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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 15, 2024 9:31:59 GMT
Who's 'they', who are trying this again? And how will it ensure the Democrats win, if that's what you're implying? Unhinged conspiracy theories are great because you can pin virtually anything on anyone and make up any old reason to justify it. Then post it on X for your followers to lap up. And bingo, 24 hours later it's a verified fact. Brilliant. Repeat the lie long enough and it becomes fact. Unsubstantiated opinion overrides facts these days. Listen to Question Time. Emily Maitlis - But yesterday Maitlis gave the MacTaggart Lecture to the Edinburgh Television Festival. In it she tackles the issue of bias, citing the example of the way that Newsnight covered Brexit: “It might take our producers five minutes to find 60 economists who feared Brexit and five hours to find a sole voice who espoused it… But by the time we went on air we simply had one of each; we presented this unequal effort to our audience as balance. It wasn’t.”Then again if you ask three economists the same question, you'll get five different answers.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 15, 2024 9:30:43 GMT
Interesting that after being the official Democratic nominee for President for 24 days, Harris has still not given one interview to the media, nor given a single press conference. As of yet, nobody has any idea of her policies. It's almost as if they are scared of showing her to the public.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 18:09:15 GMT
"The BBC reports that ASLEF and the Labour government are now “hopeful” of reaching a pay deal as they meet today. The union rejected the Rail Delivery Group’s last offer, which would have boosted the average annual pay for a driver to £65,000, because the Tory government proposed implementing training efficiencies. After 18 driver strikes they must be confident there will be no such cost-saving demands from Labour…
According to Electoral Commission records ASLEF has historically donated £922,252 to Labour and its politicians, £380,648 of which was trousered in the last four years. Money talks…
The Rail Delivery Group has been taken off negotiations, which are now run directly by the DfT under Louise Haigh. A former union employee, Haigh spoke at an ASLEF meeting in 2022 to proclaim it “an honour to work with this fantastic union on building a world class rail network.” Anyone who remembers British Rail will be dreading a re-nationalised Labour rail system…"
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 18:03:51 GMT
I don't agree with the winter of discontent coming for one simple reason. This government will give in to pay demands from the public sector. They already have with the Junior doctors. Today they will give in to the train drivers. GP's are now threatening action, so they will get what they want. The rest of the public sector are watching and licking their lips. Looks like it. "The department says that, following a series of "positive" talks led by the government, the train drivers' union ASLEF has agreed to recommend a new pay proposal to its members. "The offer made to ASLEF is a 5% pay rise for 2022/23, 4.75% for 23/24, and 4.5% for 24/25," a spokesperson for the DfT said. "The offer will now be put to ASLEF members in a referendum." " To be fair, I do have sympathy for any government over this, they have to balance the cost of disruption if an agreement isn't reached. Jesus wept. It's backdated to 2022! The main problem here is that they have given the pay rise without any concessions from the union on productivity. This will just fuel inflation which will cost us all, plus tax rises to pay for it.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 17:12:08 GMT
Woman jailed for 'blow up mosque' post as judge warns 'keyboard warriors'..By Zahra Khaliq, News Reporterichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/37b0/live/7215d1c0-5a54-11ef-b2d2-cdb23d5d7c5b.jpgA 53-year-old woman who lived a "quiet, sheltered life" has been jailed for 15 months after she sent an online message which read: "Blow the mosque up with the adults in it." Julie Sweeney wrote the Islamaphobic comment on August 3 to a local community Facebook group from her home in Church Lawton, Cheshire - but it was later reported to the police. On Wednesday she pleaded guilty at Chester Crown Court to sending a communication to convey a threat of death or serious harm. Sentencing, Judge Steven Everett, the Honorary Recorder of Chester, said: "I don't think anyone is suggesting that the defendant would have been involved in that herself but so-called keyboard warriors like her have to learn to take responsibility for their language - particularly in the context of the disorder that was going on around the country." Sweeney's sentencing comes after the National Police Chiefs’ Council confirmed 1,024 people had been arrested and 575 charged after a wave of far-right riots saw violence unleashed on streets across England and Northern Ireland. The court heard how Sweeney told officers upon her arrest: "I'm not being rude but there are a lot of people saying it." She said she posted the comment "in anger", had "no intention to put people in fear" and conceded it was "unacceptable" and that she would be "deleting Facebook". John Keane, defending, said: "She accepts it was stupid. This was a single comment on a single day. "She lives a quiet, sheltered life in Cheshire and has not troubled the courts in her long life. Her character references show she lives a kind and compassionate lifestyle. She has been primary carer for her husband since 2015. "This conduct is firmly out of character for her and she has shown genuine remorse. This offence was committed on her computer in the safety of her own home and unfortunately pressing 'send' for her is going to have dire consequences." Sending people to jail for things like this is absolute nonsense and a total miscarriage of justice, especially for a first offender. It makes the government, and the law, look petty.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 17:06:45 GMT
As noted to Icegas the idea of far left to far right has been around since the French Revolution. The National Front, some of whose ideas such as being anti immigrants, have become seemingly more acceptable to people like the Reform Party Ltd and some members of the Tory Party, were considered and called far right in the 1970s so it is nothing new or to do with the number voting for the Reform Party Ltd. Interesting how some take offence at 'far right' but then bandy 'far left' or 'woke' and mean it as an insult. And I agree with your last sentence, since around 2015 a dissenting view is perceived by either side as something to rant about and throw insults or abuse their opponents. There is very little calm, knowledgeable debate to be had. I now fully expect to be called woke, leftie, far left, or to be told as a Remainer to 'f*** off, you lost, get over it' or called a 'Remoaner' by some when I try to engage over Brexit. And for a lot of people an opinion carries as much weight as a fact, even though that opinion may be from information on some dodgy website that is bat sh** crazy!! I would love a return to calm, sensible, debate or discussion, even if a little heated but with respect, especially over a pint, without people having a head fit. It works from both sides. The Reform Party are in favour of immigration Chesh. Steady basel, let's not let the facts get in the way 😁
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 17:05:38 GMT
This whole 'far right' labelling seems to have grown since Reform got 4 million votes, but even after Brexit leavers were called 'far right' or 'racist' or both. I do think society is so split now that these 'culture wars' are out of control, no doubt the internet is part of the problem but I dont see how this is going to end. As noted to Icegas the idea of far left to far right has been around since the French Revolution. The National Front, some of whose ideas such as being anti immigrants, have become seemingly more acceptable to people like the Reform Party Ltd and some members of the Tory Party, were considered and called far right in the 1970s so it is nothing new or to do with the number voting for the Reform Party Ltd. Interesting how some take offence at 'far right' but then bandy 'far left' or 'woke' and mean it as an insult. And I agree with your last sentence, since around 2015 a dissenting view is perceived by either side as something to rant about and throw insults or abuse their opponents. There is very little calm, knowledgeable debate to be had. I now fully expect to be called woke, leftie, far left, or to be told as a Remainer to 'f*** off, you lost, get over it' or called a 'Remoaner' by some when I try to engage over Brexit. And for a lot of people an opinion carries as much weight as a fact, even though that opinion may be from information on some dodgy website that is bat sh** crazy!! I would love a return to calm, sensible, debate or discussion, even if a little heated but with respect, especially over a pint, without people having a head fit. It works from both sides. Terry, us Brexiteer's have been called worse. People who post on these forums referred to us as 'racist', 'ignorant', 'stupid', 'little Englanders' all sorts of insults. This split between left and right really started after Brexit when the politicians in the HoC got involved. Even now people refer to Brexit as the 'Tory Brexit', when in reality the Tory party was for Remain. It was a national vote, outside of party lines, but the HoC messed everything up by making it into a party issue, when it never was. Three years of absolute nonsense in Parliament has created this division we are seeing. After 17.2 million people voted for Brexit the HoC should have worked together, but instead they turned it into yet another party tribal issue.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 16:50:39 GMT
Now you are being silly. It's not measurable is it. How do you measure taking away the Winter Fuel Allowance for 10m OAP's? How do you measure cancelling major infrastructure projects or the building of 40 new hospitals? How do you measure the cancelling of a new major computer project? Your questions are getting more and more bizarre. I take it that you support what this government is doing? Add to that riots in the streets,inflation is up and the amount of people 'economically inactive' has increased and its been a busy month for the new government,I sense that a winter of discontent is on its way. I don't agree with the winter of discontent coming for one simple reason. This government will give in to pay demands from the public sector. They already have with the Junior doctors. Today they will give in to the train drivers. GP's are now threatening action, so they will get what they want. The rest of the public sector are watching and licking their lips.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 9:48:14 GMT
Bristol kill the bill riots, Halcyon days of Baider Meinhoff etc etc. We all know it. Where did I deny it? I posted recently on the kill the Bill protests, I havent denied it. On B/Meinhoff....as I have said I was 17. I didn't deny it, just put it into context. You appear fixated, which is a bit weird. No, not fixated.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 9:43:02 GMT
The strangeness of warfare. Russia has been using North Korean missiles against Ukraine. But a strange twist of fate... North Korean arms used against Russia. Captured and delivered to Kyiv by a friendly nation, Ukraine forces not keen on their lack of reliability www.ft.com/content/96e1f526-ae3d-4cff-bc37-8f9dd7d5975fMy understanding is that the Ukes do not want to publicize how useless the Korean stuff is. They want the Russians to keep using it. My understanding is that the quality control of the Korean stuff is non-existent. Apparently up to 70% of Korean shells either malfunction, land too short/too long, wear the barrels quicker etc.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 9:38:00 GMT
"Cancelling hospital and railway line construction investment. Labour pledged in its manifesto to fulfil the 2019 New Hospital Programme. Reversing claims that Labour wouldn’t come into power and find a black hole in the public finances. Not raising tax on working people. U-turning on plans to repeal Starmer’s special DPP tax perk. Going back on suggestions that Labour would look at ID cards for citizens. Scrapping their pledge to immediately repeal Section 21 evictions. Scrapping £1.3 billion in tech and AI project funding. Lowering housebuilding targets in London by 20%. Leaving the door open to scrapping the two-child benefit cap by launching a delaying ‘taskforce’. Pulling the cash pledged to fill one million potholes. That filled a few days of Labour campaigning in the election… More major U-turns are set to appear further down the line. "
And of course, there is the stuff they didn't mention like scrapping the Winter Fuel Allowance.....and this is in the first six weeks.
I see inflation is up again today.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 6:51:28 GMT
Priest thought to pose risk to children is paid off..by Aleem Maqbool, religion editor & Steve Swann, BBC File on 4.www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/resources/images/11319597.jpg?type=mds-article-962The Church of England made a six-figure pay-off to a priest assessed as a potential risk to children and young people, a BBC investigation has found. Canon Andrew Hindley - who worked in Blackburn diocese from 1991 to 2021 - was subject to five police investigations, including into allegations of sexual assault. He has never been charged with any criminal offences and says he has never presented any safeguarding risk to anyone. A senior member of staff at Blackburn Cathedral resigned over the settlement and says concerns about the priest were “an open secret” among senior clergy. The former Bishop of Blackburn Julian Henderson described the financial settlement when he was in post as the “only option” left for the Church “to protect children and vulnerable young people from the risk Canon Hindley posed”. The archbishops of Canterbury and York have told the BBC they are “still working” to get Church processes right and “must learn” from past mistakes. Despite many people we approached being unwilling to talk, our two-year investigation also found: Restrictions on Canon Hindley, banning him from choir school and school visits, were never monitored The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Reverend Justin Welby, backed a plan to close Blackburn Cathedral if the priest returned to work from suspension Three Lancashire bishops complained “strings have been pulled and networks have been used to effect Canon Hindley’s ongoing ministry” There were previous attempts to pay the priest to leave, dating back more than 15 years In 2022, Canon Hindley was offered £240,000, the BBC understands. We do not know the final amount paid because the parties signed non-disclosure agreements keeping it secret. The Church of England said it was settling legal action brought by the priest in response to an earlier Church decision to force him to retire. But the BBC has seen evidence the Church tried several times over the years to pay off Canon Hindley. It was the “tipping point” for Rowena Pailing, who quit as the cathedral’s vice-dean and head of safeguarding, ending a nearly 20-year career with the Church of England. “I couldn't work for an organisation which put its own reputation and the protection of alleged abusers above the protection and care and listening to victims and survivors,” she tells the BBC, speaking publicly for the first time about the case. The message the payment sends to victims and survivors is “absolutely horrific… I was devastated”. i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article18179619.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_JS172894292.jpg In fairness the church had a problem here. After five Police investigations they couldn't find any proof to convict him, so what were they to do? By the way I am an Athiest so in no way am a church supporter and I am well aware of abuse in all religions by so-called "men of the cloth". In this day and age you cannot just sack someone without a valid reason as they'll just take you to court. Yes, this does stink, but what else could the church (as an employer) do?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 6:43:51 GMT
Oldie, you have a history of doing just this. Quote me Bristol kill the bill riots, Halcyon days of Baider Meinhoff etc etc. We all know it.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 6:34:38 GMT
This is like drawing teeth. I am not 'targeting outcomes'. The title of the thread is 'the Labour government's progress', so your viewpoint is totally irrational as the thread is about progress, not outcomes. Like I said, why don't you start your own thread, or are you frightened that you'll just end up talking to yourself? So How do you measure progress then? Now you are being silly. It's not measurable is it. How do you measure taking away the Winter Fuel Allowance for 10m OAP's? How do you measure cancelling major infrastructure projects or the building of 40 new hospitals? How do you measure the cancelling of a new major computer project? Your questions are getting more and more bizarre. I take it that you support what this government is doing?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2024 20:36:17 GMT
Step by step - You said - 'It's not a race, or religious thing, it's a cultural thing..as we have imported many backwards, and many dangerous culture's here.Oldie pointed out that - "Christianity is the predominant religion in Romania, with Romanian Orthodoxy being the largest denomination. According to the 2021 National Census, 85.3% of the population identified as Romanian Orthodox Christians, 4.5% as Roman Catholics, 3% as Reformed Christians, and 2.5% as Pentecostal Christians."
And asked - ' Culture?'You then replied - 'They are Gypsies.'We were all talking about Romanians. You did not say 'some are Gypsies' or 'a large percentage are Gypsies' you simply said 'They are Gypsies.'Thanks Cheshire What is it with these people? When they say something, then as bold as brass deny saying it? Oldie, you have a history of doing just this.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2024 20:33:35 GMT
If you think that way then fine. There's no need for you to comment. Just go and start your own thread on the Tories and Reform. I don't need to. The irrationality of targeting outcomes within 8 weeks of ascent to power is there for all to see. This is like drawing teeth. I am not 'targeting outcomes'. The title of the thread is 'the Labour government's progress', so your viewpoint is totally irrational as the thread is about progress, not outcomes. Like I said, why don't you start your own thread, or are you frightened that you'll just end up talking to yourself?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2024 15:57:23 GMT
Well, if want to talk about the Tories and Reform, then start a thread. This one in entitled 'The Labour government's progress'. Which is ridiculous after less than a couple of months in power. No wonder it draws such ridicule If you think that way then fine. There's no need for you to comment. Just go and start your own thread on the Tories and Reform.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2024 15:26:14 GMT
Oldie. We are not talking about the Tories nor Reform, so why do you always attempt to switch the argument to them? We are talking about the current Labour Government. This "3.4 billion funding package" is not something that has just happened because of Labour. I have no doubt that a project of this size has been a few years in the planning. I am. And yes it has (the cable) But it was stuck and now it is now approved. It's good news Well, if want to talk about the Tories and Reform, then start a thread. This one in entitled 'The Labour government's progress'.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2024 12:52:58 GMT
"Labour playing a blinder with their appointments to Department of Energy and Net Zero (DESNZ). Six ministers appointed to DESNZ. However, analysis of their background and experience reveals that two with PPE degrees, one with a degree in history, another with a degree in political studies and one with a degree in history and politics. There’s also one minister gaining a degree in Russian studies before studying law. Not one of them has a background in science, engineering or maths. Almost all of them have worked in the public sector for their whole lives, so between them there is precious little experience of the commercial world and no experience of the energy sector." - This is going to end well. DESNZ competance
Is this one of them? "As former chief executive of the Climate Change Committee, and former Director of Energy and Climate Change in the Scottish Government, Chris Stark will bring extensive expertise working with the energy sector to remove barriers and achieve the clean power mission on the country’s path to net zero."? In other news announced over the last 24 hours "£3.4 billion funding package has been awarded to build a proposed new subsea and underground 500km cable between Scotland and Yorkshire which could power up to 2million homes. Eastern Green Link 2 (EGL2) is the first of 26 projects to complete a fast-track process to secure funding through Ofgem's new ASTI framework" But of course disgruntled Tory voters and Reform supporters, themselves left dangling in the window of a policy free party and from a leader caught with spreading false information initially posted by Andrew Tate, want to concentrate what ministers had for breakfast. 😂😂 Oldie. We are not talking about the Tories nor Reform, so why do you always attempt to switch the argument to them? We are talking about the current Labour Government. This "3.4 billion funding package" is not something that has just happened because of Labour. I have no doubt that a project of this size has been a few years in the planning.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2024 11:20:34 GMT
"Labour playing a blinder with their appointments to Department of Energy and Net Zero (DESNZ). Six ministers appointed to DESNZ. However, analysis of their background and experience reveals that two with PPE degrees, one with a degree in history, another with a degree in political studies and one with a degree in history and politics. There’s also one minister gaining a degree in Russian studies before studying law. Not one of them has a background in science, engineering or maths. Almost all of them have worked in the public sector for their whole lives, so between them there is precious little experience of the commercial world and no experience of the energy sector." - This is going to end well. DESNZ competance
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