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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 13:57:39 GMT
I’m on the fence with Wael. If you’d told me after the takeover and the day after we were introduced to Michael Cunnah that in 5 years time all we’d have is a couple of tents added I’d have been deflated.
It’s been a slow descent into being grateful for continuing to plug the black hole that brings us to where we are, although when somebody buys a football club they are also taking on the responsibility of doing that anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 13:58:50 GMT
Would you say then that Gaschat is not representatative of the fan base as a whole KP? Certainly from reading that you would think that B***** is loved by all Yes, there are still a huge amount who don’t use any forum. I talk to a fair few and his appointment is something a fair few have questioned. It’s a bit like when we go to games, you get a much better understanding of the true feelings One in three approval rate amongst those I've asked. Gaschat tends to attract the younger element who think it's cool to have a well known Gaffer regardless of misdemeanours. This forum is full of old farts.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 2, 2021 14:00:52 GMT
I read this as he ballsed up but with good intent. If that is the case then he really needs to look at those around him , who are running the club in his absence. I really hope lessons have been learned but , if we ever get back to going, I’m not paying £26 to sit in a tent & watch L2, again. Someone said that to have a rainbow you need a little rain, well I’m sick of being soaked and am bitterly disappointed that we let go so much hard work. Completely understand Kp, and in most ways I'm with you. And I tend to agree with the ballsed up with good intentions......whom hasn't done this? Thing is, there wasn't much criticism on forums that I could see of the way Starnes and Widders were doing their job? Or the way Wael employed/associated anyone whom was a criminal 15 months ago? There was a fair bit about MS
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 2, 2021 14:01:06 GMT
Business interruption is a coverage Pandemic/Epidemic/Communicable Disease are perils If the peril is the cause of a loss, then the insurance policy responds to the extent of the coverage Business interruption is still available for most perils - eg Fire - but not for Pandemic Will have to bow to your superior knowledge on this as there was never a pandemic, plague of rats etc that I had to navigate through. Have just been listening to radio adverts where ambulance chasing type companies are inviting business owners who had cover in place and have been told that cover was not applicable for Covid to make contact as it appears that some policies did in fact offer some protection. But as is the Rovers way now, everything is shrouded in secrecy, so we'll never find out what that £3m figure actually relates to and how it was covered. I guess we'll find out when this year's accounts are released what the true losses are, given were usually losing £1m/£2m a year losing £3m this year wouldn't be a surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 14:01:47 GMT
Oh I agree. I wasn't convinced myself, so I went up the ground v Swindon. They bloody wouldn't let me in! I tried really hard but Nope, no crowds allowed! They said apparently its due to a global pandemic or something. God knows where they got that from, probably Wael or Gorringe making it up. Such secrecy. In case anybody was in any doubt that this poster is just making stuff up and has zero evidence, here's your proof. Asked to demonstrate what he claimed he goes on to make a statement unrelated in any way to how the claimed £3m shortfall is being funded but references the reason for the shortfall. It's fine if contradiction wants to just blindly support Wael, good for him, choose a position and run with it, but at least he could be honest and admit that's what he's doing. For me, I'll sway more towards the Swiss model of robust research and when questioned providing data and links to resources rather than just saying that you decided to guess what you thought may be right, or went along with what felt comfortable.
Cant for the life of me think of anything being made up.
You could try doing the maths though, try 23 x say 3500 @ £20 a game
Then the same for season ticket holders
Then corporate hospitality, say 500/600 meals per game x 23 Them commercial stuff
christ, its not difficult.
If you wish to do forensic analysis feel free.
You've been told there is no insurance, but you are seemingly ignoring that (no suprise)
It could be an old comedy film 'Carry On Analysing' with the same joke being re told by the same few characters.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 2, 2021 14:02:27 GMT
Yes, there are still a huge amount who don’t use any forum. I talk to a fair few and his appointment is something a fair few have questioned. It’s a bit like when we go to games, you get a much better understanding of the true feelings One in three approval rate amongst those I've asked. Gaschat tends to attract the younger element who think it's cool to have a well known Gaffer regardless of misdemeanours. This forum is full of old farts. That’s so true. Looking at photos of away days and I look at myself as like seeing a different bloke lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 14:07:43 GMT
In case anybody was in any doubt that this poster is just making stuff up and has zero evidence, here's your proof. Asked to demonstrate what he claimed he goes on to make a statement unrelated in any way to how the claimed £3m shortfall is being funded but references the reason for the shortfall. It's fine if contradiction wants to just blindly support Wael, good for him, choose a position and run with it, but at least he could be honest and admit that's what he's doing. For me, I'll sway more towards the Swiss model of robust research and when questioned providing data and links to resources rather than just saying that you decided to guess what you thought may be right, or went along with what felt comfortable.
Cant for the life of me think of anything being made up.
You could try doing the maths though, try 23 x say £20 a game
Then the same for season tickets Then corporate hospitality, say 500/600 meals per game x 23 Them commercial stuff
christ, its not difficult.
If you wish to do forensic analysis feel free.
You've been told there is no insurance, but you are seemingly ignoring that (no suprise)
It could be an old comedy film 'Carry On Analysing' with the same joke being re told by the same few characters.
You are either silly or are just pretending to be silly. Let's try again. You are just making assertions about how the alleged £3m has been covered and have not demonstrated in what way anything that you say is justified. But if this is the game then I'll do the same. There was a shortfall of £3m, but it's all been made up by a PL grant and the commercial sponsors all agreed to pay extra so it hasn't cost Wael a penny. There you go. What's that, you don't think that's correct and want evidence? Well, who would have thunk it...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 14:09:27 GMT
One in three approval rate amongst those I've asked. Gaschat tends to attract the younger element who think it's cool to have a well known Gaffer regardless of misdemeanours. This forum is full of old farts. That’s so true. Looking at photos of away days and I look at myself as like seeing a different bloke lol What's the saying KP, you know you are getting a bit older when one day you look in the mirror and see your Father looking back at you?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 14:28:52 GMT
Honestly don't know about normal insurance to cover interruption of business and whether this would be covered or not? Is furloughing included? Would the shedding of higher paid players be included in the £3m? Is £3m equivalent of pocket change to Wael? Are these points even relevant?! Re JAB appointment, tend to agree but what other choices of a manager in February was there that had achievement on our budget, or getting a club out of trouble (sorry, play on your words!)? It was relevant enough to be mentioned in his letter. So it's one of 3 things. It's either uninsurable in this industry, in which case it's a risk taken on when buying a FC, but literally nobody saw this coming, so if that's the case then fair play to him for covering that £3m. It's insured, so why mention it. It's insurable but we didn't have cover, in which case, who lost their job for that oversight, not so much for not making sure there was a specific policy covering fully 12 months of lost income, but for not covering us for cancellations that are out of our control.
Looks like we can close this particular forensic case then. There is no insurance cover available.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 14:39:50 GMT
It was relevant enough to be mentioned in his letter. So it's one of 3 things. It's either uninsurable in this industry, in which case it's a risk taken on when buying a FC, but literally nobody saw this coming, so if that's the case then fair play to him for covering that £3m. It's insured, so why mention it. It's insurable but we didn't have cover, in which case, who lost their job for that oversight, not so much for not making sure there was a specific policy covering fully 12 months of lost income, but for not covering us for cancellations that are out of our control.
Looks like we can close this particular forensic case then. There is no insurance cover available.
Just more assertions. You know nothing, and make that more apparent with each post. One of the things about growing up is being able to accept that you are wrong sometimes, we all are. You'll get there one day and will feel liberated by the realisation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 14:57:53 GMT
Looks like we can close this particular forensic case then. There is no insurance cover available.
Just more assertions. You know nothing, and make that more apparent with each post. One of the things about growing up is being able to accept that you are wrong sometimes, we all are. You'll get there one day and will feel liberated by the realisation.
No assertions from me, I'm agreeing with what you said above, its in black & white! Another poster has confirmed no BI cover available for global pandemic, which you acknowledged and accepted.
So no assertions from me. Perhaps you plan on having an argument with yourself over what you posted.
Anyway, have a good easter & take care
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 2, 2021 15:08:15 GMT
That’s so true. Looking at photos of away days and I look at myself as like seeing a different bloke lol What's the saying KP, you know you are getting a bit older when one day you look in the mirror and see your Father looking back at you? I just see this old bustard that is bloody quick. I’ve tried catching him and I intend to give him a good thrashing, if I catch the bugger 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 15:12:55 GMT
Just more assertions. You know nothing, and make that more apparent with each post. One of the things about growing up is being able to accept that you are wrong sometimes, we all are. You'll get there one day and will feel liberated by the realisation.
No assertions from me, I'm agreeing with what you said above, its in black & white! Another poster has confirmed no BI cover available for global pandemic, which you acknowledged and accepted.
So no assertions from me. Perhaps you plan on having an argument with yourself over what you posted.
Anyway, have a good easter & take care
Your issue is, as has been demonstrated multiple times, we have no idea if £3m is accurate, what it relates to, or whether Wael is covering it all. As already said, I've put forward, with just as much evidence as you've provided, an entirely different proposition, so what now? If you expect to be taken seriously with zero evidence then you also have to accept my version, and the 2 explanations are mutually exclusive, so you have a problem don't you. Go get some evidence then pop back, until then all you are doing is going round, and round, and round. Come to think of it, this is all feeling remarkably familiar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 16:31:30 GMT
No assertions from me, I'm agreeing with what you said above, its in black & white! Another poster has confirmed no BI cover available for global pandemic, which you acknowledged and accepted.
So no assertions from me. Perhaps you plan on having an argument with yourself over what you posted.
Anyway, have a good easter & take care
Your issue is, as has been demonstrated multiple times, we have no idea if £3m is accurate, what it relates to, or whether Wael is covering it all. As already said, I've put forward, with just as much evidence as you've provided, an entirely different proposition, so what now? If you expect to be taken seriously with zero evidence then you also have to accept my version, and the 2 explanations are mutually exclusive, so you have a problem don't you. Go get some evidence then pop back, until then all you are doing is going round, and round, and round. Come to think of it, this is all feeling remarkably familiar.
Bit confused as to what your issue is here. The owner says he is commmitted to funding the club through the pandemic and beyond, and estimates the pandemic as costing the club £3 million.
Are you saying that is not the case then and he is not funding the club through the pandemic and beyond?
You say you have put forward and entirley different proposition, but what it is I have no idea unless its the above.
If you are saying the est £3m is wrong of course you wont get that confirmed until the accounts close, and you can compare X vs Y. I cant give you that Im afraid, nor can anyone else.
But as pointed out, its very obvious where much of it comes from. I dont know what evidence that you want that is not already staring everyone in the face when tuning into IFollow along with every other club. Then use the calculator on your phone.
But as someone else pointed out, is this even relevent?
Perhaps its just a case of wanting to bash the owner come what may. You aint gonna get any evidence to stop that.
But feel free to search for "football Club Business Interuption insurance for global pandemics"
I wouldn't bother though, I would chill and enjoy and easter egg or two instead.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 2, 2021 20:34:31 GMT
Many Gasheads will find this open letter reinforces their feeling that Wael is a very nice man but it also shows why he is not a successful one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 20:37:44 GMT
Many Gasheads will find this open letter reinforces their feeling that Wael is a very nice man but it also shows why he is not a successful one.
And Im sure more successful than everyone on here
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Post by swissgas on Apr 2, 2021 20:40:30 GMT
Many Gasheads will find this open letter reinforces their feeling that Wael is a very nice man but it also shows why he is not a successful one.
And Im sure more successful than everyone on here
How are you sure ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 20:45:12 GMT
And Im sure more successful than everyone on here
How are you sure ?
Just a hunch
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 20:52:18 GMT
Many Gasheads will find this open letter reinforces their feeling that Wael is a very nice man but it also shows why he is not a successful one.
And Im sure more successful than everyone on here
Just a hunch like, but I’m pretty sure I’d be more successful than anyone on here if my daddy owned a bank. Wael is hardly self made is he? Reading between the lines it seems he was bought Rovers to give him something to occupy his time while his siblings got to run rather more serious concerns. Given the utter mess he has made of it it’s not hard to see why.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 2, 2021 21:09:44 GMT
And Im sure more successful than everyone on here
Just a hunch like, but I’m pretty sure I’d be more successful than anyone on here if my daddy owned a bank. Wael is hardly self made is he? Reading between the lines it seems he was bought Rovers to give him something to occupy his time while his siblings got to run rather more serious concerns. Given the utter mess he has made of it it’s not hard to see why. The AJIB have just announced profits of £ 12 million for 2020 of which the entire Al-Qadi family dividend share is just over £3 million. The Four Seasons hotel in Amman lost money in 2020 How Wael is able to fund Rovers losses of £4 or £5 million per year is a complete mystery.
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