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Post by swissgas on Apr 3, 2021 22:52:12 GMT
What do people have against Maher? He came in under GC and was successful and has been a coach ever since when we haven’t been. He doesn’t sign the players or pick the team, and I’ve no idea if he’s a good coach or not. The theory behind the “philosophy” was that managers would come and go, depending on how successful they were at implementing it, but the philosophy itself would remain a constant and Kevin Maher was part of that. Now the manager is saying the club has got things so wrong that it needs “the great reset” so where does that leave the “philosophy” ? Wael didn’t mention “the great reset” in his open letter and, incredibly, he said B***** was someone who “fitted the club and our strategy” by which he must mean “the philosophy” and which is the exact opposite to what the manager is saying. If we can string a few results together soon then a conflict may be delayed but, based on what Wael and B***** have had to say in the past few days, one of them is going to have to give way by the time we get to June.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 23:06:36 GMT
I'm still neutral about JAB in or out. That's why I have not voted. As far as I see it: We have appeared to be not rolled over under JAB matches and our results haven't reflected our overall performances. In general. We have a previous history morally repugnant off pitch history manager. We have played youth players that have been forced because of injury and form that have had positive influence. Some baffling starting position lineup and inclusion, coupled with strange substitutions make me wonder whether JAB has fully understood each player's potential? We have set up our defence that has haemorrhaged goals prior, that can only be breached by the odd goal (apart from Hull City) and look more confident apart from 11mins v Ipswich. We have had no services from Jaak, Nicholson, Ogogogo, Hare, Harries, Alfie, Grant 100% all through his tenure. His post match comments centre on officials decisions that affected matches apart from his own. These players aren't his choosing. He appears pre match comments to be getting in his excuses early as if to rely on them at a later date....that might be a normal management trait and blame previous? I still think it's a polarised opinion..... most, not all, but most will have been reinforced in their opinion and probably not changed? I'm still awaiting a credible reality replacement suggestion if JAB out..... ? I agree. I haven’t voted, it won’t have any effect whatever the result is. All it confirms is that the fanbase is totally divided with both sides making valid points over “in” or “out” choices. I tend to agree with your points o2. From the way it played out when BG went I would suggest that Tis was already the clear favourite to be appointed with only the details to be sorted. When Tis went it took a bit longer but in both cases I’m not sure that a full and thought out process occurred. I may be wrong and there was a full process but I doubt it. So the question to be asked if B***** goes who next. It’s no good just ridding ourselves of a manager because he’s not liked without having an answer to the question. It would be good to have a longer appointment process gone through. People talk about BRFC being an embarrassment, they may be correct but that’s because we’ve gone through two permanent managers and would be on our 4th if B***** was got rid of. I’d suggest the football industry doesn’t share our concerns about JBs life outside football and so doesn’t have much of an opinion about what we on here might be concerned about. All they would notice is BRFC having their 4th manager of the season. The stats show a miserable picture of all the managers we’ve had this season except Tommy W! So I’m not over concerned with ppg, they’ve all been awful. But if you don’t score goals you don’t win football matches, it’s always been a simple equation. I didn’t really want JB but, imo, the performances under him have been way better than performances under anyone else. Probably not a popular view but at least we’ve played some decent football, played on the front foot, have defended better (yes, I saw the first 10 minutes against Ipswich as well but I hope you get my drift) and had more shots on target. What B***** has failed to do is stop better performing defenders from making individual errors at bad times and he’s failed to get the strikers to score. We recruited what looked like good CHs in the Summer but they’ve failed, but we didn’t recruit strikers and neither did Tis. I could guess who’s fault that is but I’ve no real proof who’s fault it is. But it certainly isn’t JBs fault. It’s not his team yet as manager he carries the can, managers always do. I would like to see him recruit his own players, I think we could see some exciting football with him but we may not get the chance! June 8th may make the decision for us. UTG! I think you’re wrong there Wareham. It will have been noted that Rovers gave B***** a job. There is no place for fans who fight inside of stadiums and the football world frowns on that behaviour so the same undoubtedly goes for managers who scrap in the communal areas. All that is happening at the moment is that the football world is waiting to see if B***** is found guilty, if he is Wael will be under serious pressure to set an example. My reading of the situation is that I fully expect love struck Wael to stand by his man regardless and Bristol Rovers will cement their place as a poor man’s Millwall in the footballing firmament. Then the FA will come a calling and forcibly take him off Wael like an adult taking a favourite toy off a child. Then we will be looking for our 4th manager in less than two seasons. Who will want to come and work for a man who doesn’t know his ass from his elbows with a dysfunctional and unprofessional set up from the boardroom down? I said we should have looked at Michael Duff in November and it looks like he would have a promotion on his CV by summer. If Wael had any sense he’d get on his knees and beg Michael Duff to come here, but he hasn’t, so he won’t. You make an interesting point about the timing. It’s got me wondering whether Tisdale’s comments were a useful “infraction” to can him because Wael was already seduced by the prospect of B***** and was worried (hilariously) that someone else might move first, especially with Northampton and Wimbledon managerless so he got rid of Tisdale ASAP and then got on the phone to B*****. It’s not totally beyond the realms of possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 23:14:44 GMT
Apologies, I take that back. I hate it when others do that and I shouldn’t have said that. What I would say though is I’m fairly sure Tisdale's statement alluded to it and Tommy couldn’t wait to throw him under a bus Fair play, a simple retraction when something is challenged and all it takes is a quick 'sorry' to put everything right. Having said that, what you said earlier would join a lot of dots together and would fit exactly with Widdrington's crowing interview after the Portsmouth game. I think we all know by now that it was Widdrington, in the drawing room, with the candlestick, it just won’t ever come out directly that it was. I’d love to be a fly on the wall in Widdrington’s ivory tower. His utter rage must be quite something, watching the team that he backed to score goals losing every week whilst the manager criticises the set up and Widdrington’s old buddy Wael sides with the manager. Never mind the players, who is going to give Widdrington a job as DOF when he leaves Rovers? He’ll be joining some of his former signings in the national league. No chance any team at L1 level will look twice at him once they do their due diligence on this season. Everything about this club is non-league at the moment. Apart from the training ground.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 23:22:41 GMT
What do people have against Maher? He came in under GC and was successful and has been a coach ever since when we haven’t been. He doesn’t sign the players or pick the team, and I’ve no idea if he’s a good coach or not. The theory behind the “philosophy” was that managers would come and go, depending on how successful they were at implementing it, but the philosophy itself would remain a constant and Kevin Maher was part of that. Now the manager is saying the club has got things so wrong that it needs “the great reset” so where does that leave the “philosophy” ? Wael didn’t mention “the great reset” in his open letter and, incredibly, he said B***** was someone who “fitted the club and our strategy” by which he must mean “the philosophy” and which is the exact opposite to what the manager is saying. If we can string a few results together soon then a conflict may be delayed but, based on what Wael and B***** have had to say in the past few days, one of them is going to have to give way by the time we get to June. Wael doesn’t know what day of the week it is, in fact it’s almost insulting to the fans how Rovers is so Jekyll and Hyde. Wael thinks we’re a family club but hires B*****, a lot of talk about DNA then makes 3 random managerial hires. It’s all just empty words because no-one in the boardroom has The expertise in how to arrest the decline that was embarked on the day they hired Garner. For what it’s worth, I fully support the idea of continuity and it’s the right approach. I’ve always been a fan of Rovers having a DOF who isn’t likely to up and leave, so an old head who is ready to settle down, if you will. They are in charge of the scouting and the style of football and the manager is young and hungry and when he moves on (ideally because he’s bettered himself) the DOF provides continuity and the next manager can fulfill the same remit. Swansea did this DNA idea perfectly for 10 years and got to the premier league (although they didn’t use a DOF iirc). Never abandoning their principles, scouting of players and managers top notch. We on the other hand are the anti-Swansea, about as far away from their effort as it’s possible to get because we’ve got amateurs trying to do a skilled job. If Swansea had brought in Wael, Starnes and Widdrington when they started their rise they would probably be in the conference by now.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 4, 2021 0:24:59 GMT
Fair play, a simple retraction when something is challenged and all it takes is a quick 'sorry' to put everything right. Having said that, what you said earlier would join a lot of dots together and would fit exactly with Widdrington's crowing interview after the Portsmouth game. I think we all know by now that it was Widdrington, in the drawing room, with the candlestick, it just won’t ever come out directly that it was. I’d love to be a fly on the wall in Widdrington’s ivory tower. His utter rage must be quite something, watching the team that he backed to score goals losing every week whilst the manager criticises the set up and Widdrington’s old buddy Wael sides with the manager. Never mind the players, who is going to give Widdrington a job as DOF when he leaves Rovers? He’ll be joining some of his former signings in the national league. No chance any team at L1 level will look twice at him once they do their due diligence on this season. Everything about this club is non-league at the moment. Apart from the training ground. I’m afraid Gasheads may end up being disappointed with the training ground. Some of the decisions we have made aren’t just cutting corners, they give the impression we are completely around the bend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 8:31:23 GMT
I’m afraid Gasheads may end up being disappointed with the training ground. Some of the decisions we have made aren’t just cutting corners, they give the impression we are completely around the bend. Ah, The Quarters. This is one of the two main points on which Swiss and I still differ, as I feel increasingly convinced by his arguments about Al Qadi's tenure. I believe in freehold property ownership as investment in a rent-free future, and I don't see what's not really good about The Quarters. I look forward (or not) to understanding.
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Post by gasheadpirate on Apr 4, 2021 10:12:03 GMT
With just a few games to go, what is the logic of replacing yet another manager now. The dye is cast, we are going down because we have a poor team that give away cheap goals on a regular basis and cannot scorecatbthe other end. No manager is going to redically change that now at this stage of the season. The January transfer window was the time and place to make the necessary changes but the club failed for whatever reason and we will reap what we deserve as a result.
I personally would not have chosen JB as our manager but he is now here and he is not to blame for what he inherited. We can only judge him on his recruitment over the summer and his results next season - most likely in League 2. This assumes he does not get imprisoned as a result of his trial in June of course!
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Post by swissgas on Apr 4, 2021 14:39:54 GMT
I’m afraid Gasheads may end up being disappointed with the training ground. Some of the decisions we have made aren’t just cutting corners, they give the impression we are completely around the bend. Ah, The Quarters. This is one of the two main points on which Swiss and I still differ, as I feel increasingly convinced by his arguments about Al Qadi's tenure. I believe in freehold property ownership as investment in a rent-free future, and I don't see what's not really good about The Quarters. I look forward (or not) to understanding. By the end of this week you might understand.
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Post by gasheadpirate on Apr 4, 2021 17:03:11 GMT
Ah, The Quarters. This is one of the two main points on which Swiss and I still differ, as I feel increasingly convinced by his arguments about Al Qadi's tenure. I believe in freehold property ownership as investment in a rent-free future, and I don't see what's not really good about The Quarters. I look forward (or not) to understanding. By the end of this week you might understand. What does that mean? Stop being cryptic and spell it out.
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 4, 2021 17:16:11 GMT
By the end of this week you might understand. What does that mean? Stop being cryptic and spell it out. yes, please do swiss - what does the crystal ball show?
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 4, 2021 17:16:51 GMT
the B***** inners are catching up with the B***** outers
I'm surprised. Whatever has got into people?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 17:23:41 GMT
the B***** inners are catching up with the B***** outers. I'm surprised. Whatever has got into people? There are some, many more on Gaschat, seduced by the cult of celebrity. There are others who were (even are) against B*****'s employment by BRFC, but consider that with seven games to go, it would be even worse to sack a third 'permanent' manager in one season. I disagree. The B***** gamble has backfired, and Widdrington should prove us all wrong by supervising his squad to third division survival. If Widdrington were successful in, then he would earn his continued permanent Football Directorship. If not, then Al Qadi can appoint a new Director of Football in May.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 4, 2021 17:33:52 GMT
TW produced a list of players, he did not build the squad. He got players for GC that he did not think were the best fit for long term future. So in this blame culture you want him in front line so he can fail and be gone.
Garners biggest issue I think was he did not build a squad, he just got in players.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 4, 2021 17:37:15 GMT
By the end of this week you might understand. What does that mean? Stop being cryptic and spell it out. If we can get two good results this week then I think B***** will lay off lambasting the club and concentrate on the football. If we don’t then I suspect he will step it up a gear and we will hear what he really thinks of the training facilities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 17:41:48 GMT
TW produced a list of players, he did not build the squad. He got players for GC that he did not think were the best fit for long term future. So in this blame culture you want him in front line so he can fail and be gone. Garners biggest issue I think was he did not build a squad, he just got in players. I'm afraid that's not true. Taking responsibility for your employees is not blame culture. I want the man closest to the players, who recruited them, and who knows their strengths and weaknesses best, to do a caretaker job successfully, and for BRFC to remain a third division football club. They're his players, and he says they're good enough, and that it's a succession of bad managers who couldn't organise them into a coherent team that is to blame. If he's right, then he'll succeed as caretaker manager. If he's wrong, then he can seek employment elsewhere. Do you think he's got it in him? I hope he does.
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 4, 2021 17:57:38 GMT
After his first game, B***** said: "My mission here is to keep the team in the league this season". When did that change? He also said: "Of the remaining games, we'll be right where we need to be" Of our striking options, he said: "If you want that 15-20 goal a season player, I think we've got that in Brandon Hanlan" This from someone who impressed with their knowledge of the club and the division and the homework they'd done on our players. Now looking like a contractor who went in with the lowest bid and is now slapping in claim after claim to cover their losses What would you have sooner BG said "Hanlon couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo and I haven't a clue who's going to score the goals to keep us in L1"?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 18:03:02 GMT
TW produced a list of players, he did not build the squad. He got players for GC that he did not think were the best fit for long term future. So in this blame culture you want him in front line so he can fail and be gone. Garners biggest issue I think was he did not build a squad, he just got in players. I agree there is a blame culture but it is nothing to do with a fans online forum. The source of the blame culture is loud and clear. GC was too dignified and professional to apportion blame for leaving the club. He went as far as saying he’d taken the club as far as he could. I don’t think anyone believed the family excuse. If what you say is true and TW did not think that group and what GC was achieving with them was the best for our future, and he played any part in GCs departure as is alleged he did with PT, then the level of sheer incompetence of this bloke is absolutely staggering. One thing I would give JB credit for is he does seem to be calling TW out albeit without naming him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 18:03:41 GMT
After his first game, B***** said: "My mission here is to keep the team in the league this season". When did that change? He also said: "Of the remaining games, we'll be right where we need to be" Of our striking options, he said: "If you want that 15-20 goal a season player, I think we've got that in Brandon Hanlan" This from someone who impressed with their knowledge of the club and the division and the homework they'd done on our players. Now looking like a contractor who went in with the lowest bid and is now slapping in claim after claim to cover their losses What would you have sooner BG said "Hanlon couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo and I haven't a clue who's going to score the goals to keep us in L1"? He could have said nothing about it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 19:07:46 GMT
TW produced a list of players, he did not build the squad. He got players for GC that he did not think were the best fit for long term future. So in this blame culture you want him in front line so he can fail and be gone. Garners biggest issue I think was he did not build a squad, he just got in players. But why aren’t you questioning the list of players? I made a thread that didn’t get much traction asking about why people assume that the list of players was a valuable resource in the first place. I point to Hanlan as a case in point of why that is a foolish assumption. Garner wanted a centre forward to replace JCH- Widdrington’s database barfed up Hanlan’s name. How on Earth is Hanlan in the list of names for a centre forward?! He played mostly for the Gills as a winger yet Garner gives him the number 9 shirt and then plays him up top to no great effect. That all stems from square pegs being offered as solutions to round holes by Widdrington. It was pointed out by a lad on the other forum that the likes of Ehmer and Westbrooke were all top of the stats charts in one particular area and it looks like Widdrington’s database highlighted this crop of players based on statistics rather than in the flesh scouting where they would surely have seen that Westbrooke has all the heart of a pea and is not the sort of player you want in your team when the chips are down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 19:13:32 GMT
TW produced a list of players, he did not build the squad. He got players for GC that he did not think were the best fit for long term future. So in this blame culture you want him in front line so he can fail and be gone. Garners biggest issue I think was he did not build a squad, he just got in players. I agree there is a blame culture but it is nothing to do with a fans online forum. The source of the blame culture is loud and clear. GC was too dignified and professional to apportion blame for leaving the club. He went as far as saying he’d taken the club as far as he could. I don’t think anyone believed the family excuse. If what you say is true and TW did not think that group and what GC was achieving with them was the best for our future, and he played any part in GCs departure as is alleged he did with PT, then the level of sheer incompetence of this bloke is absolutely staggering. One thing I would give JB credit for is he does seem to be calling TW out albeit without naming him. I love D.C. to bits but him introducing Widdrington to the club was worse in the long run than signing Bennett. All widdrington has to show for his time at Rovers is the sale of JCH vastly eclipsed by the cost of this squad of technical players he said he wanted to move to in a podcast and his previous signings bar JCH all playing in league 2. If and when he gets the boot don’t be expecting the likes of Peterborough, Sunderland or any team that wants to get promoted to be queueing up for his Midas touch or a cheeky look at his database. Meanwhile Accrington and Gillingham are out there putting squads together on a shoestring and competing for promotion. Where were those players names in Widdrington’s database? We’re they even in there? How did we manage to strengthen Gillingham by taking two players off their hands?
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