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Post by droitwichgas on May 4, 2021 18:41:06 GMT
Hiding behind excuses doesn't solve problems it makes them worse. Wael told us over five years ago that we needed a new stadium because the Mem was completely unfit for purpose and it still is today. But you seem to be saying that the lovely green pitch on which we lost a record number of home games and some flashy digital advertising makes up for that so we shouldn't be complaining. The training ground is not coming along nicely at all. Didn't you read there was a "cock up" over the size of the club house and now it's just been finished it will have to be partially knocked down and rebuilt if the planners give their consent. Where will the players be changing, showering and having team meetings on June 26th ?The communication via Wael's open letters seem to mainly consist of a plea for us to be grateful to him. When you accuse me of having an agenda, trying to discredit Wael, sh*t stirring, being bitter etc it says more about you than me. I think you are judging me by your own standards and cannot accept that I, like many other Gasheads, want to see a better Bristol Rovers and won't be silenced by those whose loyalty is more to the owner than to the football club. You seem obsessed by the Supporters Club and Presidents club so I wonder where you stood when those organizations were circling their waggons to protect Nick Higgs and slapping down any dissent as he went blundering on. Many of us on this forum were as highly critical of Nick Higgs then as we are of Wael today because we put Bristol Rovers first. With the training ground, my understanding is we were always going to change the size and shape of the clubhouse. The idea being to erect a skeleton of a building (it was no way near finished) to the footprint and plan of the existing permission, whilst submitting a new planning application to increase the size, shape and facilities within. What's confusing to me is why it took so long to put up, and why the new plans weren't submitted earlier - as you say, it is extremely unlikely to be fitted out ready for next season. Sorry but that sounds total nonsense, what is anybody going to gain spending £x building something to one set of plans, even going as far as putting the roof on, or at least the rafters, only to knock part of it down to rebuild it to a different design? My take on the issue is either PT or JB questioned what the club had already started building under BG's reign and got them to agree the recently submitted plans were far more preferable for a football training ground clubhouse.
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Post by The Concept on May 4, 2021 18:55:39 GMT
With the training ground, my understanding is we were always going to change the size and shape of the clubhouse. The idea being to erect a skeleton of a building (it was no way near finished) to the footprint and plan of the existing permission, whilst submitting a new planning application to increase the size, shape and facilities within. What's confusing to me is why it took so long to put up, and why the new plans weren't submitted earlier - as you say, it is extremely unlikely to be fitted out ready for next season. Sorry but that sounds total nonsense, what is anybody going to gain spending £x building something to one set of plans, even going as far as putting the roof on, or at least the rafters, only to knock part of it down to rebuild it to a different design? My take on the issue is either PT or JB questioned what the club had already started building under BG's reign and got them to agree the recently submitted plans were far more preferable for a football training ground clubhouse. Not total nonsense at all. I'd heard this long before PT or JB arrived on the scene. And back in the summer you had Wael waving a bit of paper at the Zoom meeting. The difference isn't that much - there's an addition of 2 new wings. If they'd already started fitting out inside then that would really be a cock-up, having seen the internal layouts Womble posted of original versus updated plans. But as far as I'm aware they'd got about as far as skimming the walls. If I'm wrong I take it back.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 18:55:46 GMT
Nice to have you back irenestoyboy . Could I ask. Was swiss banned from gaschat? If so, what rules did he break? You can tell me it's none of my business if you like. It's just as Admin I've been sorely tempted to ban people who I vehemently disagree with, but I respect freedom of speech. Been a bit of a break since March 12th. Surprised you have time to moderate gaschat and monitor this tiny forum of independent thought. Fair play to you. I don't always agree with swiss. But he is always measured and constructive in his criticism of Wael Al-Qadi. People who don't like what he has to say can come across as very rude. And they make personal insults, rather than valid points. It's almost as if they've been personally stung by the criticism. ITB does have personal contact with Wael, he has posted he even recommended Paul Cook for managers job. I find it very telling that these two posters come onto here when we are not towing the line or being unquestionable in our support. This leaves me in no doubt that this does get back to El Presidente. Make of that what you will.OH MY GOD ITS A CONSPIRACY !!!! Seems that anyone, I mean ANYONE, who has the sheer audacity to support the current ownership on this forum must be a plant from Wael. And whats more, its quite a few posters who seem to think it!!
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Post by axegas on May 4, 2021 19:08:14 GMT
You’ve presented plenty of evidence that Wael doesn’t have enough financial resources to take the club forward, what evidence is there that a) B***** even wants any stake in the club from a financial perspective and b) that he even has “associates” that have enough money to put into the club. This isn’t meant as a dig Swiss, I’m just genuinely curious, I’ve done plenty of research and not found any intent or wealth surrounding B***** from my side. I also think that your second sentence isn’t far off reality sadly enough. Higgs sold the club because he knew we were a leaky bucket in financial terms and that he would be unable to back DC without dipping significantly into his own personal funds. We got an owner who could, at least where these last 5 years are concerned, but perhaps at the cost of footballing savviness, as evidenced this season, maybe Wael can reverse this recent decline who knows. If you google Stephen Vaughan Chester City, Barrow and Bangor City you will see a track record of destroying clubs. B***** is in that circle and Stephen Vaughan Jnr was jailed for providing B*****’s best mate with a false alibi after he killed the policeman. Willie McKay, B*****’s long time associate, was involved with a failed experiment at Doncaster Rovers and has had close involvement with many other clubs. But this is probably just the tip of the iceberg because these “characters” are highly attracted to football clubs, they have the cash, and the main barrier stopping them getting in is the fit and proper person ownership test. If B***** is taking control at Rovers he will be in a position to help them gain a foothold. The route I’ve highlighted as a possibility is not conventional investment via a shareholding it is by loaning the club money to carry out B*****’s reset plan. As I said before, if Wael doesn’t want to fully back that plan he may use finance as an excuse and B***** will counter with “I can get you the finance”. I read somewhere that B***** is paying his own staff, and fans were saying how wonderful that was, but if it’s true it shows the door is already partly open. Once they are in and legally owed money, the cuckoo is in the nest, Wael is beholden to them and who knows what might happen. Is this scaremongering ? Would Wael fall for something like this ? Well you have to decide what to think. I’m only bringing it up because it happened to me in the early days of my career and I was naïve enough to accept money from a third party. Fortunately, when they tried to virtually take over the business, I was in a position to pay back the money and get them off my back but not without pain and anguish which could have been avoided. At the end of your post you say “maybe Wael will be able to reverse this recent decline, who knows ?” I accept the inevitable accusation of pomposity by saying this but hopefully you will take it in the right spirit. You cannot successfully run a business based on “maybe’s” and “who knows” or hoping for the best. With the “new philosophy” and Wael’s statement last June we thought we finally had the essence of a business plan in place. Now that’s been torn up and all the eggs seem to be placed in the B***** basket but no one can explain why they think he is the right man to restructure a football club and to me it looks as though, once again, we are “hoping for the best”. Thanks for taking the time to respond, I think it’s clear to see that you have the club’s best interests at heart Swiss, and to be honest with you there is probably a small if faint possibility that what you hypothesise could transpire. I can accept that having seen it all before, you’re not willing to take such possibilities to chance, so fair enough I can perfectly understand where you are coming from. What I would say though is that the connection between B***** and Stephen Vaughan seems to be tentative at most and whilst there maybe a somewhat stronger ties to McKay, there still isn’t much evidence that he’s interested in a stake of football club albeit through “debt trap diplomacy”, or that even if he was interested, that Wael would need this short term capital to begin with. Even if they were to pass all these hurdles, there is still the matter of whether Wael would be naive enough to surrender control to such people for the sake of finance, from what I can tell Wael is pretty switched on but perhaps that’s me being naive that Wael isn’t naive. If B***** does have this plan to boost his budget for next season in the works, it begs the question why did he not employ this at Fleetwood. They were in an even more desperate situation having to take out an £800,000 loan from the EFL and forced to get rid of some key players at the start of this season with supposedly as you say B***** paying the wages of some of his staff. There was seemingly no intervention from the shady figures in B*****’s background here and he had to work with the hand he was dealt. Why would it be any different at Rovers? Do you see where I’m getting at here? Plenty of variables that prevent a nightmare situation from happening, it’s probably unable to comfort you with the prior experiences that you mentioned but it’s enough to dissuade me from believing the theory at least. I put who knows at the end of my last sentence, as an acknowledgement of that fact that football can be an unpredictable affair and anything could happen on the pitch next season with whoever is in charge. Might be going against the grain with the general consensus of the forum here but the actually running the business part of the football club, I don’t think Wael has done a half bad job and I retain faith in his leadership on that front, his vision of a sustainable football club is a good aspiration to work towards IMO. The footballing side it’s obvious mistakes have been made and I sincerely hope that Wael takes steps to rectify them in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 19:20:16 GMT
Sorry but that sounds total nonsense, what is anybody going to gain spending £x building something to one set of plans, even going as far as putting the roof on, or at least the rafters, only to knock part of it down to rebuild it to a different design? My take on the issue is either PT or JB questioned what the club had already started building under BG's reign and got them to agree the recently submitted plans were far more preferable for a football training ground clubhouse. Not total nonsense at all. I'd heard this long before PT or JB arrived on the scene. And back in the summer you had Wael waving a bit of paper at the Zoom meeting. The difference isn't that much - there's an addition of 2 new wings. If they'd already started fitting out inside then that would really be a cock-up, having seen the internal layouts Womble posted of original versus updated plans. But as far as I'm aware they'd got about as far as skimming the walls. If I'm wrong I take it back. There are a few considerations here as far as I am aware:
Initial work started in May last year at the height of Covid lockdown. (I think Rovers got a more favourable deal because of the timing)
As a result of lockdown there was a significant delay in processing planning applications at South Glos Council - not least because at the time the lockdown severely restricted planning visits by the planning officers.
The area is green belt, and as a result not the easiest thing to amend building plans (I think) , especially given the above ie lockdown
The planning consultants, being specialists in this area, advised it would be easier to commence work based on the existing plans and and then at a later date request a Variation to South Glos, rather than do a brand new full application and face delay whilst it be assessed, with a resulting risk it may not necessarily get the nod.
Im not 100% but that is my understanding, and by doing a bit of digging around. Womble will prob know more.
I really dont think its a cock up, but probably was still quite difficult to dovetail all the actions from all parties to the right timings, as Im sure South Glos still have a backlog.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 20:27:04 GMT
ITB does have personal contact with Wael, he has posted he even recommended Paul Cook for managers job. I find it very telling that these two posters come onto here when we are not towing the line or being unquestionable in our support. This leaves me in no doubt that this does get back to El Presidente. Make of that what you will.OH MY GOD ITS A CONSPIRACY !!!! Seems that anyone, I mean ANYONE, who has the sheer audacity to support the current ownership on this forum must be a plant from Wael. And whats more, its quite a few posters who seem to think it!! Quite a few? Can you list them all please? I've noticed 2 so far.
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Post by gastower on May 4, 2021 20:58:38 GMT
Seems to me that ITB and contradiction share the same DNA
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Post by droitwichgas on May 4, 2021 21:59:07 GMT
Not total nonsense at all. I'd heard this long before PT or JB arrived on the scene. And back in the summer you had Wael waving a bit of paper at the Zoom meeting. The difference isn't that much - there's an addition of 2 new wings. If they'd already started fitting out inside then that would really be a cock-up, having seen the internal layouts Womble posted of original versus updated plans. But as far as I'm aware they'd got about as far as skimming the walls. If I'm wrong I take it back. There are a few considerations here as far as I am aware:
Initial work started in May last year at the height of Covid lockdown. (I think Rovers got a more favourable deal because of the timing)
As a result of lockdown there was a significant delay in processing planning applications at South Glos Council - not least because at the time the lockdown severely restricted planning visits by the planning officers.
The area is green belt, and as a result not the easiest thing to amend building plans (I think) , especially given the above ie lockdown
The planning consultants, being specialists in this area, advised it would be easier to commence work based on the existing plans and and then at a later date request a Variation to South Glos, rather than do a brand new full application and face delay whilst it be assessed, with a resulting risk it may not necessarily get the nod.
Im not 100% but that is my understanding, and by doing a bit of digging around. Womble will prob know more.
I really dont think its a cock up, but probably was still quite difficult to dovetail all the actions from all parties to the right timings, as Im sure South Glos still have a backlog.
Rovers didn't need to issue a brand new application, all they needed to do was seek an amendment to the approved plans, there's always the danger that they won't be approved, although that seems unlikely given the minor amendments. There seems no logic in half building the clubhouse then seeking pp for a different design.
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 4, 2021 21:59:34 GMT
Seems to me that ITB and contradiction share the same DNA You have never been the sharpest tool in the box...
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 22:12:32 GMT
Its madness, but you can almost guarantee that someone right now will be forensically analysing posts with some vain hope of proving that posts supporting WAQ are all the same person, and that person has been planted by WAQ.
Bonkers
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Post by gastower on May 5, 2021 6:20:55 GMT
Seems to me that ITB and contradiction share the same DNA You have never been the sharpest tool in the box... That makes two of us then
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Post by alftupper on May 5, 2021 6:33:37 GMT
Well, I was 99% sure that I was going to buy a season ticket today, but reading all these conspiracy theories, and the anger and insults that accompany them, I`ve changed my mind. Now I`m 100% sure. Bring it on!!
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 5, 2021 7:41:16 GMT
You have never been the sharpest tool in the box... That makes two of us then I dunno, I cut through the lies and BS that you have supported pretty well and to back it up our owner has made you all look like a right bunch of mugs to go with it.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 5, 2021 7:44:25 GMT
1000 Tickets already renewed. Good showing Gasheads
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Post by vaughan on May 5, 2021 7:45:21 GMT
So are ITB and Contradiction the Forum's 2 Ugly Sisters then?
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Post by Delsy on May 5, 2021 7:49:27 GMT
Purchased mine yesterday, £50 off , makes it roughly a tenner a game, can’t grumble at that I spose, well you can as it will be basement league football but hey ho we’ll be back !?
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Post by Rex on May 5, 2021 8:14:09 GMT
I'm confused- I thought I was ordering a season card, but when I go to complete the purchase there are 2 options. Season card & digital pass for an extra £2.50 or just a digital pass for no extra fee. Does that mean I have to buy a digital pass -I guess that's for I follow stuff- if I want a season ticket? Any straight answer would be appreciated
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Post by Peter Parker on May 5, 2021 8:20:24 GMT
I'm confused- I thought I was ordering a season card, but when I go to complete the purchase there are 2 options. Season card & digital pass for an extra £2.50 or just a digital pass for no extra fee. Does that mean I have to buy a digital pass -I guess that's for I follow stuff- if I want a season ticket? Any straight answer would be appreciated i assume(d) the digital pass would be basically your ticket on an app of some sort on your phone business.ticketmaster.co.uk/solutions/digital-ticketing/
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Post by bondigas on May 5, 2021 8:25:30 GMT
That's some post about the owner being falsely accused of grooming, not sure after all that's been revealed in football recently that tag rightly or wrongly is something anyone would want near them after all of the Barry Bennell revelations. It's like lighting a stick of dynamite, what if it isn't a horrific false accusation and some one now a little more mature sees it as a potential juicy pay day.
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Post by Rex on May 5, 2021 8:42:45 GMT
I'm confused- I thought I was ordering a season card, but when I go to complete the purchase there are 2 options. Season card & digital pass for an extra £2.50 or just a digital pass for no extra fee. Does that mean I have to buy a digital pass -I guess that's for I follow stuff- if I want a season ticket? Any straight answer would be appreciated i assume(d) the digital pass would be basically your ticket on an app of some sort on your phone business.ticketmaster.co.uk/solutions/digital-ticketing/Ooh, scary future stuff! I better pay the extra then , I'm still not comfortable with a lot of phone things. I wonder if we still have the turnstiles, where the bloke still has to push the pedal after the beep, I found that rather quaint
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