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Post by toteend3 on May 11, 2023 22:19:30 GMT
I guess the same could be said of a lot of clubs - who knows what may happen in the future, things can change quickly in the world of finance. It seems that the "wrong uns" don't take long to show their true colours, we've had Wael at the club for 7 years - if the new ground isn't delivered I wouldn't class that as Wael selling us down the river. My main criticism of WAQ is the stagnation. The stadium at best is what, 5 years off? We certainly wouldn’t be taking out a loan for a new stand if it just round the corner. Asking why the South Stand hasn’t been replaced for increased revenue in the previous seven years is also a fair question. I edon’t think he’s been terrible but, he’s certainly not achieved much at all…Ummm - well apart from the incy bit part role WAQ played in ensuring we still had a club to support after COVID.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 22:25:04 GMT
My main criticism of WAQ is the stagnation. The stadium at best is what, 5 years off? We certainly wouldn’t be taking out a loan for a new stand if it just round the corner. Asking why the South Stand hasn’t been replaced for increased revenue in the previous seven years is also a fair question. I edon’t think he’s been terrible but, he’s certainly not achieved much at all…Ummm - well apart from the incy bit part role WAQ played in ensuring we still had a club to support after COVID. Yeah, mad how many football professional clubs went bust.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 11, 2023 22:28:36 GMT
We don’t know for sure that we have avoided a Yeovil situation and won’t until such time as either new ground is delivered or the owner cashes out to recoup his losses. In the meantime all we can do is hope we get the former. I wouldn’t be making any claims either way till then …… I guess the same could be said of a lot of clubs - who knows what may happen in the future, things can change quickly in the world of finance. It seems that the "wrong uns" don't take long to show their true colours, we've had Wael at the club for 7 years - if the new ground isn't delivered I wouldn't class that as Wael selling us down the river. I wouldn’t say that either but it would depend on what happens as a result. Deliver a new stadium and Wael’s place in our folklore is assured. Fail though and anything could happen. So far I would say he has been a benevolent owner but who knows if that will continue if either the money and/or his interest runs out.
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Post by eppinggas on May 12, 2023 8:02:45 GMT
And you're steering this back on topic. From a football fan's perspective I can understand the enthusiasm JB creates (people are talking Bas !) and of course Wael is a very big football fan as well. But to meet the challenge Rovers face I think we need to curb the enthusiasm a bit and run the business on sounder principles. Until we upgrade our infrastructure properly we'll always be reliant on owner financing just to maintain the status quo and with no way of realising the potential which having a big fanbase brings. On that analysis I completely agree with you. I have a nagging suspicion that Barton is a class A bullshi**er who shouts loudest to quell the noise of any criticism. The fan in me wants those thoughts to be wrong, I would of course love it if he gets us to the championship but as you say, after 2 and a bit seasons we start that challenge from 17th. With an unbalanced squad, one beset with long term injuries and key players who are under contract to other clubs. And, the club is losing over £3M a year. I suspect we will find out next season "...a class A bullshi**er who shouts loudest to quell the noise of any criticism". Only a nagging suspicion? His words and actions have backed up the original comment that started this thread about him 809 days ago. IMHO. A narcissist. A delusional bully. His character traits don't reflect the values with which I used to associate with the Football Club. Hey ho. I guess we're not rid of him until Wael and Joey have a fall out.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 12, 2023 10:16:37 GMT
On that analysis I completely agree with you. I have a nagging suspicion that Barton is a class A bullshi**er who shouts loudest to quell the noise of any criticism. The fan in me wants those thoughts to be wrong, I would of course love it if he gets us to the championship but as you say, after 2 and a bit seasons we start that challenge from 17th. With an unbalanced squad, one beset with long term injuries and key players who are under contract to other clubs. And, the club is losing over £3M a year. I suspect we will find out next season "...a class A bullshi**er who shouts loudest to quell the noise of any criticism". Only a nagging suspicion? His words and actions have backed up the original comment that started this thread about him 809 days ago. IMHO. A narcissist. A delusional bully. His character traits don't reflect the values with which I used to associate with the Football Club. Hey ho. I guess we're not rid of him until Wael and Joey have a fall out. Serious question, do you think Wael has the nuts to be rid of him , especially after giving over so much responsibility to him and his band of merry men ? I do hear JB always making sure he tells people how great Wael is and so I honestly do not know how this would play out, if it were the case
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Post by laughinggas on May 12, 2023 10:53:19 GMT
"...a class A bullshi**er who shouts loudest to quell the noise of any criticism". Only a nagging suspicion? His words and actions have backed up the original comment that started this thread about him 809 days ago. IMHO. A narcissist. A delusional bully. His character traits don't reflect the values with which I used to associate with the Football Club. Hey ho. I guess we're not rid of him until Wael and Joey have a fall out. Serious question, do you think Wael has the nuts to be rid of him , especially after giving over so much responsibility to him and his band of merry men ? I do hear JB always making sure he tells people how great Wael is and so I honestly do not know how this would play out, if it were the case If we are bottom of the league at end of the year or end of season, then yes.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 12, 2023 14:21:23 GMT
I don't think that we've particularly needed an increased capacity in the previous seven years. With some big name clubs in League One again, and more home fans being lured in by the (usually) attractive football being played, the situation has now changed. Pointless building anything in that case. So, you're actually in favour of stagnation?
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Post by Bath Gas on May 12, 2023 14:24:12 GMT
I guess the same could be said of a lot of clubs - who knows what may happen in the future, things can change quickly in the world of finance. It seems that the "wrong uns" don't take long to show their true colours, we've had Wael at the club for 7 years - if the new ground isn't delivered I wouldn't class that as Wael selling us down the river. I wouldn’t say that either but it would depend on what happens as a result. Deliver a new stadium and Wael’s place in our folklore is assured. Fail though and anything could happen. So far I would say he has been a benevolent owner but who knows if that will continue if either the money and/or his interest runs out. Apologies, I thought that was what you had said in your original post.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 14:47:29 GMT
Pointless building anything in that case. So, you're actually in favour of stagnation? You were the one that said upping the capacity previously was pointless...
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Post by The Concept on May 12, 2023 15:49:48 GMT
On the subject of increased crowds, I think there are multiple factors at play.
- You could say people are attracted to the type of football played. - And there will be some attracted by JB being a well known footballing personality (but as we know it has also affected the crowd adversely). - We've always known that people go to watch a winning team and the 2nd half of last season helped this (football fans are a fickle - at times fair-weather - bunch!). - Momentum from last year into this year; the excitement of promotion spreads, and the expectations increase for the following year. - Post-pandemic feeling: I sense a lot of people realised during Covid-19 that they missed the football. In fact there were a lot of things people were missing out on, and they concluded they need to make the most of life and get back to what they enjoyed. - The match-day experience: Rovers have finally realised that you need to make it more than just the match, make it into an event. The improvements to the bars and the Fan Zone with food, drink and music have attracted people to make a day of it at the football. Meet with friends and family. Have a drink and a natter and it doesn't matter so much if the game was crap! - Community Trust: it can't be denied the effect that BRCT has had on making people of all ages feel affiliated with the club. The Ability groups; Gas Girls; schools and clubs outreach; holiday football fun days; health club; talk club; over 60s, and the other elements they are involved in. - The rise of girls football, and the success of England Lionesses may have played a part. - And I get the feeling there is a generational thing going on. Dads taking their kids to football for the first time, and maybe some of those dads were from our Twerton 90s success and have come back with their kids after life got in the way for a while.
Having looked at attendances around the country, it wouldn't surprise me that the majority of clubs have seen an increase. And if true then I would say the post-pandemic feeling must be a big factor.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 12, 2023 15:55:19 GMT
So, you're actually in favour of stagnation? You were the one that said upping the capacity previously was pointless... Can't see the word "pointless" in my original post.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 17:54:55 GMT
You were the one that said upping the capacity previously was pointless... Can't see the word "pointless" in my original post. Sorry, I shortened “I don't think that we've particularly needed an increased capacity in the previous seven years” to one word.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 12, 2023 18:25:28 GMT
I wouldn’t say that either but it would depend on what happens as a result. Deliver a new stadium and Wael’s place in our folklore is assured. Fail though and anything could happen. So far I would say he has been a benevolent owner but who knows if that will continue if either the money and/or his interest runs out. Apologies, I thought that was what you had said in your original post. No i’m saying that I think whether or not he delivers a new stadium may well be the tipping point where we discover whether or not he is the benevolent owner others think he is. On the plus side he has kept the club afloat and acquired and built the training ground. On the debit side none of this is totally “free” and losses have been capitalised against the assets. I’m also not clear how much ownership and control has been ceded to Barton. He’s also made some very poor decisions as owner and the ground situation is not really much further forward than 7 yrs ago. South stand sounds like an improvement though this is Bristol Rovers so I’m ready to be disappointed.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 12, 2023 19:03:20 GMT
Can't see the word "pointless" in my original post. Sorry, I shortened “I don't think that we've particularly needed an increased capacity in the previous seven years” to one word. From my understanding of the English language - "I don't think that we've particularly needed..." does not equate to "pointless".
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Post by rowdenhill on May 12, 2023 19:05:22 GMT
Can't see the word "pointless" in my original post. Sorry, I shortened “I don't think that we've particularly needed an increased capacity in the previous seven years” to one word. A one-word paraphrase of 'I don't think that we've particularly needed an increased capacity in the previous seven years' might be ' unnecessary', though even that's a bit strong. To paraphrase it as ' pointless' is a crass misrepresentation and a putrid distortion.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 12, 2023 19:06:35 GMT
Apologies, I thought that was what you had said in your original post. No i’m saying that I think whether or not he delivers a new stadium may well be the tipping point where we discover whether or not he is the benevolent owner others think he is. On the plus side he has kept the club afloat and acquired and built the training ground. On the debit side none of this is totally “free” and losses have been capitalised against the assets. I’m also not clear how much ownership and control has been ceded to Barton. He’s also made some very poor decisions as owner and the ground situation is not really much further forward than 7 yrs ago. South stand sounds like an improvement though this is Bristol Rovers so I’m ready to be disappointed. If you're not clear "how much ....." does this mean that there is absolute proof that some ownership and control has been ceded to Barton?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 12, 2023 22:38:42 GMT
No i’m saying that I think whether or not he delivers a new stadium may well be the tipping point where we discover whether or not he is the benevolent owner others think he is. On the plus side he has kept the club afloat and acquired and built the training ground. On the debit side none of this is totally “free” and losses have been capitalised against the assets. I’m also not clear how much ownership and control has been ceded to Barton. He’s also made some very poor decisions as owner and the ground situation is not really much further forward than 7 yrs ago. South stand sounds like an improvement though this is Bristol Rovers so I’m ready to be disappointed. If you're not clear "how much ....." does this mean that there is absolute proof that some ownership and control has been ceded to Barton? I have no idea - you’d be better addressing that question to either/ both owner and/or manager. I am surmising though that some has - based on the grip that Barton seems to have over the owner and comments like the one a while back about not being-paid a salary. Every possibility though that I am miles off the mark and making 16 from 2+2
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Post by Bath Gas on May 12, 2023 22:58:34 GMT
If you're not clear "how much ....." does this mean that there is absolute proof that some ownership and control has been ceded to Barton? I have no idea - you’d be better addressing that question to either/ both owner and/or manager. I am surmising though that some has - based on the grip that Barton seems to have over the owner and comments like the one a while back about not being-paid a salary. Every possibility though that I am miles off the mark and making 16 from 2+2 That's likely to be as accurate as anything else we hear. I got the impression that he gets a salary, but uses it to pay for other staff - hence the "working for free", as he's putting his salary back into the club in a roundabout way - again, I could be way off the mark with my interpretation there.
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Post by bloogas on May 13, 2023 7:30:18 GMT
Sorry, I shortened “I don't think that we've particularly needed an increased capacity in the previous seven years” to one word. A one-word paraphrase of 'I don't think that we've particularly needed an increased capacity in the previous seven years' might be ' unnecessary', though even that's a bit strong. To paraphrase it as ' pointless' is a crass misrepresentation and a putrid distortion. Par for the course.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 13, 2023 7:52:59 GMT
I have no idea - you’d be better addressing that question to either/ both owner and/or manager. I am surmising though that some has - based on the grip that Barton seems to have over the owner and comments like the one a while back about not being-paid a salary. Every possibility though that I am miles off the mark and making 16 from 2+2 That's likely to be as accurate as anything else we hear. I got the impression that he gets a salary, but uses it to pay for other staff - hence the "working for free", as he's putting his salary back into the club in a roundabout way - again, I could be way off the mark with my interpretation there. No way of knowing from what is out in the public domain is there hence we both speculate and end up in different places. Personally I hope your interpretation is right as it is much more positive than my more cynical one. There does seem to be some hold over the owner though and it does look like Barton has pretty much free rein over the way the club is run. We’ll find out whether or not this is a good thing for us in the next year or too I suspect
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