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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 15:49:45 GMT
It's happened, occassionally, before. The EU (& it's previous incarnations) had 40+ years to prove it's worth to us and it has failed, miserably in my view. We've voted (democratically) out and if the country pulls together (as I would've have done had it been a Remain vote) we will all make a success of it, if the country doesn't pull together (& at the moment the Remain camp seems to be sulking like a petulant child) then it could fail. I don't think think the petulant child remark is particularly helpful when you talk about people pulling together  , and isn't it odd that Farage has talked about people pulling together, yet before the vote he said he would have contested any close result! However, I do agree that the remainers among us have to accept and get on with it. I think- certainly in the short term- that the uncertainty will create a few economic problems, but I suspect that in a few years time, most of us won't even give a seconds thought as to whether we are in the EU or not, as we will all just get on with our lives pretty much in the same way we have always done.
It probably doesn't help but that is the feeling I'm getting from many of them. You're right on it settling down & in a few years time it will become the accepted norm. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 14:51:03 GMT
It's happened, occassionally, before. The EU (& it's previous incarnations) had 40+ years to prove it's worth to us and it has failed, miserably in my view. We've voted (democratically) out and if the country pulls together (as I would've have done had it been a Remain vote) we will all make a success of it, if the country doesn't pull together (& at the moment the Remain camp seems to be sulking like a petulant child) then it could fail.There is, allegedly, a petition on YouGov, asking for a rerun of the referendum. They should have told us what answer they wanted before we voted. Maybe could have helped them out a bit on that one. Paid me some dosh, who knows? Everyone has a price. Strewth you couldn't make it up. If I recall the EU has in the past asked Denmark and Ireland to vote again because they didn't like the answer that was democratically arrived at the first time. No wonder we are where we are with them......... Democracy has never sat very easily with the EU, they have also been known to criticise democratically elected governments & presidents because they don't like their political leaning. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 14:48:01 GMT
What border control? Illegals will still get in and we need people to come into the UK do the work which others won't do. We have the lowest unemployment (1.6m) for goodness only knows how long. We have 2m+ from outside of EU and 1.8m from inside the EU. If we are to prosper we need those who are able to have more children or we are in trouble but even that won't help in the short term. And the irony is that one aspect of border control we currently have is at Calais, grudgingly accepted by the French under EU co-operation and loathed by the locals. So when that gets removed, as per our new view of 'we don't need them', the Jungle and future migrants will be free to move directly to Kent. Then what? Child Catcher like figures with a big net? Good luck with that. Still, we'll be able to stop mainland Europeans coming here, working, paying tax, and making a net contribution to public finance to help pay pensions and fund the health sevice that these old folk expect. One of the sickening things is when they say that, well yes, all the ones they know (if they know any) are very good people, speak as I find, it's all the others, you know: all the ones I know = good, therefore, given my experience, all the ones I don't know must be.... Give me strength. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 14:28:20 GMT
And there in is the Remain camps problem because they couldn't tell anyone how much that figure was because the EU is a bereaucratic mess that have never had their own accounts signed off by their own auditors. You could barely make up such a farce. Flipping heck, we agree Great idea, administrative nightmare. All too easy for someone like Farage to sit on the sidelines and point out the shortcomings, a whole lot harder to figure out how to make the thing actually work, especially when parasites like the Kinnock family crawl up the sewers and straight into very well paid jobs that produce, as far as I can tell, the square root of naff all. It's all well and good to accuse leavers of voting for rainbows with pots of gold, but until the EU is actually a democratic and functioning body that's fit for purpose, the remainers are just as bad. We had a choice, but it was no choice. It's happened, occassionally, before. The EU (& it's previous incarnations) had 40+ years to prove it's worth to us and it has failed, miserably in my view. We've voted (democratically) out and if the country pulls together (as I would've have done had it been a Remain vote) we will all make a success of it, if the country doesn't pull together (& at the moment the Remain camp seems to be sulking like a petulant child) then it could fail. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 13:47:26 GMT
Not what has been said. Detracts from your argument entirely. So did I. Your words Thought I'd remind you as perhaps you are going senile? |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 13:45:17 GMT
It was a stupid question to ask Farage though... He's not in Government and so clearly he has no power to decide how tax revenues are spent The reason it was a 'mistake' is that there was never going to be £350m a week to spend in the first place. Britain's rebate took the figure down to £286m, and then you have to subtract subsidies paid to UK farmers and the assorted EU grants for various projects, some of which are received in Bristol. Not that the Leave campaign were not perfectly well aware of that in the first place. And there in is the Remain camps problem because they couldn't tell anyone how much that figure was because the EU is a bereaucratic mess that have never had their own accounts signed off by their own auditors. You could barely make up such a farce. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 13:37:13 GMT
Looking at the map of the vote I think that exposed the fracture in the UK. I am not so sure that this was a vote against the EU but more a reaction to globalisation and the impact of national Tax and Spend policies on a huge swathe of the population. To that end, age has no bearing. Interesting that those that have benefitted most from the above, voted remain by a substantial majority. London, along the M4 corridor and western home counties. Almost uniformly the rest of the country voted Brexit (I am excluding Scotland). Now the irony is that those that will come to power as a result of this are those that implemented or voted for policies that has had the negative impact on the social and economic well being of the very people who voted for Brexit. Did any of the leading people in the Leave Campaign agree and support the minimum wage legislation when it was first brought to the Statute Book? Now they are saying that wages will rise as a result of Brexit, how? Are they going to raise, uniformly the minimum wage, or are they hoping that by restricting the free movement of labour a shortage of labour will result resulting in wage inflation? Well that's what it will be, inflation, not real income rises born of increased productivity. Real incomes generally fall as a result of inflation. Will our education system become better? Too late, so many of our schools have been handed over to private companies, including valuable previously owned public assets, that it is probably irreversible. Now our kids are in faith schools, schools run by ideologues, and where the only measure of education is a string of multiple tests. Our Health System, which improved dramatically after 2002, is now floundering again, under the very leadership of the same people who led the Brexit Campaign. And people actually believed that these same people who said that they would divert the contributions to the EU to our Health System, the very people who cut nurses training capacity in 2010 and more recently cut Nursing Bursaries. The same people who complained about the level of immigration when as a result of these cuts to training and opportunity led to a significant amount of recruitment from abroad to fill the gaps in labour and skills. No this wasn't about the EU, it was about frustration felt by a huge swathe of the population and the EU was a convenient target, an hysteria fanned by people who have dark motives. Tis true that not all people who voted Brexit are racists, but you can be sure that all racists voted for Brexit. Philip Pullman made this interesting observation: When a clearly clever man like Michael Gove supports the nonsensical and stupid, then you can be sure he is after something. Sadly, I believe that the map of the voting pattern showed Turkeys voting for Christmas. Deceived by flag waving nationalism, a decrying of the academics and blaming "foreigners". Members of my family died in two wars to prevent this, 1930's anyone? It doesn't matter to me, I am 64 and financially settled. But my kids and grandkids? I feel sick. Disgusted. Whilst I don't agree with your view, at least you put it across in a clear and passionate manner. What I would say though is this. Why have the EU called a meeting of the other leaders today? It's because they know that there is a danger of others following our lead. That therefore means that whatever issues people like you and me may have, it is clearly an issue for other countries as well. It seems the Dutch are now considering a referendum, as are the Danes. Whatever may may be right or wrong about our political system, at least we can now get rid of them. Is this the meeting of the 'original' 6 members or the other meeting where the 'original' 6 members are going to allow the other 21 to attend? Europe is as fractured as Oldie seems to believe the UK is. We are in my view well rid of a corrupt failing organisation that is failing to keep pace with many other parts of the world. Of course we have also learn't that racism is bad but agism is good. Like Oldie I'm also financially secure but will probably lose financially over my life because of this decision a prospect I was fully aware when I voted Leave. But I voted for the future of this country over my own personal interests. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 23, 2016 16:13:17 GMT
Wages but no stadium. A swansea fan i know said the stadium is a massive factor in their success Swansea got to the Prem through a combination of good Management, the impetus of the new Stadium and a decent amount of investment on the field but without throwing cash around. They arrived at a good time with Premiership funding rocketing and have generally worked with the funds they received and by selling a few players like Joe Allen, Wilfred Bony and Ben Davies for extraordinary amounts of money. The Stadium certainly helped big time but it was just part of the story. And, I believe, only having to pay £100K a year for the use of that stadium |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 23, 2016 10:12:27 GMT
I hope the shirts are better quality than the Swiss shirts vs France which ripped very easily. Puma made those I think. I doubt Puma made them but lets hope Macrons shirts don't come from the same sweatshop, err sorry factory |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 19, 2016 11:08:39 GMT
Have you been attending enough meetings to keep your membership up to date? I'm a regular. I have gone drinking in Gloucester Road every single time we have won promotion in Bristol in my lifetime. Pah, you're just a glory drinker....... |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 19, 2016 11:01:00 GMT
Ha, ha got to love how you've got people biting on this. In all seriousness though very few people on this forum would join an organisation they will however complain about how other people run those organisations, repeatedly. I'm in the Gloucester Road Drinkers Association. Have you been attending enough meetings to keep your membership up to date? |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 19, 2016 9:30:12 GMT
Ha, ha got to love how you've got people biting on this. In all seriousness though very few people on this forum would join an organisation they will however complain about how other people run those organisations, repeatedly.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 17, 2016 14:27:37 GMT
Ha,ha well done wcg you've caught a few there.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 16, 2016 21:02:24 GMT
No, but if they markedly and consistently lower than the "normal" early games in that competition (is that even possible?) then it may just send a message. We shall see. It may be a clearer message just to ignore the competition, which is what I'll be doing. I'm with you shan't be watching any game before the final |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 16, 2016 20:05:20 GMT
I'm fascinated how you can be team mates when you have never played together before. Clarke left Hartlepool in May 2007, Hartley signed for Hartlepool in May 2009. Rarely can I agree with you but are people now believing what the EP posts as ' facts'. Oh dear me. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 15, 2016 13:20:29 GMT
Not much in it between "Uncle Joe" and dog loving and vegetarian Adolf. Both equally as evil as one another. what about the Ottoman empire's (Turkey) genocide of up to 1.5 million Armenian's? Our perspective new EU cousins deny any involvement in genocide, which hopefully will prevent their accession to the EU regardless of the upcoming vote to Leave. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 12, 2016 17:33:46 GMT
And what did you do except sit on your ass slagging people off and I think your tunnel vision clouds your judgement I was right with what I said about Sainsbury's and the contract though, wasn't I? Really? You said the original judge would never allow the appeal to be heard. But you do have a very selective memory. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 12, 2016 11:37:48 GMT
I wonder how long it will be before people stop living in the past?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 10, 2016 10:57:55 GMT
Seems from this thread Steve Hamer is as out of touch with the fans views as Jim Chappell was with his Jottings. Wonder if Steve Hamer asked any fans their views on this before talking in his position as Chairman of BRFC?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 9, 2016 16:37:21 GMT
I'd be hoping for a big club in the 3rd round |
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, and isn't it odd that Farage has talked about people pulling together, yet before the vote he said he would have contested any close result!
