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Post by bluetornados on Feb 13, 2022 12:04:26 GMT
Just for perspective following our recent 'upturn' in form Barton's league record with us is now as follows: P46 W13 D10 L23 F49 A63 Pts49 That is the equivalent to a full season and would STILL see us relegated in most situations. To put some perspective on that, we are now operating with virtually a totally different squad than the pig's ear which JB had to work with when he first arrived. Chalk and cheese, and the more recent results have shown this. You can look at stats in a number of ways, Bamber has gone for a full season equivalent, or Bath has mentioned recent results. If you look at Dec, Jan & Feb as recent then the stats read - P9, W4, D3, L2, F14, A10 & Points 15. If we perform the same in the next 9 games we will take in, Sutton (h), Stevenage (a), Orient (a), Exeter (h), Barrow (h), Newport (a), Crawley (a), Harrogate (h) & Colchester (h). I would be reasonably happy to take 15 points from those 9 games, which are 5 above us in the table as it stands today and 4 below.
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Post by alasitsgas on Feb 15, 2022 21:53:44 GMT
over the years app.50+ there in my humble opinion have been a number who were unsuitable or unworthy to be rovers manager but i think Joe Barton may not be one of them.If some decide they cannot see rovers play so be it.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 16, 2022 15:11:08 GMT
over the years app.50+ there in my humble opinion have been a number who were unsuitable or unworthy to be rovers manager but i think Joe Barton may not be one of them.If some decide they cannot see rovers play so be it. I respect your opinion alasitsgas. And it sounds like you respect mine (not to attend games whilst Bartin remains manager). It's not really that hard. Just a question of respect. Though some people would appear to struggle with the concept.
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Post by towngas on Feb 17, 2022 16:50:53 GMT
over the years app.50+ there in my humble opinion have been a number who were unsuitable or unworthy to be rovers manager but i think Joe Barton may not be one of them.If some decide they cannot see rovers play so be it. I respect your opinion alasitsgas. And it sounds like you respect mine (not to attend games whilst Bartin remains manager). It's not really that hard. Just a question of respect. Though some people would appear to struggle with the concept. I respect your opinion although I can’t understand hatred for the manager making you miss watching Rovers for how ever long he is manager. I don’t know how many Barton haters are not attending, but let’s say it’s around 200 per match. At say £15 per head that’s £3k per game, so over a season perhaps £70k. It would be a shame if, for the sake of that £70k it meant Rovers were unable to keep Anthony Evans or any of the other players who are out of contract this year.
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 17, 2022 21:52:40 GMT
I respect your opinion alasitsgas. And it sounds like you respect mine (not to attend games whilst Bartin remains manager). It's not really that hard. Just a question of respect. Though some people would appear to struggle with the concept. I respect your opinion although I can’t understand hatred for the manager making you miss watching Rovers for how ever long he is manager. I don’t know how many Barton haters are not attending, but let’s say it’s around 200 per match. At say £15 per head that’s £3k per game, so over a season perhaps £70k. It would be a shame if, for the sake of that £70k it meant Rovers were unable to keep Anthony Evans or any of the other players who are out of contract this year. Also, Drinks, Food, Programmes, the Club Shop et al could force that £70k up to £100k, BRFC could do so much with that revenue.
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Post by swissgas on Feb 17, 2022 22:46:12 GMT
We seem to be getting back to the notion that Rovers are some kind of charity.
I can remember a saucy post about this topic during Nick Higgs time which said that Rovers were running a Jumble Sale at Horfield Church Hall, refreshments were provided and all proceeds would go towards helping the club pay Mark Wright's employers National Insurance contribution.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 17, 2022 22:56:45 GMT
I respect your opinion although I can’t understand hatred for the manager making you miss watching Rovers for how ever long he is manager. I don’t know how many Barton haters are not attending, but let’s say it’s around 200 per match. At say £15 per head that’s £3k per game, so over a season perhaps £70k. It would be a shame if, for the sake of that £70k it meant Rovers were unable to keep Anthony Evans or any of the other players who are out of contract this year. Also, Drinks, Food, Programmes, the Club Shop et al could force that £70k up to £100k, BRFC could do so much with that revenue. "Hatred" (as previously discussed by others) is an inappropriate word to use. However I am repulsed by the Clubs decision to hire someone as manager who has a long history of violence. I am angry now, just as I was when he was appointed on Feb 22nd 2021. The thing is, you can't ringfence the money that goes from my wallet to the Club. I'm not allowing 1p of my money to go towards paying Barton's salary. Period. A trip to the Mem usually costs me around £75 in petrol alone. Anyway, to Rovers lost revenue - Ticket POTD £19. Beers pre & post game £16 (unless the bar prices have gone up again). Rovers merch / shirts around £150 a year. I'm saving tons. I normally go with my son (he is 'Barton neutral'). He's not gone since I've stopped going. I think, on balance, that 200 (non-attending) is on the low side. It's probably not more than 500. It's a moot point. I think that £100k potential revenue a year could well be on the low side. Obviously not enough to make any difference though. Wael Al-Qadi funds the losses regardless. For that he deserves credit. But I'm not going to help cover the losses (in my own tiny way) whilst he sticks with his bizarre decision to appoint Barton in the first place.
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Post by Igitur on Feb 18, 2022 8:32:48 GMT
My mother told me never to hate anyone - wise words, for it can consume you and take over your life, and Barton is not worth it. At the risk of appearing pompous, which I am not, it's, for me, about morals and standards of behaviour. As has been written I do not want my club associated with the examples of behaviour shown by Barton. It also sends out the wrong messages to young people who we are trying to attract, we can hardly claim to be a family club. Hatred - no, despair and sadness that it is acceptable for Rovers to employ a man like Barton - yes.
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Post by oldie on Feb 18, 2022 10:02:12 GMT
My mother told me never to hate anyone - wise words, for it can consume you and take over your life, and Barton is not worth it. At the risk of appearing pompous, which I am not, it's, for me, about morals and standards of behaviour. As has been written I do not want my club associated with the examples of behaviour shown by Barton. It also sends out the wrong messages to young people who we are trying to attract, we can hardly claim to be a family club. Hatred - no, despair and sadness that it is acceptable for Rovers to employ a man like Barton - yes. Well said sir
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 18, 2022 10:20:47 GMT
For those who dislike the fact that the club employed Barton, assuming the owners etc stay, how can they return once Barton departs. Does the club suddenly have the previous values or have they gone for good?
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Post by Portishead Pirate on Feb 18, 2022 10:37:27 GMT
Also, Drinks, Food, Programmes, the Club Shop et al could force that £70k up to £100k, BRFC could do so much with that revenue. "Hatred" (as previously discussed by others) is an inappropriate word to use. However I am repulsed by the Clubs decision to hire someone as manager who has a long history of violence. I am angry now, just as I was when he was appointed on Feb 22nd 2021. The thing is, you can't ringfence the money that goes from my wallet to the Club. I'm not allowing 1p of my money to go towards paying Barton's salary. Period. A trip to the Mem usually costs me around £75 in petrol alone. Anyway, to Rovers lost revenue - Ticket POTD £19. Beers pre & post game £16 (unless the bar prices have gone up again). Rovers merch / shirts around £150 a year. I'm saving tons. I normally go with my son (he is 'Barton neutral'). He's not gone since I've stopped going. I think, on balance, that 200 (non-attending) is on the low side. It's probably not more than 500. It's a moot point. I think that £100k potential revenue a year could well be on the low side. Obviously not enough to make any difference though. Wael Al-Qadi funds the losses regardless. For that he deserves credit. But I'm not going to help cover the losses (in my own tiny way) whilst he sticks with his bizarre decision to appoint Barton in the first place. Are you saying you believe him to be beyond redemption, unable to have a positive impact or to make up for his wrongdoings? If so, what place in society should he have?
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Post by oldie on Feb 18, 2022 11:57:11 GMT
"Hatred" (as previously discussed by others) is an inappropriate word to use. However I am repulsed by the Clubs decision to hire someone as manager who has a long history of violence. I am angry now, just as I was when he was appointed on Feb 22nd 2021. The thing is, you can't ringfence the money that goes from my wallet to the Club. I'm not allowing 1p of my money to go towards paying Barton's salary. Period. A trip to the Mem usually costs me around £75 in petrol alone. Anyway, to Rovers lost revenue - Ticket POTD £19. Beers pre & post game £16 (unless the bar prices have gone up again). Rovers merch / shirts around £150 a year. I'm saving tons. I normally go with my son (he is 'Barton neutral'). He's not gone since I've stopped going. I think, on balance, that 200 (non-attending) is on the low side. It's probably not more than 500. It's a moot point. I think that £100k potential revenue a year could well be on the low side. Obviously not enough to make any difference though. Wael Al-Qadi funds the losses regardless. For that he deserves credit. But I'm not going to help cover the losses (in my own tiny way) whilst he sticks with his bizarre decision to appoint Barton in the first place. Are you saying you believe him to be beyond redemption, unable to have a positive impact or to make up for his wrongdoings? If so, what place in society should he have? That's up to him to earn it, not for you or I to pre-ordain. Do you think he is capable?
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Post by Portishead Pirate on Feb 18, 2022 12:29:04 GMT
Are you saying you believe him to be beyond redemption, unable to have a positive impact or to make up for his wrongdoings? If so, what place in society should he have? That's up to him to earn it, not for you or I to pre-ordain. Do you think he is capable? Agreed. He certainly appears capable in my view, proof is in the pudding as always of course. I just sense that over the last few months he's beginning to earn it.
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Post by oldie on Feb 18, 2022 15:19:47 GMT
That's up to him to earn it, not for you or I to pre-ordain. Do you think he is capable? Agreed. He certainly appears capable in my view, proof is in the pudding as always of course. I just sense that over the last few months he's beginning to earn it. Personally I don't think winning a few football matches earns redemption given his history. The issues go far greater than that. Perhaps a pull back from the so obvious narcissistic behaviour might be a start. That doesn't require a win at Stevenage (as a starter for ten).
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Post by Igitur on Feb 18, 2022 15:23:58 GMT
For those who dislike the fact that the club employed Barton, assuming the owners etc stay, how can they return once Barton departs. Does the club suddenly have the previous values or have they gone for good? Depends on who replaces Joey. Anyone can learn from their mistakes (if they realise mistakes have been made).
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Post by basel on Feb 18, 2022 15:40:01 GMT
Agreed. He certainly appears capable in my view, proof is in the pudding as always of course. I just sense that over the last few months he's beginning to earn it. Personally I don't think winning a few football matches earns redemption given his history. The issues go far greater than that. Perhaps a pull back from the so obvious narcissistic behaviour might be a start. That doesn't require a win at Stevenage (as a starter for ten). Please offer an example of JBs "so obvious narcissitic behaviour ".
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Post by Portishead Pirate on Feb 18, 2022 15:54:15 GMT
Agreed. He certainly appears capable in my view, proof is in the pudding as always of course. I just sense that over the last few months he's beginning to earn it. Personally I don't think winning a few football matches earns redemption given his history. The issues go far greater than that. Perhaps a pull back from the so obvious narcissistic behaviour might be a start. That doesn't require a win at Stevenage (as a starter for ten). I wasn't referring to recent results, although that is a plus point, I was reflecting on his general demeanor.
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Post by oldie on Feb 18, 2022 15:56:00 GMT
Personally I don't think winning a few football matches earns redemption given his history. The issues go far greater than that. Perhaps a pull back from the so obvious narcissistic behaviour might be a start. That doesn't require a win at Stevenage (as a starter for ten). Please offer an example of JBs "so obvious narcissitic behaviour ". Easier perhaps to define it. Thus: "Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism." Recognise any of that?
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Post by oldie on Feb 18, 2022 16:03:20 GMT
Personally I don't think winning a few football matches earns redemption given his history. The issues go far greater than that. Perhaps a pull back from the so obvious narcissistic behaviour might be a start. That doesn't require a win at Stevenage (as a starter for ten). I wasn't referring to recent results, although that is a plus point, I was reflecting on his general demeanor. I don't think any of us are exposed enough to him at close quarters (thankfully) to determine his general demeanor. I would agree his interviews appear better considered. But then he did it again with his pseudo psychology points about "only positive people" and "the difficulty of life" whatever that actually means. Does he mean conception? Gestation? Who knows, because it's a meaningless statement. Perhaps he meant "the difficulties of everyday life". We can only guess. It's just another example of utter BS coming out of his mouth.
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Post by basel on Feb 18, 2022 16:09:38 GMT
Please offer an example of JBs "so obvious narcissitic behaviour ". Easier perhaps to define it. Thus: "Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism." Recognise any of that? No,that's just lazy and too easy I'm afraid. Examples? Or perhaps drop such accusation.
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