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Post by irenestoyboy on May 4, 2021 12:38:47 GMT
I’m not disparaging what the Dunfords did do for us, not in any way. You misunderstand what I am saying. What I am saying is we were relegated to L2 for the first time under the Dunfords watch, nearly went out of the league under his watch, didn’t invest in anything at the Mem or any training facility either. That blueprint followed on until we did go out of the league. As a result other clubs around us have invested so now we have clubs like Fleetwood, who back when we first got relegated to L2, were in the 9th tier of English football, now playing in a higher league than us. 20 years later we seem to have cloudy memories as to why that happened, how nothing was restructured or invested in the next 20 years to ensure we got out of the league ASAP and then never went down there again. There’s lots of disrespectful comments about the current ownership and I get why, it’s been an awful season with countless poor decisions made on the footballing front, but we are in much better shape to bounce back quickly than we ever were and that’s thanks to the investment this ownership has put in. Hopefully we get out at the first attempt and learn from all the mistakes we have made so we never ever return. Maybe we should leave it there. I think it's very poor form to drag the Dunford name in to this, you don't, others reading will make their own judgement. I have no personal issue with Wael whatsoever and have never insulted him, or any of his family members, but I am seriously worried about how the club is being run. You think he has everything under control. Fair enough. 5 years to take us backwards kind of suggests that your faith may not be on a firm footing. For me, the losses, the state of the stadium, being told that the training ground design was all wrong, the manager situation, what did B***** say, was it that the 'culture' throughout the club was wrong or words to that effect, and Tisdale had said something similar. High profile mistakes from Gorringe and relegation are things that I'm struggling to think beyond, but you keep cheer leading, you are doing a grand job. So what, we should just erase past mistakes, not rue missed opportunities and ignore history because the Dunford name is precious to you? You can’t be selective when it comes to past events involving our club and say one person is doing it right and the other not. Which is kinda what happens when it comes to parts of the Dunford ownership.
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Post by laughinggas on May 4, 2021 13:13:42 GMT
Blimey, there's some self important twaddle on here. Anyone else renewed yet? Getting mine tomorrow as didn't renew this season as there was never a chance of watching any games at The Mem. Yup have renewed in anticipation of seeing games. Hope to see familiar faces on the terraces soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 13:21:20 GMT
Nice to have you back irenestoyboy . Could I ask. Was swiss banned from gaschat? If so, what rules did he break? You can tell me it's none of my business if you like. It's just as Admin I've been sorely tempted to ban people who I vehemently disagree with, but I respect freedom of speech. Been a bit of a break since March 12th. Surprised you have time to moderate gaschat and monitor this tiny forum of independent thought. Fair play to you. I don't always agree with swiss. But he is always measured and constructive in his criticism of Wael Al-Qadi. People who don't like what he has to say can come across as very rude. And they make personal insults, rather than valid points. It's almost as if they've been personally stung by the criticism. Eppinggas you oversight aspirations are laudable and exactly how they should be, but one of the issues I think some of us have with here is they state things as "fact", it's like reading a conspiracy site at times. Some are taken in by it, but others challenge it, and then people become very defensive. The Dunford comments above is a great example. How anybody could read that somebody was being disrespectful to Dennis and Geoff I do not know. How ever "morale high ground" is used as a major deflection on the valid questions asked, with aim of not getting into a true discussion. Is this because they do not know how to answer? An answer was given. Geoff and Dennis brought the club back from the brink of non-existence. It's a blatant attempt at distraction to attempt to lay any element of blame whatsoever for the failure of the last 5 years at the feet of people who took a bankrupt club with no home, took them to the 2nd tier, then brought them back to Bristol and left the club with a stadium with the only external debt that I'm aware of being the mortgage, which was a tiny percentage of the value of the stadium, and a loan of a few hundred thousand to, I think Barclays. So where were we, Geoff and Dennis took us from zero to plus circa £20m after everybody is paid and all share capital is accounted for. How does Wael's record compare to that please?
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Post by alftupper on May 4, 2021 13:27:51 GMT
Blimey, there's some self important twaddle on here. Anyone else renewed yet? Getting mine tomorrow as didn't renew this season as there was never a chance of watching any games at The Mem. Same as me.
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Post by gastower on May 4, 2021 13:28:27 GMT
Oh dear you are a sensitive soul , I suppose you calling posters on gaschat cronies, weasels, irrelevant and liars is not a personal attack Hypercritic .Bye the way hows your fans share director application going ?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 13:31:39 GMT
Oh dear you are a sensitive soul , I suppose you calling posters on gaschat cronies, weasels, irrelevant and liars is not a personal attack Hypercritic .Bye the way hows your fans share director application going ? If that's true I'm sure that the BoD would reject such an applicant as not being a suitable person to hold a Director's position.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 4, 2021 13:49:28 GMT
Eppinggas you oversight aspirations are laudable and exactly how they should be, but one of the issues I think some of us have with here is they state things as "fact", it's like reading a conspiracy site at times. Some are taken in by it, but others challenge it, and then people become very defensive. The Dunford comments above is a great example. How anybody could read that somebody was being disrespectful to Dennis and Geoff I do not know. How ever "morale high ground" is used as a major deflection on the valid questions asked, with aim of not getting into a true discussion. Is this because they do not know how to answer? An answer was given. Geoff and Dennis brought the club back from the brink of non-existence. It's a blatant attempt at distraction to attempt to lay any element of blame whatsoever for the failure of the last 5 years at the feet of people who took a bankrupt club with no home, took them to the 2nd tier, then brought them back to Bristol and left the club with a stadium with the only external debt that I'm aware of being the mortgage, which was a tiny percentage of the value of the stadium, and a loan of a few hundred thousand to, I think Barclays. So where were we, Geoff and Dennis took us from zero to plus circa £20m after everybody is paid and all share capital is accounted for. How does Wael's record compare to that please? Geoff and Dennis is another era. They did a great job while they were in power and we should all be grateful that they got us back to Bristol. Geoff was not stupid though, he knew football finances were changing and he did not have the leverage to finance the club to where he wanted it go, so he bowed out gracefully. The down side was selling to Higgs, not because his heart was not in the right place, but because he did not have the money to compete with where the league was going. New stadia, new money, we were falling behind every season and thus no surprise we ended up in non league. Probably our level under Higgs, though he got lucky with DC getting back to back promotions. Wael has invested heavily (I know you do not believe that) , bringing in a much more professional approach to Marketing, Social Media, Communications (we still need more on the day to day, but that's Starnes not Wael) and on the playing side. Can you blame him for the team demise, yes, but the experiment of Garner did not pay off and if anything exploded in his face. A more experienced manager given the same goal may have been a lot more successful. So yes he's made his mistakes, but with out his money we would not have a new training ground, a pitch we can be proud off, and still have a team after covid. So like Monty Python, "what did the Romans do for us".
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Post by laughinggas on May 4, 2021 14:03:50 GMT
Blimey, there's some self important twaddle on here. Anyone else renewed yet? Getting mine tomorrow as didn't renew this season as there was never a chance of watching any games at The Mem. Yup have renewed in anticipation of seeing games. Hope to see familiar faces on the terraces soon. And no hidden charges from ticket master
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Post by rowdenhill on May 4, 2021 14:10:49 GMT
An answer was given. Geoff and Dennis brought the club back from the brink of non-existence. It's a blatant attempt at distraction to attempt to lay any element of blame whatsoever for the failure of the last 5 years at the feet of people who took a bankrupt club with no home, took them to the 2nd tier, then brought them back to Bristol and left the club with a stadium with the only external debt that I'm aware of being the mortgage, which was a tiny percentage of the value of the stadium, and a loan of a few hundred thousand to, I think Barclays. So where were we, Geoff and Dennis took us from zero to plus circa £20m after everybody is paid and all share capital is accounted for. How does Wael's record compare to that please? Geoff and Dennis is another era. They did a great job while they were in power and we should all be grateful that they got us back to Bristol. Geoff was not stupid though, he knew football finances were changing and he did not have the leverage to finance the club to where he wanted it go, so he bowed out gracefully. The down side was selling to Higgs, not because his heart was not in the right place, but because he did not have the money to compete with where the league was going. New stadia, new money, we were falling behind every season and thus no surprise we ended up in non league. Probably our level under Higgs, though he got lucky with DC getting back to back promotions. Wael has invested heavily (I know you do not believe that) , bringing in a much more professional approach to Marketing, Social Media, Communications (we still need more on the day to day, but that's Starnes not Wael) and on the playing side. Can you blame him for the team demise, yes, but the experiment of Garner did not pay off and if anything exploded in his face. A more experienced manager given the same goal may have been a lot more successful. So yes he's made his mistakes, but with out his money we would not have a new training ground, a pitch we can be proud off, and still have a team after covid. So like Monty Python, "what did the Romans do for us".
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Post by rowdenhill on May 4, 2021 14:13:17 GMT
Romani Abonae futuo omnium fecerunt.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 14:49:57 GMT
An answer was given. Geoff and Dennis brought the club back from the brink of non-existence. It's a blatant attempt at distraction to attempt to lay any element of blame whatsoever for the failure of the last 5 years at the feet of people who took a bankrupt club with no home, took them to the 2nd tier, then brought them back to Bristol and left the club with a stadium with the only external debt that I'm aware of being the mortgage, which was a tiny percentage of the value of the stadium, and a loan of a few hundred thousand to, I think Barclays. So where were we, Geoff and Dennis took us from zero to plus circa £20m after everybody is paid and all share capital is accounted for. How does Wael's record compare to that please? Geoff and Dennis is another era. They did a great job while they were in power and we should all be grateful that they got us back to Bristol. Geoff was not stupid though, he knew football finances were changing and he did not have the leverage to finance the club to where he wanted it go, so he bowed out gracefully. The down side was selling to Higgs, not because his heart was not in the right place, but because he did not have the money to compete with where the league was going. New stadia, new money, we were falling behind every season and thus no surprise we ended up in non league. Probably our level under Higgs, though he got lucky with DC getting back to back promotions. Wael has invested heavily (I know you do not believe that) , bringing in a much more professional approach to Marketing, Social Media, Communications (we still need more on the day to day, but that's Starnes not Wael) and on the playing side. Can you blame him for the team demise, yes, but the experiment of Garner did not pay off and if anything exploded in his face. A more experienced manager given the same goal may have been a lot more successful. So yes he's made his mistakes, but with out his money we would not have a new training ground, a pitch we can be proud off, and still have a team after covid. So like Monty Python, "what did the Romans do for us". Some reasonable points, so let's work through them. Yesterday Geoff was being blamed for a lack of investment in infrastructure. I'm not the biggest fan of Geoff, far from it, but we have a club due mostly to him and his Father, and they brought us back to Bristol, and we ended up owning a stadium. So on balance their legacy is a good one. I don't know all of Geoff's reasons for handing over to Higgs, but he had done a lengthy stint and he wasn't in the best of health I don't think? Wael has lost a lot of money, but this is my issue, has he got anything like value for money? Where to start with marketing. Tell me that Mintbet and Babestation were just bad dreams? Who lost their jobs for those, or for the ticket system meltdown that resulted in absolute chaos at the turnstiles and staff walking around trying to work out who had paid and who hadn't with their pockets literally stuffed full of cash? Professional? I disagree. We were mocked on national TV over the Babestation event. The Garner experiment had failed by the end of last season. But he was kept on. Why? Who made that call? Tisdale arrives. Now another huge mistake. Widdrington stays and Tisdale goes. Hard to believe. Who on earth made that decision? B***** arrives and within a few weeks is saying pretty much the same stuff that Tisdale had said. How many League teams have folded since last March? I make it a total of zero. Add to that, in Wael's latest letter that I've read he commented on not taking the EFL loan, but as far as I'm aware there was a grant available worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, that wasn't mentioned at all. Have you got any idea why that would be the case? I'm not in one camp or the other on the training ground. Am waiting to see what it is when completed and whether it yields tangible benefits. But right now I would rather we had invested more into the team and were still a L1 club. Add to that, B***** has been openly critical of some aspects of the design, so that's not good. Do I believe that Wael is a good Man with good intentions? Absolutely. Do I worry about the losses and that even with losing massive sums we've still somehow ended up rock bottom of the division? Yes, that worries me.
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 4, 2021 14:53:03 GMT
Oh dear you are a sensitive soul , I suppose you calling posters on gaschat cronies, weasels, irrelevant and liars is not a personal attack Hypercritic .Bye the way hows your fans share director application going ? I only targeted the ones that got caught telling horrific lies and making up baseless accusations. I’m glad I’m out and it was only done for a bit of sport really. If you have to accuse our owner of grooming children in his exec box at match days to try and and wrestle some form of control then that’s a club I’m happily not part of and would rather see destroyed than represent our fan base.
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Post by swissgas on May 4, 2021 15:22:10 GMT
Oh dear you are a sensitive soul , I suppose you calling posters on gaschat cronies, weasels, irrelevant and liars is not a personal attack Hypercritic .Bye the way hows your fans share director application going ? I only targeted the ones that got caught telling horrific lies and making up baseless accusations. I’m glad I’m out and it was only done for a bit of sport really. If you have to accuse our owner of grooming children in his exec box at match days to try and and wrestle some form of control then that’s a club I’m happily not part of and would rather see destroyed than represent our fan base. I've just logged on and am in the process of composing a reply to axegas and yourself but, Rovers fan to Rovers fan, I'd suggest you delete part of that post.
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Post by swissgas on May 4, 2021 15:43:29 GMT
Thanks for your assurance that there is no cause to be worried. And also the revelation that previous owners, to their shame, left us so lacking in infrastructure that Wael has had to spend 20+ million to get us back to League 2. You have explained that cash resources are in place to finance Rovers requirements indefinitely so does this mean you can now provide an assurance that Wael will not need or accept funding in any form from B***** or his associates ? You’ve presented plenty of evidence that Wael doesn’t have enough financial resources to take the club forward, what evidence is there that a) B***** even wants any stake in the club from a financial perspective and b) that he even has “associates” that have enough money to put into the club. This isn’t meant as a dig Swiss, I’m just genuinely curious, I’ve done plenty of research and not found any intent or wealth surrounding B***** from my side. I also think that your second sentence isn’t far off reality sadly enough. Higgs sold the club because he knew we were a leaky bucket in financial terms and that he would be unable to back DC without dipping significantly into his own personal funds. We got an owner who could, at least where these last 5 years are concerned, but perhaps at the cost of footballing savviness, as evidenced this season, maybe Wael can reverse this recent decline who knows. If you google Stephen Vaughan Chester City, Barrow and Bangor City you will see a track record of destroying clubs. B***** is in that circle and Stephen Vaughan Jnr was jailed for providing B*****’s best mate with a false alibi after he killed the policeman. Willie McKay, B*****’s long time associate, was involved with a failed experiment at Doncaster Rovers and has had close involvement with many other clubs. But this is probably just the tip of the iceberg because these “characters” are highly attracted to football clubs, they have the cash, and the main barrier stopping them getting in is the fit and proper person ownership test. If B***** is taking control at Rovers he will be in a position to help them gain a foothold. The route I’ve highlighted as a possibility is not conventional investment via a shareholding it is by loaning the club money to carry out B*****’s reset plan. As I said before, if Wael doesn’t want to fully back that plan he may use finance as an excuse and B***** will counter with “I can get you the finance”. I read somewhere that B***** is paying his own staff, and fans were saying how wonderful that was, but if it’s true it shows the door is already partly open. Once they are in and legally owed money, the cuckoo is in the nest, Wael is beholden to them and who knows what might happen. Is this scaremongering ? Would Wael fall for something like this ? Well you have to decide what to think. I’m only bringing it up because it happened to me in the early days of my career and I was naïve enough to accept money from a third party. Fortunately, when they tried to virtually take over the business, I was in a position to pay back the money and get them off my back but not without pain and anguish which could have been avoided. At the end of your post you say “maybe Wael will be able to reverse this recent decline, who knows ?” I accept the inevitable accusation of pomposity by saying this but hopefully you will take it in the right spirit. You cannot successfully run a business based on “maybe’s” and “who knows” or hoping for the best. With the “new philosophy” and Wael’s statement last June we thought we finally had the essence of a business plan in place. Now that’s been torn up and all the eggs seem to be placed in the B***** basket but no one can explain why they think he is the right man to restructure a football club and to me it looks as though, once again, we are “hoping for the best”.
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Post by swissgas on May 4, 2021 16:19:53 GMT
We actually have internet in the USA so as well as other Rovers related information available online I am able to see the state of the Mem on I follow, the state of the training ground from a video the club released, the league 1 table from the BBC website, the reports on B***** and his associates from various online newspapers, the AJIB accounts from their website, the Dwane Sports and Dwane Colony annual returns from the Jersey Companies Registry, Wael’s open letters from the BRFC website and the BRFC1883 Ltd accounts from Companies House. Can you tell me where I can find the other 3/4 of the information I need before I am allowed to express an opinion ? So do you agree that the Mem, although ramshackle in appearance and completely unfit for purpose looks in better shape pitch wise and commercially than it has ever done? The training ground, which is ours, is coming on nicely and whilst it isn’t CAT 1 premier league stuff, it’s better than what we have had previously, which is nothing and will be better than what some clubs have? The communication to us fans Trouble is Swiss with all your digging it always looks as if you do so with an agenda to discredit, your opinions by a select few (as stated by one poster above) are taken as authority when in reality they are assumptions which are purely speculative which are spoken with out full facts. It goes beyond just an opinion because you prophesy it as the actual direction WAQ is taking the club when as proven before, your version of events do not come to pass. Hiding behind excuses doesn't solve problems it makes them worse. Wael told us over five years ago that we needed a new stadium because the Mem was completely unfit for purpose and it still is today. But you seem to be saying that the lovely green pitch on which we lost a record number of home games and some flashy digital advertising makes up for that so we shouldn't be complaining. The training ground is not coming along nicely at all. Didn't you read there was a "cock up" over the size of the club house and now it's just been finished it will have to be partially knocked down and rebuilt if the planners give their consent. Where will the players be changing, showering and having team meetings on June 26th ? The communication via Wael's open letters seem to mainly consist of a plea for us to be grateful to him. When you accuse me of having an agenda, trying to discredit Wael, sh*t stirring, being bitter etc it says more about you than me. I think you are judging me by your own standards and cannot accept that I, like many other Gasheads, want to see a better Bristol Rovers and won't be silenced by those whose loyalty is more to the owner than to the football club. You seem obsessed by the Supporters Club and Presidents club so I wonder where you stood when those organizations were circling their waggons to protect Nick Higgs and slapping down any dissent as he went blundering on. Many of us on this forum were as highly critical of Nick Higgs then as we are of Wael today because we put Bristol Rovers first.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 4, 2021 16:53:24 GMT
They have amounted to epic failure , relegation and lord knows how much this re-set will cost but no need to worry or question as we will go straight back up. On a personal note, I have never seen swissgas wish for or ask for failure but has provided an alternative , to the crazy training ground rebuild. I honestly don’t understand how anyone, who has a passion for the club and securing it future, would not feel worry , when we have seen so much fail and then a rebuild. The supporters will be here, whoever owns it but you must be at least concerned, no ? I’m not being personal with Swiss but I’ve heard it all before. His financial doom mongering and prophecies of doom made him look foolish, but the lesson wasn’t learnt. It’s similar in fetish to the supporters club and their constant misinformation both publicly and privately starting rumours amongst fans that at least Jim Chappel has learnt to keep schtum lately and stop making a fool of himself. Relegation happens to football clubs, bigger clubs than us have fallen from grace to lower reaches than we will be in last year, but listening to the Swiss propaganda will only have you worried for no cause. We are no longer a club that deserves to be in L1 permanently. The last 20 years has seen us spend more seasons outside of L1 than in it. We have suffered more through a lack of infrastructure now more than ever, a total lack of investment from the Dunford regime, through the Higgs reign from 1999/2000 season onwards has set this club back many years and yet people look back at that being some Halcyon golden era. That’s just deflection from what has been five years of complete failure. I can’t be bothered to go into it as it’s been done to death but I will say, repeatedly, that Wael took on a team whose star was on the rise then wasted millions only to end up where we were, on his arrival but with much more money wasted. Take care
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 4, 2021 17:05:30 GMT
Nice to have you back irenestoyboy . Could I ask. Was swiss banned from gaschat? If so, what rules did he break? You can tell me it's none of my business if you like. It's just as Admin I've been sorely tempted to ban people who I vehemently disagree with, but I respect freedom of speech. Been a bit of a break since March 12th. Surprised you have time to moderate gaschat and monitor this tiny forum of independent thought. Fair play to you. I don't always agree with swiss. But he is always measured and constructive in his criticism of Wael Al-Qadi. People who don't like what he has to say can come across as very rude. And they make personal insults, rather than valid points. It's almost as if they've been personally stung by the criticism. ITB does have personal contact with Wael, he has posted he even recommended Paul Cook for managers job. I find it very telling that these two posters come onto here when we are not towing the line or being unquestionable in our support. This leaves me in no doubt that this does get back to El Presidente. Make of that what you will.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 4, 2021 17:13:37 GMT
Geoff and Dennis is another era. They did a great job while they were in power and we should all be grateful that they got us back to Bristol. Geoff was not stupid though, he knew football finances were changing and he did not have the leverage to finance the club to where he wanted it go, so he bowed out gracefully. The down side was selling to Higgs, not because his heart was not in the right place, but because he did not have the money to compete with where the league was going. New stadia, new money, we were falling behind every season and thus no surprise we ended up in non league. Probably our level under Higgs, though he got lucky with DC getting back to back promotions. Wael has invested heavily (I know you do not believe that) , bringing in a much more professional approach to Marketing, Social Media, Communications (we still need more on the day to day, but that's Starnes not Wael) and on the playing side. Can you blame him for the team demise, yes, but the experiment of Garner did not pay off and if anything exploded in his face. A more experienced manager given the same goal may have been a lot more successful. So yes he's made his mistakes, but with out his money we would not have a new training ground, a pitch we can be proud off, and still have a team after covid. So like Monty Python, "what did the Romans do for us". Some reasonable points, so let's work through them. Yesterday Geoff was being blamed for a lack of investment in infrastructure. I'm not the biggest fan of Geoff, far from it, but we have a club due mostly to him and his Father, and they brought us back to Bristol, and we ended up owning a stadium. So on balance their legacy is a good one. I don't know all of Geoff's reasons for handing over to Higgs, but he had done a lengthy stint and he wasn't in the best of health I don't think? Wael has lost a lot of money, but this is my issue, has he got anything like value for money? Where to start with marketing. Tell me that Mintbet and Babestation were just bad dreams? Who lost their jobs for those, or for the ticket system meltdown that resulted in absolute chaos at the turnstiles and staff walking around trying to work out who had paid and who hadn't with their pockets literally stuffed full of cash? Professional? I disagree. We were mocked on national TV over the Babestation event. The Garner experiment had failed by the end of last season. But he was kept on. Why? Who made that call? Tisdale arrives. Now another huge mistake. Widdrington stays and Tisdale goes. Hard to believe. Who on earth made that decision? B***** arrives and within a few weeks is saying pretty much the same stuff that Tisdale had said. How many League teams have folded since last March? I make it a total of zero. Add to that, in Wael's latest letter that I've read he commented on not taking the EFL loan, but as far as I'm aware there was a grant available worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, that wasn't mentioned at all. Have you got any idea why that would be the case? I'm not in one camp or the other on the training ground. Am waiting to see what it is when completed and whether it yields tangible benefits. But right now I would rather we had invested more into the team and were still a L1 club. Add to that, B***** has been openly critical of some aspects of the design, so that's not good. Do I believe that Wael is a good Man with good intentions? Absolutely. Do I worry about the losses and that even with losing massive sums we've still somehow ended up rock bottom of the division? Yes, that worries me. In my mind success on the pitch has positive knock on effects. We failed to do that and at a crucial time. The rest has been covered
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 4, 2021 17:16:05 GMT
I only targeted the ones that got caught telling horrific lies and making up baseless accusations. I’m glad I’m out and it was only done for a bit of sport really. If you have to accuse our owner of grooming children in his exec box at match days to try and and wrestle some form of control then that’s a club I’m happily not part of and would rather see destroyed than represent our fan base. I've just logged on and am in the process of composing a reply to axegas and yourself but, Rovers fan to Rovers fan, I'd suggest you delete part of that post. Rovers fan to rovers fan, I’m happy for it to stay.
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Post by The Concept on May 4, 2021 17:20:04 GMT
So do you agree that the Mem, although ramshackle in appearance and completely unfit for purpose looks in better shape pitch wise and commercially than it has ever done? The training ground, which is ours, is coming on nicely and whilst it isn’t CAT 1 premier league stuff, it’s better than what we have had previously, which is nothing and will be better than what some clubs have? The communication to us fans Trouble is Swiss with all your digging it always looks as if you do so with an agenda to discredit, your opinions by a select few (as stated by one poster above) are taken as authority when in reality they are assumptions which are purely speculative which are spoken with out full facts. It goes beyond just an opinion because you prophesy it as the actual direction WAQ is taking the club when as proven before, your version of events do not come to pass. Hiding behind excuses doesn't solve problems it makes them worse. Wael told us over five years ago that we needed a new stadium because the Mem was completely unfit for purpose and it still is today. But you seem to be saying that the lovely green pitch on which we lost a record number of home games and some flashy digital advertising makes up for that so we shouldn't be complaining. The training ground is not coming along nicely at all. Didn't you read there was a "cock up" over the size of the club house and now it's just been finished it will have to be partially knocked down and rebuilt if the planners give their consent. Where will the players be changing, showering and having team meetings on June 26th ?The communication via Wael's open letters seem to mainly consist of a plea for us to be grateful to him. When you accuse me of having an agenda, trying to discredit Wael, sh*t stirring, being bitter etc it says more about you than me. I think you are judging me by your own standards and cannot accept that I, like many other Gasheads, want to see a better Bristol Rovers and won't be silenced by those whose loyalty is more to the owner than to the football club. You seem obsessed by the Supporters Club and Presidents club so I wonder where you stood when those organizations were circling their waggons to protect Nick Higgs and slapping down any dissent as he went blundering on. Many of us on this forum were as highly critical of Nick Higgs then as we are of Wael today because we put Bristol Rovers first. With the training ground, my understanding is we were always going to change the size and shape of the clubhouse. The idea being to erect a skeleton of a building (it was no way near finished) to the footprint and plan of the existing permission, whilst submitting a new planning application to increase the size, shape and facilities within. What's confusing to me is why it took so long to put up, and why the new plans weren't submitted earlier - as you say, it is extremely unlikely to be fitted out ready for next season.
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