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Post by Rex on Apr 7, 2020 11:36:08 GMT
I dont think this thread has been political. With rees-mogg i just googled wealthy politicians and his name came up,thinking about it now could just as easily be that well known money grabber tony blair. I also made a comment about wealthy old etonians but i guess some labour politicians go went to posh public schools? The real point for me which as usual people choose to pretend they have not understood is that its unfair to single out footballers and not mention the great many other wealthy people. Oh give over. You've got all political and then been reminded that it was you who was stressy a while back about this exact same thing, it's quite funny. Labour actually campaigned against the status that Eton, all fee paying schools, but specifically Eton, enjoys. Mentioning it and then singling out JRM was politically motivated, you are fooling nobody. Moving right along. Do you need it explaining why going after CEOs won't work? I think it was me who initially mentioned Rees Mogg, although I did it just as an example, almost to a man they are all pretty much peas in a pod , with the possible exception of Corbyn, who I think really is in it because he wants to improve things (although this of course doesn't mean he would have done a good job of it!) I don't think we should be 'going after' anyone, all this came about because of a cheap shot by Hancock who knew footballers would be an easy target. In the interest of balance regarding principled politicians, I thought Thatcher was one. I absolutely think her policies fuelled the divisions we still see in society today and think she has blood on her hands as much as Blair, but I do think she did what she did for what she perceived to be the right reasons. Can we have our serious forum back please  |
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Post by Rex on Apr 7, 2020 8:41:48 GMT
What you actually mean is can we keep this thread about footballers giving up their wages but dont worry about anyone else who earns shed loads of money. No. I know perfectly well what I mean thank you, and I think I've expressed myself clearly enough. For the 3rd (possibly 4th) time... this thread relates to the financial response of football to the CV national crisis. It has widened to include sport in general. Fine. If someone wants to open a new thread to look at tax structures in the wider economy - that's also fine. Be my guest. The danger is that a football supporter looks at the thread and assumes it relates solely to football. They then get very p*ssed off.
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 21:37:26 GMT
Bring in a new temporary income tax on earners above a specific amount. You could probably even - initially- make it voluntary. I think we need to separate out "Sport" (not just footballers) from the wider economy. Though as I said earlier - I don't mind debating the wider economy elsewhere. Your plan is not a bad plan Sir. Make it voluntary and publicise every single sportsman who signs up to it. Shame the others into signing up. Fine by me. Strange times Rex. Here is the irony. My politics are right of centre (quite a long way right of centre from an economic/financial perspective to be honest). And I'm proposing Government intervention and higher taxes (in sport). I would imagine you are left of centre (please correct me if I'm wrong). Sounds a bit like you are advocating footballers have every right to retain 100% of their exorbitant salary (should they so wish) in a time of a national crisis? Is this because uncontrolled capitalism is great? Note. As long as we can discuss 'politics' politely and do not resort to mud-slinging and name calling, I am happy for it to continue. I actually quite like to hear the 'other side of the debate'. But any derogatory language and it won't continue. As long as we are polite to each other and respect each others opinion (quite possibly through gritted teeth) - fine by me. Mods - please add comment if necessary. Well obviously they have the right as does anyone, I would like to see them help financially but no more than I would like to see eg Jacob Rees Mogg help out. I cannot see why you think footballers should be treated differently to any other super rich person. I don't think uncontrolled capitalism is great, it just happens to be the way of the world and I suspect it always will be. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 19:03:50 GMT
For atmosphere... Millwall, The Old Den. I went there a few times with Rovers and always found it pretty quiet a ( with the obvious exception of the last ever game there) |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 15:50:23 GMT
Used to love going to Millmoor...old traditional stadiums are still the best Millmoor would have to be up there for me as well, the main stand always reminded me of the North Stand at Eastville. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 15:49:32 GMT
I did pick up a new car from a dealership across the way from there about 5 years ago and that big stand looked hugely impressive. I parked opposite that dealership last year, and got a parking ticket for my troubles  This place was probably over a mile away but you could still clearly see the ground. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 13:28:30 GMT
Ground = Valley Parade Bradford. Genuinely think it's spectacular both as a design and position.
Away Experience = Morecambe every time.
I haven't seen a game there for years, the last time I did there was still that low roofed away end along one side of the pitch. I did pick up a new car from a dealership across the way from there about 5 years ago and that big stand looked hugely impressive. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 13:22:36 GMT
Favourite away ground as in somewhere I have seen Rovers play would probably be Ayr United, or Blackpool before the refurbishment. I only ever saw us at Boothferry Park after the away end was truncated, that was still a lovely old ground but I would have loved to have seen it before the desecration!
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 12:39:24 GMT
The thing is, people have no difficulty finding out that in some circumstances they can put in a few fuel receipts, or a receipt for the shoes they need for work, that type of thing, so the information is there, if someone is motivated to look for it. While that is true, the footballers are under a bit of fire at the moment so I think the solution would be to publicise things, maybe some sort of register that celebs could sign up to 'I've made the NHS tax pledge' kind of thing. That should get the media off their back and raise funds. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 12:12:12 GMT
Publicise that fact then. If you wanted to do something like that you would soon find out. Desperate times. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 11:52:47 GMT
Bring in a new temporary income tax on earners above a specific amount. You could probably even - initially- make it voluntary. We already have that. Anybody can send any %, over and above the legally required sum of their income to HMRC. Publicise that fact then. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 11:32:51 GMT
Pot, kettle, black Let me know what statement I have made that you would like me to back up. At worst I'll concede it's my opinion rather than 'fact' (whatever a fact is these days of fake news...).
Anyway - back to the case in point - what would your solution be Rex? Do nothing?Bring in a new temporary income tax on earners above a specific amount. You could probably even - initially- make it voluntary. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 11:01:10 GMT
Again, trying to not get too political, Jeremy Corbyn wanted to tax the rich and was vilified and sent a resounding 'no thanks' at the general election. I find it staggering that throughout social media (which in my world is just Facebook and football forums) is full of the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess. Sorry for stereotyping my friends on social media as it is generally lazy and inaccurate but in this case I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype OK. Trying not to get too political, or Admin will slap my wrists. "Some" of the Labour Party manifesto made sense. I agree that the re-distribution of wealth should be one of the primary functions of Government. I think that an over-haul of the current tax system is long over-due. Post-CV we may well see this happen. However "overall" the last Labour Party manifesto led to their worst defeat since the 30's. It was rejected. To conclude that it's "the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess". That's not stereotyping, it's just doesn't make any rational sense and there's no way you could back that statement up! Anyway - back to the case in point - what would your solution be Rex? Do nothing? (Note - if we can keep this to just football/sport... that helps keep the focus. I'd be happy for debate on changes to the re-distribution of wealth / changes to the tax system in wider economy. But somewhere else please). UTG. Pot, kettle, black |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 10:52:21 GMT
Again, trying to not get too political, Jeremy Corbyn wanted to tax the rich and was vilified and sent a resounding 'no thanks' at the general election. I find it staggering that throughout social media (which in my world is just Facebook and football forums) is full of the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess. Sorry for stereotyping my friends on social media as it is generally lazy and inaccurate but in this case I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype Not many people are, I think, suggesting that players permanently hand over 98% of their earning, as per Commissar Corbyn's plans. The issue is that they are in a privileged position and are having their wages protected by their employers dipping in to public funds. So far, as far as I'm aware, not a single player has spoken out against any of the 5 PL clubs who have done this. BTW, Corbyn was sent packing because his economic plans for normal times were as sustainable as we are seeing now as emergency measures, and this short term mess is going to take an awfully long time to resolve , he refused to condemn terrorists and he surrounded himself with idiots like Rebecca Wrong-Daily and Abbot. He condemned all terrorist actions,just never specific groups. Anyway, we had better stop this, I don't want to get banned while I'm stuck at home all day! |
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 10:26:53 GMT
Your just stereotyping them as if somehow all footballers behave in the same way. Total nonsense. Stereotyping is generally lazy and inaccurate. But with premiership footballers (with very few exceptions) - I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype. I'm not suggesting that every premiership footballer taking a 50% pay cut is fair and equitable. But I would suggest that (say) a 75% tax payable directly to the NHS starting at a threshhold of (say) £0.5mil a year would make 'the noise' go away. (£0.5mil pa = £9,615.38 a WEEK). At the moment football is in the middle of an almighty marketing disaster. It deserves the media attention because it is the national game. All this comment about "the media picking on working class lads" is total b*llsh*t. They can be educated at their local comprehensive, Eton or Harrow. Don't care. Not relevant. All sports 'stars' should be treated the same. Motor racing drivers, tennis players, golfers, cricketers... you name it. Cross that threshhold - get your cheque book out. They play the sport they love and are paid obscene amount of money for the privilege. Time to give some back. What would your solution be vertigo? Do nothing? Again, trying to not get too political, Jeremy Corbyn wanted to tax the rich and was vilified and sent a resounding 'no thanks' at the general election. I find it staggering that throughout social media (which in my world is just Facebook and football forums) is full of the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess. Sorry for stereotyping my friends on social media as it is generally lazy and inaccurate but in this case I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype |
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Post by Rex on Apr 5, 2020 22:40:08 GMT
Unfortunately social media is an absolutely fantastic place to create a witch hunt. I don't know any Premier League footballers, but from what I have seen in interviews (when they are actually allowed to say what they think) they are normal blokes, with a lot of talent, and that talent has been used by others to make huge sums of money for everyone lucky enough to be on the carousel.
Most of the outrage about footballers on my Facebook feed comes from 'supporters' of teams like Liverpool, Manchester City or United etc. I would hazard a guess that a huge majority of those complaining are Sky subscribers and get excited about things like 'Super Sunday' Well you reap what you sow.
I know we aren't allowed to get political on here , but generally speaking they are also the same people who bang on about clapping every Thursday to show support for the NHS but consistently vote for cuts in that same organisation.
Premier League footballers aren't the problem, they are just a convenient scapegoat.
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Post by Rex on Apr 5, 2020 14:17:32 GMT
But you haven't said who you are, or I have I missed something? You don't have to say by the way, it just seemed to me that you were accusing others of hiding behind a pseudonym when you seem to be doing the same thing. For what it's worth I don't really care if people want to identify themselves or not, I know the identity of about 6 or 7 people on here and that's mostly because they are mates, or in the case of 'One F in Dunford' someone who used to scrounge lifts off me and Faustus who I think is the annoying bloke at the Civil Service club who always seems to find me in the queue at the bar claiming its my round and demanding a pint of Thatchers. But should there be a chorus of 'encore, encore' or 'more, more' from those on here that seem to delight at aiming abuse but really love me, I will of course accede. I missed that then and I'm not sure I really want to trawl back through posts, so you will remain anonymous to me! My name is Rex by the way |
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Post by Rex on Apr 5, 2020 14:05:00 GMT
Sorry to keep on. My final (?) thought in relation to us. I agree with those who've said they don’t want to see Rovers in the PL. having watched AFCB over their time in the PL (and in their season when with -17 points they avoided non league football just). Whilst they are living the dream, I know several who can’t afford the ST now and struggle to get a ticket and of those that go a few say all we do is aim at getting 40 points so to avoid going down. Unfortunately it is about money, they just want to be in the “PL club” and who can blame them? But it’s not for me. It becomes boring and tbh I think some AFCB fans are beginning to recognise that, but they probably won’t admit it! 😉UTG! Stay safe everyone I was chatting to a Bournemouth fan a couple of years ago , so about 3 years into their Premier League stint. He had been watching them for years and while he said he wasn't moaning about being there, he was started to find the odd kick off times and not being able to sit with his mates all a bit trying. He had really enjoyed the trips to Old Trafford etc. but said his best away day in the top flight had been at - I think - Watford, because everyone was able to get tickets, it was a 3pm Saturday kick off, and they were able to get a mini bus from the pub which had been a regular occurrence when they were a 3rd /4th division outfit. AS I said, that was a couple of years ago, it wouldn't surprise me if he actually wanted them to get relegated now! |
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Post by Rex on Apr 5, 2020 13:23:15 GMT
ta! and no, I think he goes by both Knowall and fanatical (fanny) on here Nothing untoward, quite simply I am not computer literate and when one day I was unable to log on in one name I came up with another which the forum accepted. Since then my computer seems to decide for me who I am today - no doubt many on here will know why this happens - but unfortunately I haven't a clue. As it happens I think it is more honest to own up to who I am because I have nothing to hide, and I happen to believe that it is dishonest to have a 'go' at people who are named ie players, management, owners, and other posters while hiding behind an avatar. For instance is it really fair to have a go at Wael when you know who he is but he doesn't know who you are? Or Masters or Clarke for that matter. For me it is common decency. But you haven't said who you are, or I have I missed something? You don't have to say by the way, it just seemed to me that you were accusing others of hiding behind a pseudonym when you seem to be doing the same thing. For what it's worth I don't really care if people want to identify themselves or not, I know the identity of about 6 or 7 people on here and that's mostly because they are mates, or in the case of 'One F in Dunford' someone who used to scrounge lifts off me and Faustus who I think is the annoying bloke at the Civil Service club who always seems to find me in the queue at the bar claiming its my round and demanding a pint of Thatchers. |
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Post by Rex on Apr 4, 2020 18:11:05 GMT
Why do some posters post under multiple names seems to be the thing with a certain group. I don't quite get it myself, each to their own though I suppose . |
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