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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 12:16:48 GMT
I don’t know which is worse. The fact Garner is being used as some kind of benchmark, or that B***** is failing to meet that benchmark
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Post by george on Apr 3, 2021 15:32:31 GMT
I'm still awaiting a credible reality replacement suggestion if JAB out..... ? It would be interesting to know who if anybody applied or was interviewed after Tisdale's departure. It sounded like we went all out for one target and agreed to all of his demands. With the current squad I would replace from within, Widdrington and Maher until at least the end of the season. (I would have done this as soon as Tisdale was sacked) I bet the results wouldn't be any worse and they wouldn't constantly blame the players for damaging their CV's. So you would replace JB with possibly the 2 biggest problem people at BRFC. Can't believe what i am reading. The current problems are from within and you want to replace him from within -- Look Steve you are on the wrong forum. You need to go back to OTIB.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 3, 2021 15:33:56 GMT
It would be interesting to know who if anybody applied or was interviewed after Tisdale's departure. It sounded like we went all out for one target and agreed to all of his demands. With the current squad I would replace from within, Widdrington and Maher until at least the end of the season. (I would have done this as soon as Tisdale was sacked) I bet the results wouldn't be any worse and they wouldn't constantly blame the players for damaging their CV's. So you would replace JB with possibly the 2 biggest problem people at BRFC. Can't believe what i am reading. The current problems are from within and you want to replace him from within -- Look Steve you are on the wrong forum. You need to go back to OTIB. Steve ? 😂😂😂😂.
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Post by Rex on Apr 3, 2021 15:43:15 GMT
I thought it was bizarre to sack Tisdale. It would be bizarrerer to sack B***** now.
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Post by harrybuckle on Apr 3, 2021 17:57:35 GMT
I thought it was bizarre to sack Tisdale. It would be bizarrerer to sack B***** now. Tisdale will have saved us I am convinced but was not given the opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 18:07:55 GMT
Tisdale will have saved us I am convinced but was not given the opportunity. Note the date, Guzzlers, for today's the day I agree with Mike. The worst thing that happened this season was the sacking of Tisdale before anything he was trying to improve could possibly be fully realised, after it is alleged (by credible sources) that Tisdale's performance had been hampered anyway by other staff undermining him. 2020-1 should have remained the Garner-Tisdale season, with 2021-2 the Tisdale season. This Garner-Tisdale-B***** 2020-1 sackathon has been an absolute Presidential disaster for which Al Qadi should hang his head in shame.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 18:35:49 GMT
Tisdale will have saved us I am convinced but was not given the opportunity. Note the date, Guzzlers, for today's the day I agree with Mike. The worst thing that happened this season was the sacking of Tisdale before anything he was trying to improve could possibly be fully realised, after it is alleged (by credible sources) that Tisdale's performance had been hampered anyway by other staff undermining him. 2020-1 should have remained the Garner-Tisdale season, with 2021-2 the Tisdale season. This Garner-Tisdale-B***** 2020-1 sackathon has been an absolute Presidential disaster for which Al Qadi should hang his head in shame. I agree with this and have also heard from very credible sources that Tisdale was hampered by being undermined, which was as good as confirmed by Tommy’s childish attempt at a post match interview after the Portsmouth game
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Post by george on Apr 3, 2021 18:36:47 GMT
Tisdale will have saved us I am convinced but was not given the opportunity. Note the date, Guzzlers, for today's the day I agree with Mike. The worst thing that happened this season was the sacking of Tisdale before anything he was trying to improve could possibly be fully realised, after it is alleged (by credible sources) that Tisdale's performance had been hampered anyway by other staff undermining him. 2020-1 should have remained the Garner-Tisdale season, with 2021-2 the Tisdale season. This Garner-Tisdale-B***** 2020-1 sackathon has been an absolute Presidential disaster for which Al Qadi should hang his head in shame. That was only the second thing that was right. Tisdale should have signed a Centre Forward -- Why did'nt he ? The man was a complete flop and as MK fans have already stated had no experiance of managing in the Third division. And when i say right . I mean both Garner & Tisdale were sacked for the right reasons. The failure to sign an adequate strike force and that is why we are going down. Sorry nothing to do with JB.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 18:39:42 GMT
Note the date, Guzzlers, for today's the day I agree with Mike. The worst thing that happened this season was the sacking of Tisdale before anything he was trying to improve could possibly be fully realised, after it is alleged (by credible sources) that Tisdale's performance had been hampered anyway by other staff undermining him. 2020-1 should have remained the Garner-Tisdale season, with 2021-2 the Tisdale season. This Garner-Tisdale-B***** 2020-1 sackathon has been an absolute Presidential disaster for which Al Qadi should hang his head in shame. That was only the second thing that was right. Tisdale should have signed a Centre Forward -- Why did'nt he ? The man was a complete flop and as MK fans have already stated had no experiance of managing in the Third division. And when i say right . I mean both Garner & Tisdale were sacked for the right reasons. The failure to sign an adequate strike force and that is why we are going down. Sorry nothing to do with JB. So if and when we go down, it has nothing to do with JB?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 18:53:30 GMT
Tisdale will have saved us I am convinced but was not given the opportunity. Note the date, Guzzlers, for today's the day I agree with Mike. The worst thing that happened this season was the sacking of Tisdale before anything he was trying to improve could possibly be fully realised, after it is alleged (by credible sources) that Tisdale's performance had been hampered anyway by other staff undermining him. 2020-1 should have remained the Garner-Tisdale season, with 2021-2 the Tisdale season. This Garner-Tisdale-B***** 2020-1 sackathon has been an absolute Presidential disaster for which Al Qadi should hang his head in shame. I don’t agree Tisdale *would* have kept us up. But let’s be fair he couldn’t possibly be doing any worse than B***** if Tisdale had been left in post. One thing that seems to have become abundantly clear however, from Holloway’s words, hints by others on here and on Gaschat and the infamous Portsmouth post match interview is that Tisdale was forced to work under restrictions that B***** is blatantly not. For that I have to blame Wael. We can see he failed to adequately support Tisdale. He backed Widdrington over the manager but now appears to be backing B*****. Why? Because he’s star struck, I guess. Look at Tisdale’s record compared to B*****’s both at Rovers and generally in management. B***** has done nothing whilst here to display why he should be allowed to shout his mouth off and survive whilst Tisdale wasn’t. It’s clear favouritism based not on ability but on instagram likes and it lowers Wael’s credibility even further when it was already heading to rock bottom as it is. B***** is being treated like the golden child. He can say what he likes whilst in no danger of losing his job and presumably has complete freedom over team selection with Widdrington told to keep his beak out. Yet more catastrophic ownership, allowing mutiny on his watch resulting in a third manager of the season. It all comes back to him and his inability to back managers when he should and fire them at the right time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 18:58:33 GMT
After his first game, B***** said: "My mission here is to keep the team in the league this season". When did that change?
He also said: "Of the remaining games, we'll be right where we need to be"
Of our striking options, he said: "If you want that 15-20 goal a season player, I think we've got that in Brandon Hanlan"
This from someone who impressed with their knowledge of the club and the division and the homework they'd done on our players. Now looking like a contractor who went in with the lowest bid and is now slapping in claim after claim to cover their losses
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 19:16:57 GMT
After his first game, B***** said: "My mission here is to keep the team in the league this season". When did that change? He also said: "Of the remaining games, we'll be right where we need to be" Of our striking options, he said: "If you want that 15-20 goal a season player, I think we've got that in Brandon Hanlan" This from someone who impressed with their knowledge of the club and the division and the homework they'd done on our players. Now looking like a contractor who went in with the lowest bid and is now slapping in claim after claim to cover their losses Yes. Exactly this. I’d like to see him be challenged on this. It’s a turnaround of Jekyll and Hyde proportions. It seems to me when he came in he knew sod all about our players and was just bluffing it, in his head he was thinking “I’m the great Joey B***** I can get this lot playing”. Exactly like when he said he was going to dominate Scottish football. As soon as he lost to Charlton he realised that this job might be too big for him and since then he’s been battling a sort of inner existential crisis where he has been forced to stare his fallibility in the face. Unlike at Rangers where he was able to quit after his humiliation at the hands of Scott Brown he knows that if he quits at Rovers his stock will be through the floor, he also knows that if we go down under his watch his stock will be through the floor. So he has to stay and try and launder his reputation in public whilst trying to manufacture an exit that makes him look good. Despite what he says about rebuilding, he doesn’t want to be here. Rest assured of that.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 3, 2021 20:20:39 GMT
Note the date, Guzzlers, for today's the day I agree with Mike. The worst thing that happened this season was the sacking of Tisdale before anything he was trying to improve could possibly be fully realised, after it is alleged (by credible sources) that Tisdale's performance had been hampered anyway by other staff undermining him. 2020-1 should have remained the Garner-Tisdale season, with 2021-2 the Tisdale season. This Garner-Tisdale-B***** 2020-1 sackathon has been an absolute Presidential disaster for which Al Qadi should hang his head in shame. I agree with this and have also heard from very credible sources that Tisdale was hampered by being undermined, which was as good as confirmed by Tommy’s childish attempt at a post match interview after the Portsmouth game What credible sources, did I miss something?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 20:40:18 GMT
I agree with this and have also heard from very credible sources that Tisdale was hampered by being undermined, which was as good as confirmed by Tommy’s childish attempt at a post match interview after the Portsmouth game What credible sources, did I miss something? Apologies, I take that back. I hate it when others do that and I shouldn’t have said that. What I would say though is I’m fairly sure Tisdales statement alluded to it and Tommy couldn’t wait to throw him under a bus
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 3, 2021 21:30:56 GMT
I'm still neutral about JAB in or out. That's why I have not voted. As far as I see it: We have appeared to be not rolled over under JAB matches and our results haven't reflected our overall performances. In general. We have a previous history morally repugnant off pitch history manager. We have played youth players that have been forced because of injury and form that have had positive influence. Some baffling starting position lineup and inclusion, coupled with strange substitutions make me wonder whether JAB has fully understood each player's potential? We have set up our defence that has haemorrhaged goals prior, that can only be breached by the odd goal (apart from Hull City) and look more confident apart from 11mins v Ipswich. We have had no services from Jaak, Nicholson, Ogogogo, Hare, Harries, Alfie, Grant 100% all through his tenure. His post match comments centre on officials decisions that affected matches apart from his own. These players aren't his choosing. He appears pre match comments to be getting in his excuses early as if to rely on them at a later date....that might be a normal management trait and blame previous? I still think it's a polarised opinion..... most, not all, but most will have been reinforced in their opinion and probably not changed? I'm still awaiting a credible reality replacement suggestion if JAB out..... ? I agree. I haven’t voted, it won’t have any effect whatever the result is. All it confirms is that the fanbase is totally divided with both sides making valid points over “in” or “out” choices. I tend to agree with your points o2. From the way it played out when BG went I would suggest that Tis was already the clear favourite to be appointed with only the details to be sorted. When Tis went it took a bit longer but in both cases I’m not sure that a full and thought out process occurred. I may be wrong and there was a full process but I doubt it. So the question to be asked if B***** goes who next. It’s no good just ridding ourselves of a manager because he’s not liked without having an answer to the question. It would be good to have a longer appointment process gone through. People talk about BRFC being an embarrassment, they may be correct but that’s because we’ve gone through two permanent managers and would be on our 4th if B***** was got rid of. I’d suggest the football industry doesn’t share our concerns about JBs life outside football and so doesn’t have much of an opinion about what we on here might be concerned about. All they would notice is BRFC having their 4th manager of the season. The stats show a miserable picture of all the managers we’ve had this season except Tommy W! So I’m not over concerned with ppg, they’ve all been awful. But if you don’t score goals you don’t win football matches, it’s always been a simple equation. I didn’t really want JB but, imo, the performances under him have been way better than performances under anyone else. Probably not a popular view but at least we’ve played some decent football, played on the front foot, have defended better (yes, I saw the first 10 minutes against Ipswich as well but I hope you get my drift) and had more shots on target. What B***** has failed to do is stop better performing defenders from making individual errors at bad times and he’s failed to get the strikers to score. We recruited what looked like good CHs in the Summer but they’ve failed, but we didn’t recruit strikers and neither did Tis. I could guess who’s fault that is but I’ve no real proof who’s fault it is. But it certainly isn’t JBs fault. It’s not his team yet as manager he carries the can, managers always do. I would like to see him recruit his own players, I think we could see some exciting football with him but we may not get the chance! June 8th may make the decision for us. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 21:49:30 GMT
It would be interesting to know who if anybody applied or was interviewed after Tisdale's departure. It sounded like we went all out for one target and agreed to all of his demands. With the current squad I would replace from within, Widdrington and Maher until at least the end of the season. (I would have done this as soon as Tisdale was sacked) I bet the results wouldn't be any worse and they wouldn't constantly blame the players for damaging their CV's. So you would replace JB with possibly the 2 biggest problem people at BRFC. Can't believe what i am reading. The current problems are from within and you want to replace him from within -- Look Steve you are on the wrong forum. You need to go back to OTIB. They can't do any worse than the current chump who has returned 5 defeats on a trot and taken the club into the bottom 4. Other than that Joey is our hero.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 21:51:31 GMT
So you would replace JB with possibly the 2 biggest problem people at BRFC. Can't believe what i am reading. The current problems are from within and you want to replace him from within -- Look Steve you are on the wrong forum. You need to go back to OTIB. Steve ? 😂😂😂😂. I'm Steve and so is my Brother.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 22:09:50 GMT
What do people have against Maher? He came in under GC and was successful and has been a coach ever since when we haven’t been. He doesn’t sign the players or pick the team, and I’ve no idea if he’s a good coach or not.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 3, 2021 22:31:15 GMT
I'm Steve and so is my Brother. Nice to meet you Stevie boy 👍🏻
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 22:40:28 GMT
What credible sources, did I miss something? Apologies, I take that back. I hate it when others do that and I shouldn’t have said that. What I would say though is I’m fairly sure Tisdale's statement alluded to it and Tommy couldn’t wait to throw him under a bus Fair play, a simple retraction when something is challenged and all it takes is a quick 'sorry' to put everything right. Having said that, what you said earlier would join a lot of dots together and would fit exactly with Widdrington's crowing interview after the Portsmouth game.
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