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Post by chelt_gas on Feb 23, 2021 21:41:32 GMT
So far it's all secured against bricks and mortar, so as far as I can figure out he hasn't exposed himself to any risk whatsoever. All he's done is mess up everything he's touched. Maybe, I am frustrated as you. But you are not answering the question. Who is going to put up the money? Lots want him out but have no solution as to who will replace him. A clueless club with players who don't have the guile, ability or willingness to win games for their managers, club or supporters, in freefall. Where are all the Gasheads with the millions? It’ll be far more beneficial building a Phoenix club from scratch than trying to rebuild the mess left once AL Q exits. After all, without bricks and mortar, rovers are only a licence to play in the football league with a declining customer base and a withering brand. It’ll be more fun starting from scratch. |
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Post by basel on Feb 23, 2021 21:42:25 GMT
Joey Barton,like Tisdale has a very difficult job to get this bunch to win enough points to stay up. These players collectively have proven they are not good enough. Off the field sounds like a crowded shambles. WAQs naive dream of bringing on youngsters improve,sell ,bring on more great youngsters,improve,get promoted,sell etc looks like a naive sack of useless day dreams. You wanna wake up mate! All this after the promotion challengers of the GC era dismantled. Un - bloody - believable! I don't want to do the 4th tier with this lot. He’s a fantasist who thinks pretty words and instagram pictures makes a successful club owner. The thing is, WAQ can be a useless business man but if he could just appoint a competent head of scouting and a guy who can spot a decent manager he’d be just under half way there. But he’s surrounded himself with mates and hangers on not proper football brains. It's looking very bad at Rovers wmgas. As you suggest,it needs WAQ to wake up Barton needs to be supported and allowed to eg get rid of some of these coaches.Tommy Widders should go but that needs WAQ to sack him. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 23, 2021 21:43:29 GMT
Yep. After a couple of very credible performances under Tommy when we start to think we can get out of this, under Barton back to certain relegation team and tactics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 21:44:36 GMT
Maybe, I am frustrated as you. But you are not answering the question. Who is going to put up the money? Lots want him out but have no solution as to who will replace him. A clueless club with players who don't have the guile, ability or willingness to win games for their managers, club or supporters, in freefall. Where are all the Gasheads with the millions? It’ll be far more beneficial building a Phoenix club from scratch than trying to rebuild the mess left once AL Q exits. After all, without bricks and mortar, rovers are only a licence to play in the football league with a declining customer base and a withering brand. It’ll be more fun starting from scratch. Waels money is finite. Rovers lose money with no sign of turning it round. Eventually it will run out. The parasites around him will run it down quicker, but I guess the question is where will we be and how much damage will be done between now and then? He may look for investors, but investing in what? |
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Post by phil74 on Feb 23, 2021 21:45:58 GMT
I don't think Barton will tear them off a strip. If he does that, he'll lose the team immediately. He doesn't know them yet and they don't know him.
He needs to calmly assert: this defeat tonight either makes or breaks you. Which one is it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 21:50:52 GMT
I don't think Barton will tear them off a strip. If he does that, he'll lose the team immediately. He doesn't know them yet and they don't know him. He needs to calmly assert: this defeat tonight either makes or breaks you. Which one is it? Agree with you Phil and makes sense - but according to Gaschatters he’s there to rip them a new one because they need it? Calmly asserting was Paul Tisdale’s approach. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 23, 2021 21:52:34 GMT
you Barton supporters are hysterically funny. What you claim is meaningful is meaningless. He didn’t achieve any of that with this squad. I'm not a supporter or non supporter, I'm pointing out facts. If JB can hit those stats with this squad we'll stay up. Looking less likely after tonight, admittedly.. The psychology of you Bartonista is a lesson we need to learn. he’s had one position, where despite Budget and time he failed. He has none of the personality traits that make a good manager, and many of the bad ones. How can anyone believe in him? Please one of you donate your brain to science so we can dissect it and find out what has gone wrong in there to be okay with this appointment. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 21:59:15 GMT
I'm not a supporter or non supporter, I'm pointing out facts. If JB can hit those stats with this squad we'll stay up. Looking less likely after tonight, admittedly.. The psychology of you Bartonista is a lesson we need to learn. he’s had one position, where despite Budget and time he failed. He has none of the personality traits that make a good manager, and many of the bad ones. How can anyone believe in him? Please one of you donate your brain to science so we can dissect it and find out what has gone wrong in there to be okay with this appointment. This is so right |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 22:07:51 GMT
So far it's all secured against bricks and mortar, so as far as I can figure out he hasn't exposed himself to any risk whatsoever. All he's done is mess up everything he's touched. Maybe, I am frustrated as you. But you are not answering the question. Who is going to put up the money? Lots want him out but have no solution as to who will replace him. A clueless club with players who don't have the guile, ability or willingness to win games for their managers, club or supporters, in freefall. Where are all the Gasheads with the millions? It's not an argument between you and me, we can do that between us, no problem at all, but this isn't a subject that we either should or need to be at odds over. The way I see it is that we have no idea who may step forward to take the club on if Wael doesn't investigate the options. And it's worth remembering that the cost of running the club just doesn't need to be £2 ~ 3m P/A, nor does the cost need to be carried by one individual. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 22:14:37 GMT
I don't think Barton will tear them off a strip. If he does that, he'll lose the team immediately. He doesn't know them yet and they don't know him. He needs to calmly assert: this defeat tonight either makes or breaks you. Which one is it? Agree with you Phil and makes sense - but according to Gaschatters he’s there to rip them a new one because they need it? Calmly asserting was Paul Tisdale’s approach. Shouting at them, yes, that's the answer, that'll turn them into better players. Who put this feeble squad together? Why weren't the obvious deficiencies dealt with in January? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 22:14:43 GMT
Maybe, I am frustrated as you. But you are not answering the question. Who is going to put up the money? Lots want him out but have no solution as to who will replace him. A clueless club with players who don't have the guile, ability or willingness to win games for their managers, club or supporters, in freefall. Where are all the Gasheads with the millions? It's not an argument between you and me, we can do that between us, no problem at all, but this isn't a subject that we either should or need to be at odds over. The way I see it is that we have no idea who may step forward to take the club on if Wael doesn't investigate the options. And it's worth remembering that the cost of running the club just doesn't need to be £2 ~ 3m P/A, nor does the cost need to be carried by one individual. I was reading last week that one League 2 club had repaid its only loan and asked its support group not to hand over anymore donations for the foreseeable future due to having to pay tax due to making large profits on transfer deals. I thought that Wael wanted that sort of sustainable structure but he is currently fooling me. Everything is loaded at the top end and we have failed with this structure for decades. |
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 23, 2021 22:27:16 GMT
Stats for the game are BRFC 53% of play, BRFC 20 shots to 4, BRFC 3 on target to 2 and BRFC 7 corners to 5.
Again we create many chances and cannot win this game v a team below us and are still below us.
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Post by The Concept on Feb 23, 2021 22:34:11 GMT
Yep. Beat me to it. Wigan = 2 shots on target and 2 goals.
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Post by swissgas on Feb 23, 2021 22:34:47 GMT
Maybe, I am frustrated as you. But you are not answering the question. Who is going to put up the money? Lots want him out but have no solution as to who will replace him. A clueless club with players who don't have the guile, ability or willingness to win games for their managers, club or supporters, in freefall. Where are all the Gasheads with the millions? It's not an argument between you and me, we can do that between us, no problem at all, but this isn't a subject that we either should or need to be at odds over. The way I see it is that we have no idea who may step forward to take the club on if Wael doesn't investigate the options. And it's worth remembering that the cost of running the club just doesn't need to be £2 ~ 3m P/A, nor does the cost need to be carried by one individual. This is a momentous issue which will have to be tackled at some point. I think Cheshire will agree that with the cost base we have (nearly £10 million pa in the 2019 accounts) a formal restructuring would be the only solution because no one will take on a business with our level of overheads. But, whereas most owners would be happy to be free of the burden and let someone else sort it out through a formal restructuring, Wael has made his position clear so any restructuring won't be straightforward. Then you have the problem of the Mem and the £10 million charge over it. Again, in a normal restructuring the main asset would be valued by taking it's worth to the business which as a football stadium may be a couple of million. But in this case we have a different situation because as a development site £10 million is more realistic and that is presumably what the charge holders will insist on being paid for it. So who will be willing to pay £10 million for a stadium worth a quarter of that and then have to bear the cost of making the restructured football business work ? The charge over the Mem and Wael's strong desire to keep hold of Rovers at seemingly any cost will severely limit the options available. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 22:46:56 GMT
It's not an argument between you and me, we can do that between us, no problem at all, but this isn't a subject that we either should or need to be at odds over. The way I see it is that we have no idea who may step forward to take the club on if Wael doesn't investigate the options. And it's worth remembering that the cost of running the club just doesn't need to be £2 ~ 3m P/A, nor does the cost need to be carried by one individual. This is a momentous issue which will have to be tackled at some point. I think Cheshire will agree that with the cost base we have (nearly £10 million pa in the 2019 accounts) a formal restructuring would be the only solution because no one will take on a business with our level of overheads. But, whereas most owners would be happy to be free of the burden and let someone else sort it out through a formal restructuring, Wael has made his position clear so any restructuring won't be straightforward. Then you have the problem of the Mem and the £10 million charge over it. Again, in a normal restructuring the main asset would be valued by taking it's worth to the business which as a football stadium may be a couple of million. But in this case we have a different situation because as a development site £10 million is more realistic and that is presumably what the charge holders will insist on being paid for it. So who will be willing to pay £10 million for a stadium worth a quarter of that and then have to bear the cost of making the restructured football business work ? The charge over the Mem and Wael's strong desire to keep hold of Rovers at seemingly any cost will severely limit the options available. You know what I think. The losses are mostly due to his own poor decision making, so he should act like both an adult and the Gashead that he claims to be, find someone with a credible business plan to take the club forward, write off the losses and hand our club over, genuinely debt free. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 23, 2021 22:55:14 GMT
Joey Barton,like Tisdale has a very difficult job to get this bunch to win enough points to stay up. These players collectively have proven they are not good enough. Off the field sounds like a crowded shambles. WAQs naive dream of bringing on youngsters improve,sell ,bring on more great youngsters,improve,get promoted,sell etc looks like a naive sack of useless day dreams. You wanna wake up mate! All this after the promotion challengers of the GC era dismantled. Un - bloody - believable! I don't want to do the 4th tier with this lot. He’s a fantasist who thinks pretty words and instagram pictures makes a successful club owner. The thing is, WAQ can be a useless business man but if he could just appoint a competent head of scouting and a guy who can spot a decent manager he’d be just under half way there. But he’s surrounded himself with mates and hangers on not proper football brains. I don’t believe he wants anyone who will challenge his thoughts. He’s proven that by shedding anyone who has, to date. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 23, 2021 22:59:16 GMT
Where is the new manager bounce ? Dear God, what has become of the club.
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Post by mangogas15 on Feb 23, 2021 23:14:53 GMT
Gutted, the size of the task for Barton is evident and the problems wouldn't go away overnight.
Give him time, a chance to build a winning mentality in this group.
If we do go down, does he stay? I'm sure it's been discussed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 23:20:13 GMT
Gutted, the size of the task for Barton is evident and the problems wouldn't go away overnight. Give him time, a chance to build a winning mentality in this group. If we do go down, does he stay? I'm sure it's been discussed. If that's the masterplan then in what way are we better off than we were with Tisdale? At lease he has respect within the game and isn't prone to attacking people. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 23:28:25 GMT
Maybe, I am frustrated as you. But you are not answering the question. Who is going to put up the money? Lots want him out but have no solution as to who will replace him. A clueless club with players who don't have the guile, ability or willingness to win games for their managers, club or supporters, in freefall. Where are all the Gasheads with the millions? It’ll be far more beneficial building a Phoenix club from scratch than trying to rebuild the mess left once AL Q exits. After all, without bricks and mortar, rovers are only a licence to play in the football league with a declining customer base and a withering brand. It’ll be more fun starting from scratch. And look how far Wimbledon came in the time we spent scratching our arses and dithering. Phoenix Rovers would be playing Barton Rovers in no time at all. |
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