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Jun 1, 2021 12:50:18 GMT
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Post by crater on Jun 1, 2021 12:50:18 GMT
After finishing bottom of the pile I doubt there's too many of the rose tinted persuasion right now... Personally, I take the old fashioned approach of watching a player player 7 or 8 times before I give my considered opinion on his attributes or otherwise
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Post by Angas on Jun 1, 2021 13:24:09 GMT
Absolutely this!
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Jun 1, 2021 16:26:06 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jun 1, 2021 16:26:06 GMT
In the scenario Abu is fit,then yes,a good signing. Let's win the midfield battles! Edit.He would be another former Captain (Shrewsbury I think) and leader type. You don’t mean great signing because a former Captain in the same way as Emmer? 😆 Ogogo picked up a whole sequence of MoM for us when fit. His game was quickly closing yards to opponent and taking ball off him. Turnover king. But it was so much dependent on that match fitness to close the yards, even when Captain salop in their great season, he only managed 30 games. It’s true, we are in agreement The New Experiment under Garner and Tommy lacked an experience spine and streetwise nature. Some of our more credible performance was when we owned midfield, Posh away for example, and Ogogo and Grant worked in tandem in front a back 4. But let’s not confuse experience and streetwise with gamesmanship and cheating. Like a manager telling his players to go down easy around and in a box. We all want to win every single one of us, the sectarianism comes when some of us want to win the right way; which is what enjoyable football is actually all about. As I said,if fit,a decent signing. Win the midfield battle.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jun 1, 2021 17:13:58 GMT
You don’t mean great signing because a former Captain in the same way as Emmer? 😆 Ogogo picked up a whole sequence of MoM for us when fit. His game was quickly closing yards to opponent and taking ball off him. Turnover king. But it was so much dependent on that match fitness to close the yards, even when Captain salop in their great season, he only managed 30 games. It’s true, we are in agreement The New Experiment under Garner and Tommy lacked an experience spine and streetwise nature. Some of our more credible performance was when we owned midfield, Posh away for example, and Ogogo and Grant worked in tandem in front a back 4. But let’s not confuse experience and streetwise with gamesmanship and cheating. Like a manager telling his players to go down easy around and in a box. We all want to win every single one of us, the sectarianism comes when some of us want to win the right way; which is what enjoyable football is actually all about. As I said,if fit,a decent signing. Win the midfield battle. The gallery can go with your other dreamt up points. Let me dream up another. regardless of streetwise experience of midfielder you can call on, losing the midfield battle by continually leaving it out gunned is exactly how Joey took us to the bottom isn’t it? Under this owner and his crew the DNA plan has wildly lurched from one extreme of DNA to the opposite. When you see something wrong you do something about it, you could argue, but at any point has any thought gone into the value set you want from your DNA, this flip flop asks does it not?
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Jun 1, 2021 17:31:35 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jun 1, 2021 17:31:35 GMT
As I said,if fit,a decent signing. Win the midfield battle. The gallery can go with your other dreamt up points. Let me dream up another. regardless of streetwise experience of midfielder you can call on, losing the midfield battle by continually leaving it out gunned is exactly how Joey took us to the bottom isn’t it? Under this owner and his crew the DNA plan has wildly lurched from one extreme of DNA to the opposite. When you see something wrong you do something about it, you could argue, but at any point has any thought gone into the value set you want from your DNA, this flip flop asks does it not? I enjoyed GCs football eg.I think JBs style will be similar. As for Rovers DNA,well it needs tweaking towards winning. Demanding 'beautiful' football is all very well and good,but I want us promoted as soon as possible and not forgetting, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Accusations of next seasons team (next season, you've not even seen them) being cheats is quite hysterical.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jun 1, 2021 18:41:38 GMT
Let me dream up another. regardless of streetwise experience of midfielder you can call on, losing the midfield battle by continually leaving it out gunned is exactly how Joey took us to the bottom isn’t it? Under this owner and his crew the DNA plan has wildly lurched from one extreme of DNA to the opposite. When you see something wrong you do something about it, you could argue, but at any point has any thought gone into the value set you want from your DNA, this flip flop asks does it not? I enjoyed GCs football eg.I think JBs style will be similar. As for Rovers DNA,well it needs tweaking towards winning. Demanding 'beautiful' football is all very well and good,but I want us promoted as soon as possible and not forgetting, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Accusations of next seasons team (next season, you've not even seen them) being cheats is quite hysterical. Sorry Bas, teams generally take after their managers. B***** was never a footballer, just a nasty basta*rd who roamed around midfield causing trouble and starting pub brawls all over the place. Now he thinks he's a genius manager just because he's boxed at the top level. Our 'football' will mirror this next season. I hope you find it beautiful.
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Post by crater on Jun 1, 2021 20:09:26 GMT
I doubt any Morecambe fans give a flying their bloke 'won' them the penalty yesterday that got them promoted
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jun 1, 2021 21:02:29 GMT
I doubt any Morecambe fans give a flying their bloke 'won' them the penalty yesterday that got them promoted maybe not, but if you overdo the gamesmanship for success you will lose all the neutrals and football community, and end up with the sort of reputation in the game that’s like... um... just like Joey B*****’s actually. Actually I agree with Bas, it don’t take much analysis of the side Tommy and Ben put together to suspect they just weren’t streetwise enough off the ball, brave enough on it. Some of them could with experience become good players, but you couldn’t sense last season they believed it individually, or as a collective, or took the field believing all games winnable and today’s their day. So yeah, I agree the direction it needs to go in to strike the right balance, especially the spine of the side. and yes, we can’t know for sure what type of team character we will have next season, and that it’s properly balanced and can go unbeaten until we have seen it, but to nail down the top 3 or even top 7 it’s going to have to play fair bit of football too, as well as the new found spine and belief.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 1, 2021 22:14:34 GMT
I enjoyed GCs football eg.I think JBs style will be similar. As for Rovers DNA,well it needs tweaking towards winning. Demanding 'beautiful' football is all very well and good,but I want us promoted as soon as possible and not forgetting, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Accusations of next seasons team (next season, you've not even seen them) being cheats is quite hysterical. Sorry Bas, teams generally take after their managers. B***** was never a footballer, just a nasty basta*rd who roamed around midfield causing trouble and starting pub brawls all over the place. Now he thinks he's a genius manager just because he's boxed at the top level. Our 'football' will mirror this next season. I hope you find it beautiful. Again, absolute rubbish, people complain about us rose tinters, but you guys are absolutely blind with hate. B***** was bites your leg type of player but could also thread a pass and keep the momentum. There's a difference between a clogger and this type of player. Just ask a Billy Bremner or Nobby Stiles.... Thought those might be more your era....
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 1, 2021 22:25:24 GMT
As I said,if fit,a decent signing. Win the midfield battle. The gallery can go with your other dreamt up points. Let me dream up another. regardless of streetwise experience of midfielder you can call on, losing the midfield battle by continually leaving it out gunned is exactly how Joey took us to the bottom isn’t it? Under this owner and his crew the DNA plan has wildly lurched from one extreme of DNA to the opposite. When you see something wrong you do something about it, you could argue, but at any point has any thought gone into the value set you want from your DNA, this flip flop asks does it not? JB did not leave us outgunned. You can thank Garner and then Tisdale for compounding the error. Also have you watched Fleetwood at all? Probably not. I have had the the pleasure as a friend is a life long supporter and for the majority of Bartons tenur they played high press on the ground football. But let's not let facts get in the way of good old grump.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 1, 2021 22:40:17 GMT
Who said it failed, you. The two players in question are definitely not cloggers, and have a lot of finesse about them as well as willing to get stuck in. Surprised to get Finley in league 2. If he delivers to his potential could be one of the best players in the league, but ah yes, Joey signed him, so must be a clogger. Time to get behind the lads instead of this incessant snipping. “Who said it failed, you.‘ yes Sherlock, I am saying it. look at the money spent there in short time, look where they are now, look how they were hated for not playing football just gamesmanship, look at the violence that went on to end it all. you should be acknowledging both the Fleetwood failure, and all the mistakes B***** made at Rovers to take us down. I'm Holmes actually not Sherlock, but your detective work is pretty poor... Fleetwood were not hated and actually played a high press passing style of football. Yes like all teams they played the ref, but so did we under GC, and to a lesser degree under DC. Garners youngsters was just to nieve, with no direction or leadership so no surprise we got pummelled in league 1. Maybe being a bit more street wise might just help us out in league 2, with a bit of football finesse and the basics done correctly, could be a recipe for success.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jun 1, 2021 23:00:51 GMT
Let me dream up another. regardless of streetwise experience of midfielder you can call on, losing the midfield battle by continually leaving it out gunned is exactly how Joey took us to the bottom isn’t it? Under this owner and his crew the DNA plan has wildly lurched from one extreme of DNA to the opposite. When you see something wrong you do something about it, you could argue, but at any point has any thought gone into the value set you want from your DNA, this flip flop asks does it not? JB did not leave us outgunned. You can thank Garner and then Tisdale for compounding the error. Also have you watched Fleetwood at all? Probably not. I have had the the pleasure as a friend is a life long supporter and for the majority of Bartons tenur they played high press on the ground football. But let's not let facts get in the way of good old grump. Nope. Fact is Joey left us outgunned in midfield and inviting pressure on our defence that’s how his 5 3 2 formation and tactic took us to the bottom. Fact is no high press to be seen game after game of his Rovers tenure so far - which might actually be justifiable if your defenders lack pace as badly as ours and turn like ocean liners the high defensive line would be a bad tactic. You can dispute these two, as part enjoyment of football is about opinions and different observations. The facts of his management record don’t look good anywhere. You can’t really dispute that?
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Post by crater on Jun 2, 2021 6:27:02 GMT
B***** was never going to be a Ballon D'Or winner but he was a better player than given credit for by 1 or 2 on this forum. He played alot and top flight football and under alot of different managers, who kept picking him so they obviously rated what he could do. I look forward to watching a 'B***** team' next season who will at the very least have a strong work ethic and a desire to win
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jun 2, 2021 9:32:59 GMT
Sorry Bas, teams generally take after their managers. B***** was never a footballer, just a nasty basta*rd who roamed around midfield causing trouble and starting pub brawls all over the place. Now he thinks he's a genius manager just because he's boxed at the top level. Our 'football' will mirror this next season. I hope you find it beautiful. Again, absolute rubbish, people complain about us rose tinters, but you guys are absolutely blind with hate. B***** was bites your leg type of player but could also thread a pass and keep the momentum. There's a difference between a clogger and this type of player. Just ask a Billy Bremner or Nobby Stiles.... Thought those might be more your era.... #it'sagreyhairedoldcodger'sgametoo so less of the ageism! :-) Stiles was a hard case, but not nasty with it like B***** and Bremner. These kind of players just lose it totally. Stiles made up for his lack of silky skills by getting tackles in all over the park, usually with a toothless grin on his face. I never liked Bremner because of that nasty streak, but he was a far better all-round midfielder than B***** ever was.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jun 2, 2021 9:58:19 GMT
B***** was never going to be a Ballon D'Or winner but he was a better player than given credit for by 1 or 2 on this forum. He played alot and top flight football and under alot of different managers, who kept picking him so they obviously rated what he could do. I look forward to watching a 'B***** team' next season who will at the very least have a strong work ethic and a desire to win “I look forward to watching a 'B***** team' next season who will at the very least have a strong work ethic and a desire to win” That’s not good enough though. That’s the whole point. The reason B***** has been a failure in management so far. And football fans with the “show some desire you lazy **** and play for the shirt” are really the worst fans and shouldn’t be allowed in stadiums. The unbeaten reference i made above is successful sides put unbeaten runs together, they play their best stuff with that momentum, have their best belief on it. We can criticise the forwards here for lack of goals, we can criticise players for what appears lack of work ethic and desire to win, but there wasn’t much creativity laying it on for them to mess up. Successful sides create and score, and go on runs, and look better for it, as well as have Jessica Ennis game face. So that is the key difference it actually needs to be very different next season creating, scoring.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jun 2, 2021 13:05:02 GMT
🤝 The Club is delighted to announce agreements have been reached to keep a number of up and coming prospects at the Mem. 5⃣ Five players have signed new deals - with Kinsly Murray, Sam Heal, Joe Budd, Lucas Tomlinson and Ollie Hulbert putting pen to paper.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 2, 2021 15:02:09 GMT
I doubt any Morecambe fans give a flying their bloke 'won' them the penalty yesterday that got them promoted maybe not, but if you overdo the gamesmanship for success you will lose all the neutrals and football community, and end up with the sort of reputation in the game that’s like... um... just like Joey B*****’s actually. Actually I agree with Bas, it don’t take much analysis of the side Tommy and Ben put together to suspect they just weren’t streetwise enough off the ball, brave enough on it. Some of them could with experience become good players, but you couldn’t sense last season they believed it individually, or as a collective, or took the field believing all games winnable and today’s their day. So yeah, I agree the direction it needs to go in to strike the right balance, especially the spine of the side. and yes, we can’t know for sure what type of team character we will have next season, and that it’s properly balanced and can go unbeaten until we have seen it, but to nail down the top 3 or even top 7 it’s going to have to play fair bit of football too, as well as the new found spine and belief. I presume that’s aimed at JB because Morecambe were no more guilty of gamesmanship than Newport. The penalty was a clip and they’re given every week as a pen. And I’m not sure you’re right over the contention that if you overdo gamesmanship you will lose all the neutrals and football community.....Wycombe have been time-wasting for years and it’s been a big part of how they wind up opposing fans and teams and have managed to punch above their weight. Yet the neutrals all love little old Wycombe as do the TV and all the pundits and they have constructed the narrative about how little they are and how they are always the underdogs. Yet they waste time, wind other teams and players up and have done for many years. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 15:18:43 GMT
maybe not, but if you overdo the gamesmanship for success you will lose all the neutrals and football community, and end up with the sort of reputation in the game that’s like... um... just like Joey B*****’s actually. Actually I agree with Bas, it don’t take much analysis of the side Tommy and Ben put together to suspect they just weren’t streetwise enough off the ball, brave enough on it. Some of them could with experience become good players, but you couldn’t sense last season they believed it individually, or as a collective, or took the field believing all games winnable and today’s their day. So yeah, I agree the direction it needs to go in to strike the right balance, especially the spine of the side. and yes, we can’t know for sure what type of team character we will have next season, and that it’s properly balanced and can go unbeaten until we have seen it, but to nail down the top 3 or even top 7 it’s going to have to play fair bit of football too, as well as the new found spine and belief. I presume that’s aimed at JB because Morecambe were no more guilty of gamesmanship than Newport. The penalty was a clip and they’re given every week as a pen. And I’m not sure you’re right over the contention that if you overdo gamesmanship you will lose all the neutrals and football community.....Wycombe have been time-wasting for years and it’s been a big part of how they wind up opposing fans and teams and have managed to punch above their weight. Yet the neutrals all love little old Wycombe as do the TV and all the pundits and they have constructed the narrative about how little they are and how they are always the underdogs. Yet they waste time, wind other teams and players up and have done for many years. UTG! I agree, people won't dislike us for our style of play, they will dislike us for our choice of manager.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 2, 2021 17:09:42 GMT
In what form does this dislike of Rovers - because of Joey B***** - take please?
A refusal to do transfer business eg?
Non attendance from fans when their team plays Rovers?
I see Joey can be a pantomime villain,one to boo and jeer,but no more.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 2, 2021 18:39:57 GMT
Again, absolute rubbish, people complain about us rose tinters, but you guys are absolutely blind with hate. B***** was bites your leg type of player but could also thread a pass and keep the momentum. There's a difference between a clogger and this type of player. Just ask a Billy Bremner or Nobby Stiles.... Thought those might be more your era.... #it'sagreyhairedoldcodger'sgametoo so less of the ageism! :-) Stiles was a hard case, but not nasty with it like B***** and Bremner. These kind of players just lose it totally. Stiles made up for his lack of silky skills by getting tackles in all over the park, usually with a toothless grin on his face. I never liked Bremner because of that nasty streak, but he was a far better all-round midfielder than B***** ever was. Don't worry I'm old enough to remember Bremner well, though Stiles I only saw a little. Agree Bremner was better than JB, but you don't get to play in the Premiership, if you don't have some thing about you, so he does have some pedigree thus let's see what happen next season before we right him off. Anyway if the sooth-sayers on here are right you guys won't need to worry after June 7th. That will be opportunity lost if that does happen, so looking forward to seeing that put behind us.
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