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Post by Rex on Apr 17, 2021 17:21:41 GMT
TBH I think everyone looking around to blame someone is part of the problem. We are where we are, the most important thing is trying to sort out the mess, not blame someone for it. On reflection, that's a fair point Rex. If we're staying in Harrogate for the weekend, are you driving me and Reg? Would make up for all the rounds you miss. I stayed in Harrogate travelling back from the Gateshead game in 'that' season. It was a an awful night weather wise and I had an awful curry in an awful restaurant, I had so been looking forward to going there as well! Does Reg have a licence then? News to me if he does and I will have you know I have NEVER missed a round in my life. Oh hang on, you mean actually paying for a round, fair point.
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Post by Rex on Apr 17, 2021 17:18:14 GMT
On reflection, that's a fair point Rex. If we're staying in Harrogate for the weekend, are you driving me and Reg? Would make up for all the rounds you miss. There will be a warm welcome for you in Devon Doc. Bloody hell, has Harrogate moved?
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Post by Rex on Apr 17, 2021 16:48:53 GMT
You need to identify where it's gone wrong first and resolve it but you are right there's no point in just finger pointing. Just watched the managers post match interview and he was clear that the players lack quality so it's obvious where he will focus his efforts in the summer and I don't think he will be using the current DOF for player recruitment. 8 weeks ago they were 'the right group of players' To be fair to him, he knew they were the players he would have to rely on to get us out of it and 'They're s***e, but hey ho let's get on with it' probably wouldn't have been the best rallying call to get your new troops onside! Like him or loathe him, we are stuck with JB (possibly aside from the court case) just as much as he is stuck with the players, us and the board. We are all in it together whether we like who we are in it with or not!
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Post by Rex on Apr 17, 2021 16:30:57 GMT
TBH I think everyone looking around to blame someone is part of the problem. We are where we are, the most important thing is trying to sort out the mess, not blame someone for igt. So you are suggesting that the person who is ultimately responsible for this mess, is the person we should trust in to get us out of it. Right. Got it. That's not remotely what I said.
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Post by Rex on Apr 17, 2021 16:26:21 GMT
We use to be a tier 3 side that would pop into T2 now and again. Looking like we are T4 that pops into T3 now and again. About 30 or 40 years ago we were. We have been tier 3/4 (and lower) for a VERY long time.
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Post by Rex on Apr 17, 2021 16:12:44 GMT
TBH I think everyone looking around to blame someone is part of the problem. We are where we are, the most important thing is trying to sort out the mess, not blame someone for it.
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Post by Rex on Apr 13, 2021 19:28:55 GMT
I'm already looking forward to a weekend in Harrogate.
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Post by Rex on Apr 13, 2021 19:19:07 GMT
Not looking good is it.
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Post by Rex on Apr 13, 2021 9:08:02 GMT
He should have been booked for that then. I would love to see refs starting booking players for twattish behaviour. I'd start with a mandatory yellow for anyone who does the finger to lip 'shhh' goal celebration in an empty stadium. I`d brandish an immediate red to any fenian player, who crosses themself during a game. Yes, the game needs more sectarianism.
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Post by Rex on Apr 11, 2021 15:20:08 GMT
Wolverhampton Wanderers v Sheffield United 2-1 Brentford v Millwall 2-1 Nottingham Forest v Huddersfield Town 3-1 Sheffield Wednesday v Bristol City 0-2 Bristol Rovers v Lincoln City 3-1 Hull City v Fleetwood Town 1-0 Milton Keynes Dons v Portsmouth 1-0 Newport County v Cambridge United 2-0 Tranmere Rovers v Salford City 1-0 Chelsea v Manchester City1-2
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Post by Rex on Apr 10, 2021 14:25:55 GMT
Sounds like we outnumber them 'You're supposed to be at home!'
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Post by Rex on Apr 10, 2021 8:08:26 GMT
You just have to believe that, by the law of averages, they are both due a few. That's akin to thinking that a carthorse will win the Grand National. 150/1 shot won the Irish National last week
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 22:26:08 GMT
The season ticket deadline was brought foward from previous seasons, and it was made very clear that the deadline was the deadline. For seats, that deadline was April. The comminication made it clear that seats would only be held until that date. This was change from previous seasons. This will be evidenced from the communications at the time which no doubt are in available somewhere on line still. Maybe you should have a look.
2999 Season ticket holders will no doubt vouch for that. But feel free to blame Gorringe.
For info, I didnt agree with that earlier deadline, but I was aware of it as was all of my group, and we complied with said deadline so as not to lose seats.
Next seasons ticket news will be out soon I understand. You might want to make a note of that deadline. Good night.
All very nice, except the April deadline was extended, as deadlines had been in previous seasons. And I didn't want a seat at Rovers, my only reference to seats was the conversation with staff at the DSS Arena, and that's because the red dump is all seater. None of it matters anyway, the point sat behind it is this, Gorringe was stood behind the counter in a shop, goods were on the shelf, a customer was stood at the counter willing to pay the price on the ticket, there was a 'Do not use before' date on the item, but that date had not arrived, and Gorringe refused to sell it.
You may like that as a business model, I don't.But he's not the main issue here, the main thing is the losses and where the club finds itself in terms of structure and on-field performance. Are those losses sustainable, and what I mean by that is, how long can Wael afford to keep putting in £3 ~4m P/A to keep things afloat as he's presently running them, and what is he going to do when the money put in exceeds the value of the stadium? That charge isn't there for fun. Surely no one can disagree with this? If you do, I honestly would love to hear your reasoning for doing so.
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 22:22:32 GMT
Surely missing the deadline isn't the point? A club that is losing money hand over fist, has people wanting to pay money up front, for a product that, in this case, wasn't even available! That's staggering beyond belief. It is, quite literally, people offering the club money- in this case- for nothing, and the club turning it down because they wanted the money the day before. I don't agree with all of Bambi's criticisms of Gorringe & the club, in fact, I don't agree with him on many things at all, but I am really, really struggling, to see how people are missing the point he is making. We agree on Scottish football. Oh yeah, I knew there was something!
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 22:10:03 GMT
I did try to speak to him, no reply, ended up exchanging emails with Hani. The deadline had passed, and that was it. The problem was, in previous years as long as the ticket was bought prior to the first even there was no issue, and there are always so many deadlines you can't be expected to work out which one is the real one.They have my email address, in fact, they have several, on different databases, so not being able to make contact and explain that the actual, real, final, we're serious this time, deadline is approaching was possible, but the master of disaster communication, Gorringe, couldn't work it out.
Glad you cleared it up for us all.
So - you ignored the deadline, and missed out.
And blaming Gorringe for you error of ignoring the deadline.
Thanks for the explanation.
Surely missing the deadline isn't the point? A club that is losing money hand over fist, has people wanting to pay money up front, for a product that, in this case, wasn't even available! That's staggering beyond belief. It is, quite literally, people offering the club money- in this case- for nothing, and the club turning it down because they wanted the money the day before. I don't agree with all of Bambi's criticisms of Gorringe & the club, in fact, I don't agree with him on many things at all, but I am really, really struggling, to see how people are missing the point he is making.
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 21:55:43 GMT
Is there a limit to number of season ti kets we sell? Does any club allocate 100% of home allowance as season tickets? There are some clubs who limit season ticket holder numbers, unfortunately Rovers aren't really in a position to do that.
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 20:42:44 GMT
Well I won't be buying one now Maybe I should have kicked up a bit more of a fuss, but that still doesn't take away from the fact Rovers actually turned away fans money, at least 3 that I know of. Im surprised no one has dropped him a line. I have done on a couple of issues previously and he replied quite quickly with an explanation re my issue.
Not having a pop at you but its clearly an issue and possibly was for others. So perhaps a good idea to get an explanation from Gorringe, so it can all be put to bed after an explanation. And maybe fixed for the future.
Much better to do that than ring Ashton Gate I reckon
I think Bambi was just trying to illustrate a point and one it's hard to argue against. Bambi has made it clear he doesn't rate Gorringe, I can't say I have ever had a problem with him directly, although if it was him responsible to have a deadline for selling ST's then you have to question what was a truly baffling decision.
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 20:24:24 GMT
I am still baffled by this. This is the first season for nearly 30 years that I haven't had a Rovers season ticket. When they went on sale last year I didn't know whether I would have a job for much longer. I had a Celtic and Rovers ticket to renew. I renewed my Celtic one, on the grounds that, if I didn't I would probably never get one again considering the waiting list, I also knew I could easily sell it on if I needed the money, I knew this meant missing the deadline for a reduced price season ticket for Rovers, but- wrongly as it turns out- I assumed I could actually still buy a season ticket. After a couple of months business really started to recover (bizarrely it is at record levels now) so I went to get a Rovers season ticket , only to be told I was too late (This is before we had even played a game) Is there any other business anywhere in the world that turns away customers wanting to pay cash up front for a product they may not - and in this case didn't- actually receive? Worth dropping a line to GorringeWell I won't be buying one now Maybe I should have kicked up a bit more of a fuss, but that still doesn't take away from the fact Rovers actually turned away fans money, at least 3 that I know of.
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 20:01:16 GMT
Sorry your arguments just don't stack.. Love the way you turned it back to JB with quote about Fleetwood. Their owner seems to be willing to go down that route, again not sustainable.. Most other clubs in league 1 have a stadium that does generate extra income. Burton are a great example of that, but even so most are losing money handover fist. Catchment area, a two club city... That definitely does not help us especially when our red friends are doing much better than us at the moment. Big business will gravitate to them unfortunately. One thing you do have right is Tom Gorringe, he's doing an excellent job in difficult circumstances and we are considerably more professional in all aspects of the club than compared to the Higgs era, which based upon anyone's criteria was an unmitigated disaster. If you explain otherwise I would like to hear it other than getting lucky with DC. My arguments are absolutely sound, all you've done is stick your head in a bucket and shout without explaining why I'm wrong. It's a matter of record that B***** was the manager when Fleetwood posted losses of £5,950,000 and still didn't get promoted. As Swiss keeps asking, do we have figures to demonstrate that there's a net increase in retained profit from anything that Gorringe has been involved in? Remember, this is the bloke who took on Mintbet as a sponsor, when we were expresely forbidden from entering any such contract, that made national news. You may think we're lucky to have him, I think he should have gone years ago. I'll ask again, how does £20m over 5 years, culminating in a desperate relegation battle, with the losses secured against our home, compare to what's happened at all other L1 clubs over that period? Go do some research, when you have some data let us know, it'll be interesting to see how we stack up against the competition. Ref what's happening in BS3, their stadium holds around 20,000 people, that leaves us the other 980,000 people to target as potential customers. A great example of how dreadful Gorringe is would be that I tried to buy a season ticket and was refused as the deadline had passed, this was prior to the first home game, so I phoned Ashton Gate, they had already played their first home match for that season but said that I was welcome to come down, there weren't may seats available but someone would go around the ground with me, I could sit in each of the available seats and buy a season ticket for whichever one I liked best. Lucky to have him? Yeah, OK, if you say so. I am still baffled by this. This is the first season for nearly 30 years that I haven't had a Rovers season ticket. When they went on sale last year I didn't know whether I would have a job for much longer. I had a Celtic and Rovers ticket to renew. I renewed my Celtic one, on the grounds that, if I didn't I would probably never get one again considering the waiting list, I also knew I could easily sell it on if I needed the money, I knew this meant missing the deadline for a reduced price season ticket for Rovers, but- wrongly as it turns out- I assumed I could actually still buy a season ticket. After a couple of months business really started to recover (bizarrely it is at record levels now) so I went to get a Rovers season ticket , only to be told I was too late (This is before we had even played a game) Is there any other business anywhere in the world that turns away customers wanting to pay cash up front for a product they may not - and in this case didn't- actually receive?
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Post by Rex on Apr 5, 2021 16:00:15 GMT
It's the hope that kills you.
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