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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 9:56:23 GMT
It's singularly the most divisive appointment in the 50+ years I've followed the club. You mean a dozen people moaning on a minor internet forum Far from it. As I've explained to you previously, you saw what people really think of B***** when threads were created on Rovers forums commenting on his arrival at Fleetwood.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 10:03:16 GMT
Wael's being made to sound delusional now. B***** is going to galvanise the fan base! It's singularly the most divisive appointment in the 50+ years I've followed the club. He's then quoted as claiming that the club's 'family and community ethos' were a factor in the appointment. It's beyond parody. I have no idea who writes this nonsense for Wael, but they are an absolute idiot. I think the appointment of Ben Garner created more divide. Most people thought Garner was a manager for the future and seemed to buy in to that appointment. The evidence was all there though, plenty of comment on the internet around places where he had previously worked, and easy to see the dreadful standard of football in India, may as well have gone to The Downs and grabbed a manager from the sidelines there.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 2, 2021 10:09:12 GMT
I think the appointment of Ben Garner created more divide. Most people thought Garner was a manager for the future and seemed to buy in to that appointment. Who wouldn't buy the idea and principles? It's very seductive. Unfortunately, anyone attending matches couldn't really support it in full if they were honest without referring to 'hope' or 'future' and choosing to ignore what they had seen with their own peepers. That continued to be the main divide when we weren't allowed to attend too.
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Post by vaughan on Apr 2, 2021 10:12:23 GMT
Just to demonstrate that there is a return on my first bible class and on this holy day of Good Friday..
Ref Wael
"who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three seasons later he will rise"
Book of Mark Chapter 10 Verse 34
#waelbearsgarnerssins
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 2, 2021 10:17:57 GMT
Maybe a stone heavily discussed as an Easter egg through his window too
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 10:21:21 GMT
Most people thought Garner was a manager for the future and seemed to buy in to that appointment. Who wouldn't buy the idea and principles? It's very seductive. Unfortunately, anyone attending matches couldn't really support it in full if they were honest without referring to 'hope' or 'future' and choosing to ignore what they had seen with their own peepers. That continued to be the main divide when we weren't allowed to attend too. Absolutely. I welcomed the guy originally. When we learned the details it was obviously very quickly that it wasn't going to work. And neither will B*****. If nothing else, he has zero track record of achievement on a budget that we can afford, and zero track record of not getting in to trouble regularly. It's a stupid appointment. One other thing about this letter. It mentions an additional loss of £3m, I'm guessing that there would be normal insurance in place to cover interruption of business, so why Wael felt the need to mention that I've no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 10:26:09 GMT
Just to demonstrate that there is a return on my first bible class and on this holy day of Good Friday.. Ref Wael "who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three seasons later he will rise" Book of Mark Chapter 10 Verse 34 #waelbearsgarnerssins I just love it when things get all Biblical. Here's one for you,
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 2, 2021 10:36:08 GMT
Who wouldn't buy the idea and principles? It's very seductive. Unfortunately, anyone attending matches couldn't really support it in full if they were honest without referring to 'hope' or 'future' and choosing to ignore what they had seen with their own peepers. That continued to be the main divide when we weren't allowed to attend too. Absolutely. I welcomed the guy originally. When we learned the details it was obviously very quickly that it wasn't going to work. And neither will B*****. If nothing else, he has zero track record of achievement on a budget that we can afford, and zero track record of not getting in to trouble regularly. It's a stupid appointment. One other thing about this letter. It mentions an additional loss of £3m, I'm guessing that there would be normal insurance in place to cover interruption of business, so why Wael felt the need to mention that I've no idea. Honestly don't know about normal insurance to cover interruption of business and whether this would be covered or not? Is furloughing included? Would the shedding of higher paid players be included in the £3m? Is £3m equivalent of pocket change to Wael? Are these points even relevant?! Re JAB appointment, tend to agree but what other choices of a manager in February was there that had achievement on our budget, or getting a club out of trouble (sorry, play on your words!)?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 10:42:43 GMT
Absolutely. I welcomed the guy originally. When we learned the details it was obviously very quickly that it wasn't going to work. And neither will B*****. If nothing else, he has zero track record of achievement on a budget that we can afford, and zero track record of not getting in to trouble regularly. It's a stupid appointment. One other thing about this letter. It mentions an additional loss of £3m, I'm guessing that there would be normal insurance in place to cover interruption of business, so why Wael felt the need to mention that I've no idea. Honestly don't know about normal insurance to cover interruption of business and whether this would be covered or not? Is furloughing included? Would the shedding of higher paid players be included in the £3m? Is £3m equivalent of pocket change to Wael? Are these points even relevant?! Re JAB appointment, tend to agree but what other choices of a manager in February was there that had achievement on our budget, or getting a club out of trouble (sorry, play on your words!)? It was relevant enough to be mentioned in his letter. So it's one of 3 things. It's either uninsurable in this industry, in which case it's a risk taken on when buying a FC, but literally nobody saw this coming, so if that's the case then fair play to him for covering that £3m. It's insured, so why mention it. It's insurable but we didn't have cover, in which case, who lost their job for that oversight, not so much for not making sure there was a specific policy covering fully 12 months of lost income, but for not covering us for cancellations that are out of our control.
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Post by vaughan on Apr 2, 2021 10:52:55 GMT
Just to demonstrate that there is a return on my first bible class and on this holy day of Good Friday.. Ref Wael "who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three seasons later he will rise" Book of Mark Chapter 10 Verse 34 #waelbearsgarnerssins I just love it when things get all Biblical. Here's one for you, Let's stay on topic, please "Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth and placed it in his own tomb thay he had cut out of the rock" Mathew 27:59 I suppose that you were the guard with the vinegar?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 2, 2021 11:10:20 GMT
Honestly don't know about normal insurance to cover interruption of business and whether this would be covered or not? Is furloughing included? Would the shedding of higher paid players be included in the £3m? Is £3m equivalent of pocket change to Wael? Are these points even relevant?! Re JAB appointment, tend to agree but what other choices of a manager in February was there that had achievement on our budget, or getting a club out of trouble (sorry, play on your words!)? It was relevant enough to be mentioned in his letter. So it's one of 3 things. It's either uninsurable in this industry, in which case it's a risk taken on when buying a FC, but literally nobody saw this coming, so if that's the case then fair play to him for covering that £3m. It's insured, so why mention it. It's insurable but we didn't have cover, in which case, who lost their job for that oversight, not so much for not making sure there was a specific policy covering fully 12 months of lost income, but for not covering us for cancellations that are out of our control. Maybe it's a sleight on a no claims bonus?! 😋
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 2, 2021 11:10:25 GMT
It's singularly the most divisive appointment in the 50+ years I've followed the club. You mean a dozen people moaning on a minor internet forum You are being facetious with this, all the rovers groups and fans are talking about B***** and court cases
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 2, 2021 11:14:25 GMT
Absolutely. I welcomed the guy originally. When we learned the details it was obviously very quickly that it wasn't going to work. And neither will B*****. If nothing else, he has zero track record of achievement on a budget that we can afford, and zero track record of not getting in to trouble regularly. It's a stupid appointment. One other thing about this letter. It mentions an additional loss of £3m, I'm guessing that there would be normal insurance in place to cover interruption of business, so why Wael felt the need to mention that I've no idea. Honestly don't know about normal insurance to cover interruption of business and whether this would be covered or not? Is furloughing included? Would the shedding of higher paid players be included in the £3m? Is £3m equivalent of pocket change to Wael? Are these points even relevant?! Re JAB appointment, tend to agree but what other choices of a manager in February was there that had achievement on our budget, or getting a club out of trouble (sorry, play on your words!)? Insurance was available pre-pandemic, but is not currently (for obvious reasons) It was not often bought, and where it was it was often seen as incidental (so that the wordings weren't very good - hence the high profile court cases) or cover was sublimited to, say, 1 month's income I haven't heard of anyone losing their job as a result of cover not having been purchased
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Post by bondigas on Apr 2, 2021 11:16:35 GMT
Where does he get the £3 million net from it should be gross ? I doubt if there is any insurance cover for football clubs. One thing he does need to find is a new communications company, it all comes across a bit like a student who keeps going to an ATM every week to draw down money but doesn't know what's in the account but it will be alright as long as his guardian keeps topping it up. I'm not sure I'd be highlighting B*****'s involvement with the Community Trust and as for the NHS visits he's responsible for many people receiving treatment at those centres. There is also this belief by the owner that B***** is innocent and his appearance in Sheffield Crown Court on June 7th is for a motoring offence not a well witnessed CTV recorded actual bodily harm assault. Even if he avoids a custodial sentence he could well face eighteen months imprisonment suspended for eighteen months; 250 hours’ unpaid work and a curfew at his home address from 2000 to 0600 for 3 months. How is he going to manage with that curfew hanging around his neck and do Rovers want their manager picking up litter in a high visibility jacket on the Downs all winter. As for the season ticket offer, can't wait for that, if your lucky it sounds as if all clubs will be allowed 30% of it's seating capacity, that means sell out crowds of 350 at the Mem. Deluded really sums up where the letter is at and as for the Board it doesn't exist, it's a front just to shield the owner from responsibility, he pulls the strings on everything, they are just happy to pick their pay cheques every month and say yes master.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 2, 2021 11:19:53 GMT
I choose to be supportive of Wael's carefully chosen words letter and timing to the fans. I think, with hindsight, it's been a classic stick or twist season......the timing of changes and the actual choices were in itself something which would divide the fanbase because of it's very nature. Because it's been a poor 15 months or 1.5 seasons. I'll just take my previous posts (because it's unfair to bring anyone else in)... I wanted a new manager for the start of the season and transfer window. MANY, INCLUDING WAEL DISAGREED. But I could see why Wael did what he did, and removed when he did. So, with hindsight, decisions have stemmed from a poor start. But, if Wael hadn't made his decisions at the time he did, one could level accusations he did nothing and didn't care.... negligent (as was last week's buzz word?)....a little bit like Higgs keys on the John Ward watch? In a way, at least Wael has tried to be pro active,no matter how misdirected that might have appeared to be. Wael has made decisions that I disagree with. At times I disagree with. I'm sure most of you will agree with this!? I just think the motivation for those decisions were taken with the best of intentions for the progression of the club, no matter how poor they were....no matter how delusional they are....no matter how poorly advised they appear to be. We can see there are problems on and off the pitch, I'm just putting our differences apart and support in a time of need... I read this as he ballsed up but with good intent. If that is the case then he really needs to look at those around him , who are running the club in his absence. I really hope lessons have been learned but , if we ever get back to going, I’m not paying £26 to sit in a tent & watch L2, again. Someone said that to have a rainbow you need a little rain, well I’m sick of being soaked and am bitterly disappointed that we let go so much hard work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 11:29:51 GMT
I just love it when things get all Biblical. Here's one for you, Let's stay on topic, please "Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth and placed it in his own tomb thay he had cut out of the rock" Mathew 27:59 I suppose that you were the guard with the vinegar? No, because the guard didn't exist, or at least there's nothing even close to evidence to suggest that any such thing ever happened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 11:33:03 GMT
Honestly don't know about normal insurance to cover interruption of business and whether this would be covered or not? Is furloughing included? Would the shedding of higher paid players be included in the £3m? Is £3m equivalent of pocket change to Wael? Are these points even relevant?! Re JAB appointment, tend to agree but what other choices of a manager in February was there that had achievement on our budget, or getting a club out of trouble (sorry, play on your words!)? Insurance was available pre-pandemic, but is not currently (for obvious reasons) It was not often bought, and where it was it was often seen as incidental (so that the wordings weren't very good - hence the high profile court cases) or cover was sublimited to, say, 1 month's income I haven't heard of anyone losing their job as a result of cover not having been purchased I always had cover for interruption of trade for my businesses when I was employing people. It gave me security and also meant that if something unforeseen happened I didn't even need to consider staff salaries, so everyone's employment was secured.
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 2, 2021 11:41:11 GMT
I've not heard one football club owner suggest that they had BI cover, can anybody prove it even existed before it becomes a forum facts that we were negligent in failing to purchase it?
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 2, 2021 11:42:43 GMT
Where does he get the £3 million net from it should be gross ? I doubt if there is any insurance cover for football clubs. One thing he does need to find is a new communications company, it all comes across a bit like a student who keeps going to an ATM every week to draw down money but doesn't know what's in the account but it will be alright as long as his guardian keeps topping it up. I'm not sure I'd be highlighting B*****'s involvement with the Community Trust and as for the NHS visits he's responsible for many people receiving treatment at those centres. There is also this belief by the owner that B***** is innocent and his appearance in Sheffield Crown Court on June 7th is for a motoring offence not a well witnessed CTV recorded actual bodily harm assault. Even if he avoids a custodial sentence he could well face eighteen months imprisonment suspended for eighteen months; 250 hours’ unpaid work and a curfew at his home address from 2000 to 0600 for 3 months. How is he going to manage with that curfew hanging around his neck and do Rovers want their manager picking up litter in a high visibility jacket on the Downs all winter. As for the season ticket offer, can't wait for that, if your lucky it sounds as if all clubs will be allowed 30% of it's seating capacity, that means sell out crowds of 350 at the Mem. Deluded really sums up where the letter is at and as for the Board it doesn't exist, it's a front just to shield the owner from responsibility, he pulls the strings on everything, they are just happy to pick their pay cheques every month and say yes master. I can't see any judge would impose a curfew order which stopped somebody from carrying out their employment, perhaps that's why JB decided to take a job miles from home!
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 2, 2021 11:45:51 GMT
Insurance was available pre-pandemic, but is not currently (for obvious reasons) It was not often bought, and where it was it was often seen as incidental (so that the wordings weren't very good - hence the high profile court cases) or cover was sublimited to, say, 1 month's income I haven't heard of anyone losing their job as a result of cover not having been purchased I always had cover for interruption of trade for my businesses when I was employing people. It gave me security and also meant that if something unforeseen happened I didn't even need to consider staff salaries, so everyone's employment was secured. Business interruption is a coverage Pandemic/Epidemic/Communicable Disease are perils If the peril is the cause of a loss, then the insurance policy responds to the extent of the coverage Business interruption is still available for most perils - eg Fire - but not for Pandemic
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