problems stopping Le Pen in the next Presidential election. As always with politics it's not always the today that matters.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 19:23:04 GMT
As someone who has served my country on Operations, I take offence at being called "Russian supporting" just because I support Reform. Can this person offer a single shread of evidence that Reform supporters are "Russian supporting"? If not, can they please retract their slur and offer an apology? And can we please refrain from calling people "loons". It is very childish and is the sort of personal nonsense that should remain on other forums where it is positively welcomed and applauded. Of course I’ll stop , just after you call out the racist slurs flung about on here and the threats of violence. You’ve gone full on reform then have you Knobby ? Wow . 😮 What a patriot 🙄 I don't speak for others. It is interesting to note that you throw out an accusation and yet you cannot back it up with any reasonable evidence. Nothing has changed then.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 19:14:59 GMT
As someone who has served my country on Operations, I take offence at being called "Russian supporting" just because I support Reform. Can this person offer a single shread of evidence that Reform supporters are "Russian supporting"? If not, can they please retract their slur and offer an apology? And can we please refrain from calling people "loons". It is very childish and is the sort of personal nonsense that should remain on other forums where it is positively welcomed and applauded. You're being disingenuous there and you know you are. You know as well as anyone else the impact Farage's words about Russia and Ukraine had. And when Nigel speaks, his supporters support. That is a very narrow minded view to take. I am pretty sure that not every Labour/Tory/LibDem supporter agrees with everything their leaders say or do. To even attempt to say they do is, as you say, disingenuous!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 18:13:05 GMT
Are you aware of the threat to the UK from Islam in its current form? Not all Muslims. Eg,sectarian politics,threats of violence from Islamists backed up by stupid right on types.You know,racist antisemites. Think you Russian supporting Reform loons are far more a threat personally As someone who has served my country on Operations, I take offence at being called "Russian supporting" just because I support Reform. Can this person offer a single shread of evidence that Reform supporters are "Russian supporting"? If not, can they please retract their slur and offer an apology? And can we please refrain from calling people "loons". It is very childish and is the sort of personal nonsense that should remain on other forums where it is positively welcomed and applauded.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 7, 2024 18:00:03 GMT
I read that if Biden does step down the candidate will HAVE to be Harris because of how the donations have been set up...dont know if thats true but in any case Biden or Harris = Trump win.....and a return to World peace. No It's the constitution. If the sitting President has to stand down the Vice President becomes President. Nothing to do with backers. That comes into play for the nomination for the November elections I think there is some confusion here. Yes, if Biden steps down as President then Harris will take over, but we are talking about Biden stepping down as the Democratic nominee. If he steps down as the nominee he will still remain President until the new one is sworn in. This does indeed cause problems for the Dems because any money raised so far for the Biden/Harris ticket cannot be used by anyone else. Unless Harris takes over the nomination the money donated has to be returned to the donars. A lot of the money raised has already been spent. The problem the Dems have is that they know that Harris will never beat Trump. Therein lies their problem.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 5, 2024 9:54:10 GMT
Genuine question.? Does anyone really believe that yesterdays result could be the platform for Reform to one day be in charge at number 10? The results from yesterday show that there is no place for Reform and the Tories on the same ballot paper. In the long term only one can survive. At the moment Reform have momentum, a leader, and they carry no historical baggage.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 5, 2024 9:47:59 GMT
Reform got 4,092,209 votes. Torres got 6,814,650 votes. Labour got 9,686,329.voyes. The winners of last night are clearly Reform from a movement has started to stop the two party dictatorship. Labour didn't win anything...the masses just wanted the Torries out! Reform numbers are really from only 4 weeks with Nigel in charge, incredible. Labour are next. Interesting to note that the total Labour vote is actually just over 600,000 less than they got in 2019!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 5, 2024 8:35:32 GMT
What a sad day for the country , though it will be a laugh watching the chaos’s that ensues Hearing lammy won’t get a cabinet job , apparently something to do with cervix’s 😂😂, about sums them up . Just listened to a commie Birmingham mp , couldn’t understand a word he said 🙄🙄 Hide your pensions !!!! Poor ole Lammy. A few weeks ago ha said that it was possible for a bloke who transitioned to a woman could grow a Cervix!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 5, 2024 6:52:14 GMT
I think that Trump will easily beat Biden but beating Harris would be easier still. I would love you to share what you know about Harris. Oldie, you must be the only person who is unaware of how unpopular she is in the US
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