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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 2, 2021 18:41:49 GMT
I presume that’s aimed at JB because Morecambe were no more guilty of gamesmanship than Newport. The penalty was a clip and they’re given every week as a pen. And I’m not sure you’re right over the contention that if you overdo gamesmanship you will lose all the neutrals and football community.....Wycombe have been time-wasting for years and it’s been a big part of how they wind up opposing fans and teams and have managed to punch above their weight. Yet the neutrals all love little old Wycombe as do the TV and all the pundits and they have constructed the narrative about how little they are and how they are always the underdogs. Yet they waste time, wind other teams and players up and have done for many years. UTG! I agree, people won't dislike us for our style of play, they will dislike us for our choice of manager. If we are winning and getting out of league 2, I think the vast majority on here will not care, me included.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 20:40:45 GMT
I agree, people won't dislike us for our style of play, they will dislike us for our choice of manager. If we are winning and getting out of league 2, I think the vast majority on here will not care, me included. I thought we we were talking about opposition supporters, you appear to be talking about yourself. When B***** was the manager of Fleetwood our supporters were calling him scum and a disgrace to football. Well, he took us into League 2 so hopefully he can take us back to where we were before he arrived, if he gets the chance.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 2, 2021 21:09:20 GMT
If we are winning and getting out of league 2, I think the vast majority on here will not care, me included. I thought we we were talking about opposition supporters, you appear to be talking about yourself. When B***** was the manager of Fleetwood our supporters were calling him scum and a disgrace to football. Well, he took us into League 2 so hopefully he can take us back to where we were before he arrived, if he gets the chance. Yes I'm talking about the Rovers faithful. Don't delude yourself, most Opposition supporters think about us very little and in the main the majority see us as a friendly not so successful underdog with loyal support. Very romantic. I think most of us would like to see success and if the odd opposition supporter end up disliking us for that who cares. Also I don't buy that everyone dislikes us because JB is manager. Yes he's marmite, but we have not employed him to be liked by opposition fans. But everyone to their own and I will leave you to your romantic vision.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 21:21:53 GMT
I thought we we were talking about opposition supporters, you appear to be talking about yourself. When B***** was the manager of Fleetwood our supporters were calling him scum and a disgrace to football. Well, he took us into League 2 so hopefully he can take us back to where we were before he arrived, if he gets the chance. Yes I'm talking about the Rovers faithful. Don't delude yourself, most Opposition supporters think about us very little and in the main the majority see us as a friendly not so successful underdog with loyal support. Very romantic. I think most of us would like to see success and if the odd opposition supporter end up disliking us for that who cares. Also I don't buy that everyone dislikes us because JB is manager. Yes he's marmite, but we have not employed him to be liked by opposition fans. But everyone to their own and I will leave you to your romantic vision. I am far from deluded about Bristol Rovers. We are a basket case and I accepted that years ago therefore I have no romantic vision. The only vision I currently hold is seeing the back of Joseph B*****, whichever way it happens.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 2, 2021 21:39:36 GMT
Yes I'm talking about the Rovers faithful. Don't delude yourself, most Opposition supporters think about us very little and in the main the majority see us as a friendly not so successful underdog with loyal support. Very romantic. I think most of us would like to see success and if the odd opposition supporter end up disliking us for that who cares. Also I don't buy that everyone dislikes us because JB is manager. Yes he's marmite, but we have not employed him to be liked by opposition fans. But everyone to their own and I will leave you to your romantic vision. I am far from deluded about Bristol Rovers. We are a basket case and I accepted that years ago therefore I have no romantic vision. The only vision I currently hold is seeing the back of Joseph B*****, whichever way it happens. Well hopefully it's after he's been poached by a Championship club after taking us back to league 1. Now I'm being romantic, but at least we will both be happy.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jun 3, 2021 11:25:39 GMT
We have moved on from merely not liking Joey because he’s a thug and embarrassing, the focus is all on B*****’s football management abilities now.
You can’t try to reason without objectivity - we have the objectivity, we have seen the manager in action, lack of motivation of team by ruling through too much fear not enough love, no club spirit by criticising others in public, inability to blame himself when the bad result was his mistakes that was regularly not matching up formation and mistakes in just about every substitution he made, poor judge of player and his best position, pegs in wrong shaped holes, not watching the same game we are so not reacting quickly enough when he is being out thought, sulking when he should have been leading,
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 3, 2021 12:07:29 GMT
We have moved on from merely not liking Joey because he’s a thug and embarrassing, the focus is all on B*****’s football management abilities now. You can’t try to reason without objectivity - we have the objectivity, we have seen the manager in action, lack of motivation of team by ruling through too much fear not enough love, no club spirit by criticising others in public, inability to blame himself when the bad result was his mistakes that was regularly not matching up formation and mistakes in just about every substitution he made, poor judge of player and his best position, pegs in wrong shaped holes, not watching the same game we are so not reacting quickly enough when he is being out thought, sulking when he should have been leading, Not sure I agree with your definition of objectivity. I agree with some of your sentiments and wish he would not be so critical of the team in public. However, the time to judge him will be in six months after this window, when it's his team. We all knew he was dealt a poor hand with the players in front of him. The thing that angers me most is Tisdale/Widdrington who knew that also, but did nothing about it. Look what Jimmy-Floyd did at Burton. So in 6 months let's see where we are. The players he's brought into to date looks promising and the ones he's released is difficult to argue with. Writing him off now seems bias to me, and totally opposite to what we gave Garner. If I'm wrong I wil hold my hands up, but even then, I believe all people deserve a fair crack of the whip to see if they can succeed.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 3, 2021 18:01:07 GMT
We have moved on from merely not liking Joey because he’s a thug and embarrassing, the focus is all on B*****’s football management abilities now. You can’t try to reason without objectivity - we have the objectivity, we have seen the manager in action, lack of motivation of team by ruling through too much fear not enough love, no club spirit by criticising others in public, inability to blame himself when the bad result was his mistakes that was regularly not matching up formation and mistakes in just about every substitution he made, poor judge of player and his best position, pegs in wrong shaped holes, not watching the same game we are so not reacting quickly enough when he is being out thought, sulking when he should have been leading, Not sure I agree with your definition of objectivity. I agree with some of your sentiments and wish he would not be so critical of the team in public. However, the time to judge him will be in six months after this window, when it's his team. We all knew he was dealt a poor hand with the players in front of him. The thing that angers me most is Tisdale/Widdrington who knew that also, but did nothing about it. Look what Jimmy-Floyd did at Burton. So in 6 months let's see where we are. The players he's brought into to date looks promising and the ones he's released is difficult to argue with. Writing him off now seems bias to me, and totally opposite to what we gave Garner. If I'm wrong I wil hold my hands up, but even then, I believe all people deserve a fair crack of the whip to see if they can succeed. Tis did great prior to the lockdown. Who knows what could have been if we had carried on and with some forward momentum
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 3, 2021 19:29:22 GMT
Not sure I agree with your definition of objectivity. I agree with some of your sentiments and wish he would not be so critical of the team in public. However, the time to judge him will be in six months after this window, when it's his team. We all knew he was dealt a poor hand with the players in front of him. The thing that angers me most is Tisdale/Widdrington who knew that also, but did nothing about it. Look what Jimmy-Floyd did at Burton. So in 6 months let's see where we are. The players he's brought into to date looks promising and the ones he's released is difficult to argue with. Writing him off now seems bias to me, and totally opposite to what we gave Garner. If I'm wrong I wil hold my hands up, but even then, I believe all people deserve a fair crack of the whip to see if they can succeed. Tis did great prior to the lockdown. Who knows what could have been if we had carried on and with some forward momentum Maybe true, but was a disaster after and wasted a transfer window. For that he will not be forgotten.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 3, 2021 22:32:10 GMT
Tis did great prior to the lockdown. Who knows what could have been if we had carried on and with some forward momentum Maybe true, but was a disaster after and wasted a transfer window. For that he will not be forgotten. I’ve put it in the waste bin. I think Tisdale was put in a very poor situation where he was being openly undermined
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Post by chelt_gas on Jun 4, 2021 6:20:30 GMT
Maybe true, but was a disaster after and wasted a transfer window. For that he will not be forgotten. I’ve put it in the waste bin. I think Tisdale was put in a very poor situation where he was being openly undermined Agree. I think Tisdale would have been ok with a preseason but a change in manager mid season, during the Covid calamity, really needed someone with a very special set of skills to get a low-skilled team playing and to parachute a few new players. I would have still chosen Holloway or Cotterill. Definitely not Dolly B*****. Who thinks we'll have the worst disciplinary record next season?
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Post by baselswh on Jun 4, 2021 6:44:20 GMT
I’ve put it in the waste bin. I think Tisdale was put in a very poor situation where he was being openly undermined Agree. I think Tisdale would have been ok with a preseason but a change in manager mid season, during the Covid calamity, really needed someone with a very special set of skills to get a low-skilled team playing and to parachute a few new players. I would have still chosen Holloway or Cotterill. Definitely not Dolly B*****. Who thinks we'll have the worst disciplinary record next season? Hope life is good down under Chelts. Haha! You like a bet,I'll happily bet we do not finish bottom of the 3rd tier disciplinary table. £100 I'll go higher if you fancy.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jun 4, 2021 7:26:29 GMT
Agree. I think Tisdale would have been ok with a preseason but a change in manager mid season, during the Covid calamity, really needed someone with a very special set of skills to get a low-skilled team playing and to parachute a few new players. I would have still chosen Holloway or Cotterill. Definitely not Dolly B*****. Who thinks we'll have the worst disciplinary record next season? Hope life is good down under Chelts. Haha! You like a bet,I'll happily bet we do not finish bottom of the 3rd tier disciplinary table. £100 I'll go higher if you fancy. I do love a bet. But those odds are stinking. How about if Rovers don’t finish top you’ll donate £100 If Rovers don’t finish bottom of the disciplinary table then I’ll donate £100 If you win I’ll also publicly say you are right, which will be really really hard for me. Life is good bar the funny tasting Aussie meat. You wait till this trade deal kicks in and you see the size of the chicken breasts that we’ll export. Hope all is good down there, you’re lucky to have scotch eggs and Timothy Taylor’s
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 4, 2021 11:41:20 GMT
Agree. I think Tisdale would have been ok with a preseason but a change in manager mid season, during the Covid calamity, really needed someone with a very special set of skills to get a low-skilled team playing and to parachute a few new players. I would have still chosen Holloway or Cotterill. Definitely not Dolly B*****. Who thinks we'll have the worst disciplinary record next season? Hope life is good down under Chelts. Haha! You like a bet,I'll happily bet we do not finish bottom of the 3rd tier disciplinary table. £100 I'll go higher if you fancy. Hi Basel - it would appear you like the concept of betting and putting your money where your mouth is. Me too. Let me make a proposal to you. Rovers are currently (best odds) 11-1 to win League 2, they are as tight as 8-1 (Skybet). I'll give you 12-1. All you have to do is to match the best odds for Rovers relegation (when they come out). Relegation odds are not out yet as we don't know who will gain promotion along with Sutton Utd. Though oddly enough bookies are happy to give odds on the League 2 winner. I guess the conclusion is that whoever gets promoted with Sutton has little chance of promotion, but has a decent chance of relegation. We should limit the amount of pain of either outcome - so I suggest a £500 limit. ie You have £41.67 on Rovers winning the title @12-1. £500 potential profit. I honestly have no idea what the odds of Rovers getting relegated will be. So I have (say) £20 on Rovers getting relegated @ 25-1. £500 potential profit. or (say) £10 on Rovers getting relegated @ 50-1. £500 potential profit. or (say) £5 on Rovers getting relegated @100-1. £500 potential profit. Tell you what - either bet comes in and the winner donates £50 to charity. So Rovers don't win the title and don't get relegated - nothing happens. Deal, or No Deal?
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Post by baselswh on Jun 4, 2021 15:17:54 GMT
Hope life is good down under Chelts. Haha! You like a bet,I'll happily bet we do not finish bottom of the 3rd tier disciplinary table. £100 I'll go higher if you fancy. I do love a bet. But those odds are stinking. How about if Rovers don’t finish top you’ll donate £100 If Rovers don’t finish bottom of the disciplinary table then I’ll donate £100 If you win I’ll also publicly say you are right, which will be really really hard for me. Life is good bar the funny tasting Aussie meat. You wait till this trade deal kicks in and you see the size of the chicken breasts that we’ll export. Hope all is good down there, you’re lucky to have scotch eggs and Timothy Taylor’s Your offer also whiffs somewhat,so I'll decline thanks. Sounds 'fowl' that meat! I wish I could go vegetarian,but can't manage it.Yet.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 6, 2021 11:11:13 GMT
Hope life is good down under Chelts. Haha! You like a bet,I'll happily bet we do not finish bottom of the 3rd tier disciplinary table. £100 I'll go higher if you fancy. Hi Basel - it would appear you like the concept of betting and putting your money where your mouth is. Me too. Let me make a proposal to you. Rovers are currently (best odds) 11-1 to win League 2, they are as tight as 8-1 (Skybet). I'll give you 12-1. All you have to do is to match the best odds for Rovers relegation (when they come out). Relegation odds are not out yet as we don't know who will gain promotion along with Sutton Utd. Though oddly enough bookies are happy to give odds on the League 2 winner. I guess the conclusion is that whoever gets promoted with Sutton has little chance of promotion, but has a decent chance of relegation. We should limit the amount of pain of either outcome - so I suggest a £500 limit. ie You have £41.67 on Rovers winning the title @12-1. £500 potential profit. I honestly have no idea what the odds of Rovers getting relegated will be. So I have (say) £20 on Rovers getting relegated @ 25-1. £500 potential profit. or (say) £10 on Rovers getting relegated @ 50-1. £500 potential profit. or (say) £5 on Rovers getting relegated @100-1. £500 potential profit. Tell you what - either bet comes in and the winner donates £50 to charity. So Rovers don't win the title and don't get relegated - nothing happens. Deal, or No Deal? basel baselswh £50 goes to charity should either person win. Deal, or No Deal?
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Post by baselswh on Jun 6, 2021 11:29:01 GMT
Hi Basel - it would appear you like the concept of betting and putting your money where your mouth is. Me too. Let me make a proposal to you. Rovers are currently (best odds) 11-1 to win League 2, they are as tight as 8-1 (Skybet). I'll give you 12-1. All you have to do is to match the best odds for Rovers relegation (when they come out). Relegation odds are not out yet as we don't know who will gain promotion along with Sutton Utd. Though oddly enough bookies are happy to give odds on the League 2 winner. I guess the conclusion is that whoever gets promoted with Sutton has little chance of promotion, but has a decent chance of relegation. We should limit the amount of pain of either outcome - so I suggest a £500 limit. ie You have £41.67 on Rovers winning the title @12-1. £500 potential profit. I honestly have no idea what the odds of Rovers getting relegated will be. So I have (say) £20 on Rovers getting relegated @ 25-1. £500 potential profit. or (say) £10 on Rovers getting relegated @ 50-1. £500 potential profit. or (say) £5 on Rovers getting relegated @100-1. £500 potential profit. Tell you what - either bet comes in and the winner donates £50 to charity. So Rovers don't win the title and don't get relegated - nothing happens. Deal, or No Deal? basel baselswh £50 goes to charity should either person win. Deal, or No Deal? Sorry for not responding Epping. No thanks concerning the offer. Maybe more suggestions to come as the Summer progresses. Eg,I've stated a few times I think Rovers will "challenge " next season.So that suggests we'll be in the running for a top ten place. Others have said they fear under B***** we'll struggle. So eg,a straight bet (no odds),i would say Rovers finish within the top ten (a 'challenging ' position) and any B***** doubter would say Rovers to finish 11th or lower. I'm waiting a wee bit before offering that one up.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 7, 2021 8:47:17 GMT
Fair enough Basel... Just FYI Skybet have Rovers 10-11 to finish in the top 7...
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Post by baselswh on Jun 7, 2021 10:42:55 GMT
Fair enough Basel... Just FYI Skybet have Rovers 10-11 to finish in the top 7... Bookies fancy us to challenge too then.
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