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Post by absent on May 7, 2021 20:13:35 GMT
I would have liked Glos to have put up a bigger first innings lead, but the three late wickets definitely tips the balance back in their favour. Hopefully they'll get some play tomorrow.
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Post by warehamgas on May 7, 2021 21:35:12 GMT
I would have liked Glos to have put up a bigger first innings lead, but the three late wickets definitely tips the balance back in their favour. Hopefully they'll get some play tomorrow. Gloucestershire will win easily after the last hour, only the weather will stop them but they have two days which should be enough. Somerset and Hampshire not so clear cut, the pitch looks to have eased and batting is far easier. I watched the afternoon and evening sessions and Hampshire were doing ok. It wasn’t much of a spectacle but Hampshire had no real incentive to do anything except survive and they did that fairly well. Overton and Gregory bowled very well, at one point after about 6/7 overs they had only scored off 2 balls. It got a bit quicker, but not much. Weather poor tomorrow but better Sunday. Hampshire have some good batsmen and could dig in. Fingers crossed! Those two wicket near the end were well deserved for Overton. On form I think Somerset should lose Overton to England duty but it will depend on what England decide to do. It’ll be plain wrong to select him and then make him drinks-carrier instead of allowing him to play. I guess it’ll depend on whether Silverwood or Root want to upset Broad. It will be boring to see Broad throw his toys out of the pram.....again, if Overton is chosen instead of him. Anderson on the other hand seems to have a good and sensible view of the rotation, seeing it as his best way to extend his career. 😉 Btw not denying both have been incredible bowlers for England over a very long time. |
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Post by lostinspace on May 8, 2021 16:38:46 GMT
the Glums about to win their game today v Middlesex , Somerset will be glad that they have got a chance to play at all today, having just resumed at 5:30 pm
short stint of play 1 more wicket for 17 runs, hopefully the weather is better on Sunday
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Post by lostinspace on May 9, 2021 16:12:37 GMT
finally get the job done to win by 10 wickets, needing 2 to wrap it up in their second innings , but some reargaurd defence by Hampshire made Somerset work hard for the result ,
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Post by warehamgas on May 9, 2021 17:26:48 GMT
Yes that 9th wicket for Hampshire lasted 2 hours. We always had enough time but just after we won it went very dark here in east Dorset and it’s starting to rain. If it was as dark there the Hampshire batsmen may have been able to claim bad light. Fortunately we won. Blimey that was a really hard watch, 131 overs and only 250 runs. Organ made 7 runs over 2 and a quarter hours at a run rate of 6.48 per 100 balls!
Irish, you asked for the consequences of the points change by giving 8 points for a draw. I’d say today was one of the results and as a spectacle it wasn’t much but the determination shown was impressive and they nearly did it. Had spectators been there would they have enjoyed it? Hampshire fans probably, but even then I’m not too sure.
This group is really boiling up into a great competition. I’m not overjoyed that after such a great competition we will go into lockdown for two months because of the 100 and T20 until the second half of the competition and things may change completely.
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Post by irishrover on May 12, 2021 23:12:38 GMT
Glos and Somerset both did well to get wins in a rain affected week. Both were quite comprehensive. In another year Overton would be getting himself into the England frame but we seem quite stacked in the seam department right now and I don't see him going to the Ashes so he'll probably remain on the outside looking in which is good news for Somerset's challenge. Bracey's chance will probably depend on the rehabilitation timetables of other players. Think he has a decent chance of getting into that New Zealand series personally.
Has anyone looked into tickets to the Glos-Somerset Championship game? Lots of county ticket deals suddenly becoming available but some seem quite complicated. Sure I will take a punt at something though. Good case that Glos-Somerset are in the most interesting group.
As ever the moan about no Championship cricket in high summer is entirely justified but futile. We know the priorities now and they're not in our direction unfortunately. Still hopefully the weather holds at the back end of the summer and we get an exciting climax to all of this.
I'm not sure if it's Covid or The Hundred or both but this summer's cricket schedule is full of weirdness. I didn't know until the other day that England had 2 random ODI series against Sri Lanka and Pakistan in high summer. Why? Also, if you're going to do that why not just put New Zealand and India into the mix and play a mini-tournament. More fun then 2 pointless ODI series. ECB is happy to mess around with county cricket forever but never willing to take a punt on livening up the ODI treadmill a bit.
My feeling so far with the extra draw points is that teams with nothing to play after 1st innings fight a bit harder to try and get something out of a lost cause which is definitely not a bad thing. But I do feel like there is a certain amount of encouragement to drop anchor early rather than try and get yourself back into the game.
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Post by warehamgas on May 13, 2021 10:51:21 GMT
XStrange that in today’s round of matches each group is missing a match. Gloucestershire v Leicestershire will be playing another time. On investigation it seems that there are 11 rounds of Championship matches before the half term break with each club missing one round to give them their 10 matches. With the bad weather around today it looks like a good time to miss their match. It could give Gloucestershire a great advantage in the larger picture. No play at Taunton so far.
Regarding tickets for the Gloucestershire v Somerset game: I don’t think Somerset fans will be eligible for tickets. I’ve put in for tickets for the Somerset v Hampshire match in the first week of June. This is Somerset’s first home Championship match after the opening up and I’ve had to enter a ballot giving all my ST details. With a limited number of spectators the ballot will give them an allocated seat in the ground, presumably all social distancing. Allocated seats for CC matches is unheard of. I’m sure that the ballot for tickets is only available for members (ST) because we have more members than tickets that will be available. Whether things will change come the second part of the CC in September when the last 4 matches take part I don’t know.
The England team schedule is weird as you say irish, but nothing surprises me. But like last year they are trying to develop a “club England” type environment and once they get into their bubble they need to have plenty of cricket to play so I suppose they will be trying to get plenty of opposition however meaningful or meaningless so that the players can play. And with the teams coming from all over the world, some places where Covid is nowhere near as controlled as it seems to be here now, their will be dangers so the bubbles will be important. And of course with an Ashes coming up I’ll soon be able to start my count of how many times the Sky /BT commentators mention “Preparation for the ashes” this summer. 😉
Before, draws were something clubs didn’t care too much about imo. The differential between a draw and a win was large and it was worth going for the win. Just thinking about us, we were trying to avoid relegation 16 (I think) and draws were no good, we needed wins and we played for them, got them and avoided relegation. Likewise when in 17 and 19 we were chasing the Championships and draws were no good. Now with 8 points for the draw it’s worth battling for a draw. Looking at the tables currently, Somerset and Gloucestershire have 4 wins.in Group 1 I think Warwickshire and Nottinghamshire are top with 2 wins each and Worcestershire are 3rd just a point behind with 5 draws from 5 matches. So they are in with a chance to be in the top two and haven’t even won! I’d say it’s crazy but others might disagree. In group 1 there have been 8 draws, in group 2 where Somerset and Gloucestershire are there have been 3 draws. Quite a difference, perhaps so far Somerset and Gloucestershire and perhaps the other teams in group 2 are playing better cricket but it does seem strange that Worcestershire will be thinking they’re in with a chance but haven’t won yet. Lots of idiosyncrasies will come to light I’m sure by the seasons end so this may be a temporary thing so I guess we’ll wait until we see the real consequences of this change. Has the change helped counties who might not have been in the mix for the Championship, Leicestershire, Durham, Northamptonshire etc. do well. (I know Leicestershire are bottom but they’ve played some good cricket, have been competitive and look to be much improved and even unlucky in some results. No match against them has been a given imo.)
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Post by irishrover on May 14, 2021 10:00:08 GMT
XStrange that in today’s round of matches each group is missing a match. Gloucestershire v Leicestershire will be playing another time. On investigation it seems that there are 11 rounds of Championship matches before the half term break with each club missing one round to give them their 10 matches. With the bad weather around today it looks like a good time to miss their match. It could give Gloucestershire a great advantage in the larger picture. No play at Taunton so far. Regarding tickets for the Gloucestershire v Somerset game: I don’t think Somerset fans will be eligible for tickets. I’ve put in for tickets for the Somerset v Hampshire match in the first week of June. This is Somerset’s first home Championship match after the opening up and I’ve had to enter a ballot giving all my ST details. With a limited number of spectators the ballot will give them an allocated seat in the ground, presumably all social distancing. Allocated seats for CC matches is unheard of. I’m sure that the ballot for tickets is only available for members (ST) because we have more members than tickets that will be available. Whether things will change come the second part of the CC in September when the last 4 matches take part I don’t know. The England team schedule is weird as you say irish, but nothing surprises me. But like last year they are trying to develop a “club England” type environment and once they get into their bubble they need to have plenty of cricket to play so I suppose they will be trying to get plenty of opposition however meaningful or meaningless so that the players can play. And with the teams coming from all over the world, some places where Covid is nowhere near as controlled as it seems to be here now, their will be dangers so the bubbles will be important. And of course with an Ashes coming up I’ll soon be able to start my count of how many times the Sky /BT commentators mention “Preparation for the ashes” this summer. 😉 Before, draws were something clubs didn’t care too much about imo. The differential between a draw and a win was large and it was worth going for the win. Just thinking about us, we were trying to avoid relegation 16 (I think) and draws were no good, we needed wins and we played for them, got them and avoided relegation. Likewise when in 17 and 19 we were chasing the Championships and draws were no good. Now with 8 points for the draw it’s worth battling for a draw. Looking at the tables currently, Somerset and Gloucestershire have 4 wins.in Group 1 I think Warwickshire and Nottinghamshire are top with 2 wins each and Worcestershire are 3rd just a point behind with 5 draws from 5 matches. So they are in with a chance to be in the top two and haven’t even won! I’d say it’s crazy but others might disagree. In group 1 there have been 8 draws, in group 2 where Somerset and Gloucestershire are there have been 3 draws. Quite a difference, perhaps so far Somerset and Gloucestershire and perhaps the other teams in group 2 are playing better cricket but it does seem strange that Worcestershire will be thinking they’re in with a chance but haven’t won yet. Lots of idiosyncrasies will come to light I’m sure by the seasons end so this may be a temporary thing so I guess we’ll wait until we see the real consequences of this change. Has the change helped counties who might not have been in the mix for the Championship, Leicestershire, Durham, Northamptonshire etc. do well. (I know Leicestershire are bottom but they’ve played some good cricket, have been competitive and look to be much improved and even unlucky in some results. No match against them has been a given imo.) I suspect weather might come into that a little bit as I read that the Midlands has had a lot worse weather than the rest of the country in the last 4-5 weeks. But you have to think it would make some difference (otherwise why bother doing it right?). The question is whether it does what it is supposed to do which is to extend games and give more batsmen experience at having to bat long innings to play out the draw. I'm not neccesarily completely against having watched a number of Lancs home games in Division 2 where an overmatched opposition in a hopefully opposition often appeared to basically gave up by halfway through the 2nd day and just have a slog to get it over with as I guess they had no real incentive to try and get something out of it. I did see some quite unprofessional cricket. So there may be something in it but the thought of teams benefiting by drawing more than playing for the win over the mid-long term just seems instinctively wrong and bad for specatators.
Am I right in thinking one of the reasons that they are moving a few games here and there is to clear some space for the festival games later in the year? Either way this looks to be a good week not to be playing if you are a contending team. To be honest May has been terrible weather so far pretty much everywhere.
I am hopeful to be able to watch some games at Old Trafford soon. A friend sent me the details. I've been a bit busy to look into it but it looks possible. They are trying to sucker people into a £135 Championship/List A ticket which is not too bad. But I'm not certain I'd cover it especially as Lancs were only charging £10 for day tickets to Championship tickets at OT (maybe not now though!). I'd do it if it was the only way I could get in the door though I think.
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Post by lostinspace on May 14, 2021 13:06:55 GMT
XStrange that in today’s round of matches each group is missing a match. Gloucestershire v Leicestershire will be playing another time. On investigation it seems that there are 11 rounds of Championship matches before the half term break with each club missing one round to give them their 10 matches. With the bad weather around today it looks like a good time to miss their match. It could give Gloucestershire a great advantage in the larger picture. No play at Taunton so far. Regarding tickets for the Gloucestershire v Somerset game: I don’t think Somerset fans will be eligible for tickets. I’ve put in for tickets for the Somerset v Hampshire match in the first week of June. This is Somerset’s first home Championship match after the opening up and I’ve had to enter a ballot giving all my ST details. With a limited number of spectators the ballot will give them an allocated seat in the ground, presumably all social distancing. Allocated seats for CC matches is unheard of. I’m sure that the ballot for tickets is only available for members (ST) because we have more members than tickets that will be available. Whether things will change come the second part of the CC in September when the last 4 matches take part I don’t know. The England team schedule is weird as you say irish, but nothing surprises me. But like last year they are trying to develop a “club England” type environment and once they get into their bubble they need to have plenty of cricket to play so I suppose they will be trying to get plenty of opposition however meaningful or meaningless so that the players can play. And with the teams coming from all over the world, some places where Covid is nowhere near as controlled as it seems to be here now, their will be dangers so the bubbles will be important. And of course with an Ashes coming up I’ll soon be able to start my count of how many times the Sky /BT commentators mention “Preparation for the ashes” this summer. 😉 Before, draws were something clubs didn’t care too much about imo. The differential between a draw and a win was large and it was worth going for the win. Just thinking about us, we were trying to avoid relegation 16 (I think) and draws were no good, we needed wins and we played for them, got them and avoided relegation. Likewise when in 17 and 19 we were chasing the Championships and draws were no good. Now with 8 points for the draw it’s worth battling for a draw. Looking at the tables currently, Somerset and Gloucestershire have 4 wins.in Group 1 I think Warwickshire and Nottinghamshire are top with 2 wins each and Worcestershire are 3rd just a point behind with 5 draws from 5 matches. So they are in with a chance to be in the top two and haven’t even won! I’d say it’s crazy but others might disagree. In group 1 there have been 8 draws, in group 2 where Somerset and Gloucestershire are there have been 3 draws. Quite a difference, perhaps so far Somerset and Gloucestershire and perhaps the other teams in group 2 are playing better cricket but it does seem strange that Worcestershire will be thinking they’re in with a chance but haven’t won yet. Lots of idiosyncrasies will come to light I’m sure by the seasons end so this may be a temporary thing so I guess we’ll wait until we see the real consequences of this change. Has the change helped counties who might not have been in the mix for the Championship, Leicestershire, Durham, Northamptonshire etc. do well. (I know Leicestershire are bottom but they’ve played some good cricket, have been competitive and look to be much improved and even unlucky in some results. No match against them has been a given imo.) I suspect weather might come into that a little bit as I read that the Midlands has had a lot worse weather than the rest of the country in the last 4-5 weeks. But you have to think it would make some difference (otherwise why bother doing it right?). The question is whether it does what it is supposed to do which is to extend games and give more batsmen experience at having to bat long innings to play out the draw. I'm not neccesarily completely against having watched a number of Lancs home games in Division 2 where an overmatched opposition in a hopefully opposition often appeared to basically gave up by halfway through the 2nd day and just have a slog to get it over with as I guess they had no real incentive to try and get something out of it. I did see some quite unprofessional cricket. So there may be something in it but the thought of teams benefiting by drawing more than playing for the win over the mid-long term just seems instinctively wrong and bad for specatators.
Am I right in thinking one of the reasons that they are moving a few games here and there is to clear some space for the festival games later in the year? Either way this looks to be a good week not to be playing if you are a contending team. To be honest May has been terrible weather so far pretty much everywhere.
I am hopeful to be able to watch some games at Old Trafford soon. A friend sent me the details. I've been a bit busy to look into it but it looks possible. They are trying to sucker people into a £135 Championship/List A ticket which is not too bad. But I'm not certain I'd cover it especially as Lancs were only charging £10 for day tickets to Championship tickets at OT (maybe not now though!). I'd do it if it was the only way I could get in the door though I think.
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Post by lostinspace on May 16, 2021 10:29:35 GMT
Just 68 overs bowled in their current match with Surrey, and at just 11:30 on Sunday the game is abandoned as a draw,
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Post by warehamgas on May 16, 2021 14:40:43 GMT
Just 68 overs bowled in their current match with Surrey, and at just 11:30 on Sunday the game is abandoned as a draw, Yes, real shame. As I said this round of matches was a good one for Gloucestershire to miss. Im not too worried though, now the real battle will start to be in the top 2 in each group. Apart from Middlesex and Leicestershire I think every other team will have hopes. I hope it’s not decided by the weather but it’s certainly made the Gloucestershire v Somerset match a bit more critical than it might have been. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on May 16, 2021 17:17:37 GMT
Just 68 overs bowled in their current match with Surrey, and at just 11:30 on Sunday the game is abandoned as a draw, Yes, real shame. As I said this round of matches was a good one for Gloucestershire to miss. Im not too worried though, now the real battle will start to be in the top 2 in each group. Apart from Middlesex and Leicestershire I think every other team will have hopes. I hope it’s not decided by the weather but it’s certainly made the Gloucestershire v Somerset match a bit more critical than it might have been. Weather forecast states draw, draw favours glos. Big game though if it wasn’t for the predicted wet weekend from Thursday on. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on May 16, 2021 17:19:56 GMT
Yes, real shame. As I said this round of matches was a good one for Gloucestershire to miss. Im not too worried though, now the real battle will start to be in the top 2 in each group. Apart from Middlesex and Leicestershire I think every other team will have hopes. I hope it’s not decided by the weather but it’s certainly made the Gloucestershire v Somerset match a bit more critical than it might have been. Weather forecast states draw, draw favours glos. Big game though if it wasn’t for the predicted wet weekend from Thursday on. Another variable, England squad announced in next couple of days, will Bracey and Overton be allowed to compete against each other or already bubbled. |
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Post by irishrover on May 18, 2021 10:30:11 GMT
I suspect weather might come into that a little bit as I read that the Midlands has had a lot worse weather than the rest of the country in the last 4-5 weeks. But you have to think it would make some difference (otherwise why bother doing it right?). The question is whether it does what it is supposed to do which is to extend games and give more batsmen experience at having to bat long innings to play out the draw. I'm not neccesarily completely against having watched a number of Lancs home games in Division 2 where an overmatched opposition in a hopefully opposition often appeared to basically gave up by halfway through the 2nd day and just have a slog to get it over with as I guess they had no real incentive to try and get something out of it. I did see some quite unprofessional cricket. So there may be something in it but the thought of teams benefiting by drawing more than playing for the win over the mid-long term just seems instinctively wrong and bad for specatators.
Am I right in thinking one of the reasons that they are moving a few games here and there is to clear some space for the festival games later in the year? Either way this looks to be a good week not to be playing if you are a contending team. To be honest May has been terrible weather so far pretty much everywhere.
I am hopeful to be able to watch some games at Old Trafford soon. A friend sent me the details. I've been a bit busy to look into it but it looks possible. They are trying to sucker people into a £135 Championship/List A ticket which is not too bad. But I'm not certain I'd cover it especially as Lancs were only charging £10 for day tickets to Championship tickets at OT (maybe not now though!). I'd do it if it was the only way I could get in the door though I think.
check this out!! your tickets are a BIG BARGAIN!! www.ktnv.com/sports/raiders-release-schedule-home-game-ticket-prices-among-hottest-in-las-vegasOK - I spy an opportunity. I will sell on my Lancs season ticket to dissapointed NFL fans at an enormous profit! |
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Post by absent on May 18, 2021 14:28:48 GMT
Bracey and Overton have both been called up for the New Zealand Tests.
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Post by warehamgas on May 18, 2021 18:51:23 GMT
...and both missing for Gloucestershire v Somerset. And no Jack Leach either for us. Both will be big misses.
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Post by irishrover on May 18, 2021 22:56:46 GMT
...and both missing for Gloucestershire v Somerset. And no Jack Leach either for us. Both will be big misses. Weirdly it might be quite a good time for both teams to play each other then rather than other clubs that have not been as badly hit by England call ups. Overton and Leach probably harder holes to fill than Bracey for Glos though. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 19, 2021 7:44:19 GMT
...and both missing for Gloucestershire v Somerset. And no Jack Leach either for us. Both will be big misses. Weirdly it might be quite a good time for both teams to play each other then rather than other clubs that have not been as badly hit by England call ups. Overton and Leach probably harder holes to fill than Bracey for Glos though. Yes, I think you’re right. Gloucestershire have been solid if unspectacular in their batting this season apart from the first innings against Hampshire. They’ll continue in that fashion, it’s served them well. Somerset need to win more so need both players tbh. Looking at the weather though it’s got draw written all over it which will suit Gloucestershire esp with their game in hand. If both were to finish 1 and 2 in this group the results between the two are carried over into the next stage, a big advantage to Gloucester if they can avoid losing. So Somerset could finish top of the group, if I understand correctly, after 10 matches but when the table for the top six is re-calibrated Gloucestershire would move top due to their results in the earlier group stage. Long way to go but it’s bubbling up to be exciting. |
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Post by irishrover on May 19, 2021 10:21:39 GMT
Weirdly it might be quite a good time for both teams to play each other then rather than other clubs that have not been as badly hit by England call ups. Overton and Leach probably harder holes to fill than Bracey for Glos though. Yes, I think you’re right. Gloucestershire have been solid if unspectacular in their batting this season apart from the first innings against Hampshire. They’ll continue in that fashion, it’s served them well. Somerset need to win more so need both players tbh. Looking at the weather though it’s got draw written all over it which will suit Gloucestershire esp with their game in hand. If both were to finish 1 and 2 in this group the results between the two are carried over into the next stage, a big advantage to Gloucester if they can avoid losing. So Somerset could finish top of the group, if I understand correctly, after 10 matches but when the table for the top six is re-calibrated Gloucestershire would move top due to their results in the earlier group stage. Long way to go but it’s bubbling up to be exciting. OK so at this point I need someone to confirm the rules to me about the next stage! Am I right that it works like this?
-After this round the teams are split into 3 more divisions of 6 depending on where they have placed (1+2, 3+4, 5+6) to create 3 tiers. -Only the top tier compete for the County Championship (which raises the question of why anyone should bother in the other 2 groups right?) -Each team play 4 games - one each against the sides who were not in their stage 1 group. -Results against the side in your group who you qualified with are carried over into the 2nd group stage. -Top team in Tier 1 wins county championship. -Top 2 teams in Tier 2 play 5 day final at Lords for the Bob Willias trophy some time in mid-winter presumably!
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Post by warehamgas on May 19, 2021 10:50:24 GMT
Yes, I think you’re right. Gloucestershire have been solid if unspectacular in their batting this season apart from the first innings against Hampshire. They’ll continue in that fashion, it’s served them well. Somerset need to win more so need both players tbh. Looking at the weather though it’s got draw written all over it which will suit Gloucestershire esp with their game in hand. If both were to finish 1 and 2 in this group the results between the two are carried over into the next stage, a big advantage to Gloucester if they can avoid losing. So Somerset could finish top of the group, if I understand correctly, after 10 matches but when the table for the top six is re-calibrated Gloucestershire would move top due to their results in the earlier group stage. Long way to go but it’s bubbling up to be exciting. OK so at this point I need someone to confirm the rules to me about the next stage! Am I right that it works like this?
-After this round the teams are split into 3 more divisions of 6 depending on where they have placed (1+2, 3+4, 5+6) to create 3 tiers. -Only the top tier compete for the County Championship (which raises the question of why anyone should bother in the other 2 groups right?) -Each team play 4 games - one each against the sides who were not in their stage 1 group. -Results against the side in your group who you qualified with are carried over into the 2nd group stage. -Top team in Tier 1 wins county championship. -Top 2 teams in Tier 2 play 5 day final at Lords for the Bob Willias trophy some time in mid-winter presumably!
Is that about it? That is exactly right as far as I understand it. The teams coming top in their groups will have an advantage as long as they won or didn’t lose the game/games between their group rival. I quite like that, even if it doesn't work in Somerset’s favour, as it won’t in this case. That’s why I think Somerset need to win but Gloucestershire will probably be happy with a draw. But there is still a long way to go so I don’t want to appear to be counting chickens. It gives an important message that the whole season counts, not just September. Teams shouldn’t start with a clean slate in part 2, what happened in part 1 is important. The County Championship should reflect the whole season. The BWT between the top two will be a lottery with it being in late September and the all- important toss probably having a big influence on the result. I tried to include the BBC link but it wouldn’t work. But go to BBC Sport>Cricket>Counties>What to look for.... and it explains it much as you have. |
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