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Post by rufustfirefly on May 9, 2023 4:53:07 GMT
Sorry DC has taken charge of 430 matches
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Post by keygas on May 9, 2023 8:20:06 GMT
Weather you like him or not, the best chance of Bristol Rovers getting into the championship is with Joey Barton at the helm. 30.4% League 1 win ratio ? 1.15 points per game ? Rome wasn’t built in a day !
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Post by oldie on May 9, 2023 9:40:23 GMT
30.4% League 1 win ratio ? 1.15 points per game ? Rome wasn’t built in a day ! Other clichés are available 🤭🤭
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Post by Bath Gas on May 9, 2023 15:28:46 GMT
Rome wasn’t built in a day ! Other clichés are available 🤭🤭 Time will tell
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Post by keygas on May 9, 2023 16:01:40 GMT
Other clichés are available 🤭🤭 Time will tell Too right, good job a few of the pessimist’s on this site, weren’t Man Utd fans in the early years of Alex Ferguson reign.
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Post by oldie on May 9, 2023 16:43:07 GMT
Too right, good job a few of the pessimist’s on this site, weren’t Man Utd fans in the early years of Alex Ferguson reign. Yeah, and Colin Dobson...oh hang on🤭
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Post by The Concept on May 9, 2023 16:45:25 GMT
Too right, good job a few of the pessimist’s on this site, weren’t Man Utd fans in the early years of Alex Ferguson reign. Yeah, and Colin Dobson...oh hang on🤭 Martin?
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Post by oldie on May 9, 2023 17:05:19 GMT
Yeah, and Colin Dobson...oh hang on🤭 Martin? No, Colin
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Post by swissgas on May 9, 2023 17:26:39 GMT
There seems to be three schools of thought when it comes to JB and two of them are based largely on emotion.
Some Gasheads feel he has been misunderstood and hard done by throughout his life and they want to give him a chance. They like his enthusiasm for football and his willingness to talk bluntly and think this is what Rovers need to shake us out of the mediocrity we've suffered from for many years. Their opinion is based on an intuative feeling and they are confident JB will come good in the end.
Some Gasheads have an instinctive dislike for JB because of the way he has conducted himself throughout his football career. They are quite willing to accept that there are some "characters" within the game who sail close to the wind but feel JB has gone well beyond that. His volatility is such that anyone who opposes him is likely to suffer uncontrolled abuse which is the opposite of what is required from the leader of a team. Their intuative feeling is that with this characteristic JB will not come good for Rovers and the sooner he's gone the better.
Gasheads who manage to put emotional prejudices aside look at the evidence available and concentrate on what JB has actually done rather than what he says he has done or what he says he will do in the future. His biggest claim is to have introduced "greater professionalism" which is hard to measure and although The Concept has shown the numbers of staff have increased has the quality of performance ? On the basis of League position the answer is no because during our last stint in League 1 from 16/17 to 19/20 we averaged 13th place. Has the greater professionalism brought about higher attendances ? Yes, 2022/23 was about 400 higher than the average between 16/17 and 19/20. What has this greater professionalism cost ? My best estimate is that Rovers expenditure has increased by about 2 million per annum since JB arrived so, leaving emotions out of it, for a league position four places lower and 400 extra people attending do we think this good value for money ?
And are the losses caused by this extra expenditure the reason for BRFC 1883 Ltd having to take a new loan with Nationwide Finance Ltd which is secured by a second charge over the Mem ?
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Post by keygas on May 9, 2023 18:03:29 GMT
There seems to be three schools of thought when it comes to JB and two of them are based largely on emotion. Some Gasheads feel he has been misunderstood and hard done by throughout his life and they want to give him a chance. They like his enthusiasm for football and his willingness to talk bluntly and think this is what Rovers need to shake us out of the mediocrity we've suffered from for many years. Their opinion is based on an intuative feeling and they are confident JB will come good in the end. Some Gasheads have an instinctive dislike for JB because of the way he has conducted himself throughout his football career. They are quite willing to accept that there are some "characters" within the game who sail close to the wind but feel JB has gone well beyond that. His volatility is such that anyone who opposes him is likely to suffer uncontrolled abuse which is the opposite of what is required from the leader of a team. Their intuative feeling is that with this characteristic JB will not come good for Rovers and the sooner he's gone the better. Gasheads who manage to put emotional prejudices aside look at the evidence available and concentrate on what JB has actually done rather than what he says he has done or what he says he will do in the future. His biggest claim is to have introduced "greater professionalism" which is hard to measure and although The Concept has shown the numbers of staff have increased has the quality of performance ? On the basis of League position the answer is no because during our last stint in League 1 from 16/17 to 19/20 we averaged 13th place. Has the greater professionalism brought about higher attendances ? Yes, 2022/23 was about 400 higher than the average between 16/17 and 19/20. What has this greater professionalism cost ? My best estimate is that Rovers expenditure has increased by about 2 million per annum since JB arrived so, leaving emotions out of it, for a league position four places lower and 400 extra people attending do we think this good value for money ? And are the losses caused by this extra expenditure the reason for BRFC 1883 Ltd having to take a new loan with Nationwide Finance Ltd which is secured by a second charge over the Mem ? Didn’t JB bring Aaron Collins to the club for nothing, along with his coaching staff turned him into the league 1 player of the year & figures of 3m+ are being talked about for his signature if sold.
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Post by swissgas on May 9, 2023 18:18:46 GMT
There seems to be three schools of thought when it comes to JB and two of them are based largely on emotion. Some Gasheads feel he has been misunderstood and hard done by throughout his life and they want to give him a chance. They like his enthusiasm for football and his willingness to talk bluntly and think this is what Rovers need to shake us out of the mediocrity we've suffered from for many years. Their opinion is based on an intuative feeling and they are confident JB will come good in the end. Some Gasheads have an instinctive dislike for JB because of the way he has conducted himself throughout his football career. They are quite willing to accept that there are some "characters" within the game who sail close to the wind but feel JB has gone well beyond that. His volatility is such that anyone who opposes him is likely to suffer uncontrolled abuse which is the opposite of what is required from the leader of a team. Their intuative feeling is that with this characteristic JB will not come good for Rovers and the sooner he's gone the better. Gasheads who manage to put emotional prejudices aside look at the evidence available and concentrate on what JB has actually done rather than what he says he has done or what he says he will do in the future. His biggest claim is to have introduced "greater professionalism" which is hard to measure and although The Concept has shown the numbers of staff have increased has the quality of performance ? On the basis of League position the answer is no because during our last stint in League 1 from 16/17 to 19/20 we averaged 13th place. Has the greater professionalism brought about higher attendances ? Yes, 2022/23 was about 400 higher than the average between 16/17 and 19/20. What has this greater professionalism cost ? My best estimate is that Rovers expenditure has increased by about 2 million per annum since JB arrived so, leaving emotions out of it, for a league position four places lower and 400 extra people attending do we think this good value for money ? And are the losses caused by this extra expenditure the reason for BRFC 1883 Ltd having to take a new loan with Nationwide Finance Ltd which is secured by a second charge over the Mem ? Didn’t JB bring Aaron Collins to the club for nothing, along with his coaching staff turned into the league 1 player of the year & figures of 3m+ are being talked about if sold. Yes, just like GC did with JCH and DC did with Taylor and Bodin. But now the club are paying a 2 million premium for this service. And by the sound of it running out of cash.
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Post by oldie on May 9, 2023 18:22:27 GMT
There seems to be three schools of thought when it comes to JB and two of them are based largely on emotion. Some Gasheads feel he has been misunderstood and hard done by throughout his life and they want to give him a chance. They like his enthusiasm for football and his willingness to talk bluntly and think this is what Rovers need to shake us out of the mediocrity we've suffered from for many years. Their opinion is based on an intuative feeling and they are confident JB will come good in the end. Some Gasheads have an instinctive dislike for JB because of the way he has conducted himself throughout his football career. They are quite willing to accept that there are some "characters" within the game who sail close to the wind but feel JB has gone well beyond that. His volatility is such that anyone who opposes him is likely to suffer uncontrolled abuse which is the opposite of what is required from the leader of a team. Their intuative feeling is that with this characteristic JB will not come good for Rovers and the sooner he's gone the better. Gasheads who manage to put emotional prejudices aside look at the evidence available and concentrate on what JB has actually done rather than what he says he has done or what he says he will do in the future. His biggest claim is to have introduced "greater professionalism" which is hard to measure and although The Concept has shown the numbers of staff have increased has the quality of performance ? On the basis of League position the answer is no because during our last stint in League 1 from 16/17 to 19/20 we averaged 13th place. Has the greater professionalism brought about higher attendances ? Yes, 2022/23 was about 400 higher than the average between 16/17 and 19/20. What has this greater professionalism cost ? My best estimate is that Rovers expenditure has increased by about 2 million per annum since JB arrived so, leaving emotions out of it, for a league position four places lower and 400 extra people attending do we think this good value for money ? And are the losses caused by this extra expenditure the reason for BRFC 1883 Ltd having to take a new loan with Nationwide Finance Ltd which is secured by a second charge over the Mem ? But an awful lot of people don't want to hear it do they
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Post by swissgas on May 9, 2023 18:30:17 GMT
There seems to be three schools of thought when it comes to JB and two of them are based largely on emotion. Some Gasheads feel he has been misunderstood and hard done by throughout his life and they want to give him a chance. They like his enthusiasm for football and his willingness to talk bluntly and think this is what Rovers need to shake us out of the mediocrity we've suffered from for many years. Their opinion is based on an intuative feeling and they are confident JB will come good in the end. Some Gasheads have an instinctive dislike for JB because of the way he has conducted himself throughout his football career. They are quite willing to accept that there are some "characters" within the game who sail close to the wind but feel JB has gone well beyond that. His volatility is such that anyone who opposes him is likely to suffer uncontrolled abuse which is the opposite of what is required from the leader of a team. Their intuative feeling is that with this characteristic JB will not come good for Rovers and the sooner he's gone the better. Gasheads who manage to put emotional prejudices aside look at the evidence available and concentrate on what JB has actually done rather than what he says he has done or what he says he will do in the future. His biggest claim is to have introduced "greater professionalism" which is hard to measure and although The Concept has shown the numbers of staff have increased has the quality of performance ? On the basis of League position the answer is no because during our last stint in League 1 from 16/17 to 19/20 we averaged 13th place. Has the greater professionalism brought about higher attendances ? Yes, 2022/23 was about 400 higher than the average between 16/17 and 19/20. What has this greater professionalism cost ? My best estimate is that Rovers expenditure has increased by about 2 million per annum since JB arrived so, leaving emotions out of it, for a league position four places lower and 400 extra people attending do we think this good value for money ? And are the losses caused by this extra expenditure the reason for BRFC 1883 Ltd having to take a new loan with Nationwide Finance Ltd which is secured by a second charge over the Mem ? But an awful lot of people don't want to hear it do they When composing the post about opinions based on emotions I did recall our forum exchange from about fifteen years ago when you suggested some of my posts were too emotive - and you were right ! Will the news today about Rovers taking on a secured loan from a second or third tier lender be debated seriously by Gasheads or will it be swept under the carpet ?
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Post by keygas on May 9, 2023 18:38:27 GMT
Didn’t JB bring Aaron Collins to the club for nothing, along with his coaching staff turned into the league 1 player of the year & figures of 3m+ are being talked about if sold. Yes, just like GC did with JCH and DC did with Taylor and Bodin. But now the club are paying a 2 million premium for this service. And by the sound of it running out of cash. So do you suggest we go back to the days of rag bag Rovers , sale the Quarters training ground, which visiting clubs who use it, already say it’s up to championship level & go back to renting inferior facilities where the players pick up fox poo before commencing training. Don’t bother with nutritionists & go back to the kit man nipping out for 20 cod lots. Take a chance on rookie manager again like Garner & hope by some miracle it might be successful, if you do it won’t belong before we’re playing Yeovil again. When you mention a loan being secured, I’ve heard they started to remove seats from the South stand, so might that loan be something to do with that development which hopefully will have a payback over future seasons.
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Post by swissgas on May 9, 2023 19:06:11 GMT
Yes, just like GC did with JCH and DC did with Taylor and Bodin. But now the club are paying a 2 million premium for this service. And by the sound of it running out of cash. So do you suggest we go back to the days of rag bag Rovers , sale the Quarters training ground, which visiting clubs who use it, already say it’s up to championship level & go back to renting inferior facilities where the players pick up fox poo before commencing training. Don’t bother with nutritionists & go back to the kit man nipping out fot 20 cod lots. Take a chance on rookie manager again like Garner & hope by some miracle it might be successful, if you do it won’t belong before we’re playing Yeovil again. What I've suggested is that we look at the business model of clubs like Exeter, Shrewsbury and others who compete with us yet have far smaller financial resources. We then make changes to operate the business more efficiently and release funds (which we obviously don't need to stay in League 1) for infrastructure improvements. We could start off by completing the training ground so that we bring the whole football operation to one location and reintroduce a development squad to enable more of our home produced players to transition into the first team group and become valuable assets. And then we could commission architects to design a much better South Stand than the one which is currently being proposed, work within realistic timescales and in a few years end up with a structure that enhances the stadium and which can be added to if need be. All paid for with our own cash. Then, once we are generating extra revenue through increased attendances and the sale of home grown players, we will be ready to make an assault on the Championship from a position of strength.
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Post by oldie on May 9, 2023 19:52:06 GMT
But an awful lot of people don't want to hear it do they When composing the post about opinions based on emotions I did recall our forum exchange from about fifteen years ago when you suggested some of my posts were too emotive - and you were right ! Will the news today about Rovers taking on a secured loan from a second or third tier lender be debated seriously by Gasheads or will it be swept under the carpet ? Christ I said that, and you remember!! On your question...I wonder if this is specific funding for the South Stand redevelopment? Do you know the capital value of the loan?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 19:54:05 GMT
According to Gorringe it’s for the South Stand.
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Post by oldie on May 9, 2023 19:55:49 GMT
Yes, just like GC did with JCH and DC did with Taylor and Bodin. But now the club are paying a 2 million premium for this service. And by the sound of it running out of cash. So do you suggest we go back to the days of rag bag Rovers , sale the Quarters training ground, which visiting clubs who use it, already say it’s up to championship level & go back to renting inferior facilities where the players pick up fox poo before commencing training. Don’t bother with nutritionists & go back to the kit man nipping out for 20 cod lots. Take a chance on rookie manager again like Garner & hope by some miracle it might be successful, if you do it won’t belong before we’re playing Yeovil again. When you mention a loan being secured, I’ve heard they started to remove seats from the South stand, so might that loan be something to do with that development which hopefully will have a payback over future seasons. What's a "Cod Lot"? A lot of cod's??😂😂😂
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Post by johnmalyckyj on May 9, 2023 20:39:20 GMT
Didn’t JB bring Aaron Collins to the club for nothing, along with his coaching staff turned into the league 1 player of the year & figures of 3m+ are being talked about if sold. Yes, just like GC did with JCH and DC did with Taylor and Bodin. But now the club are paying a 2 million premium for this service. And by the sound of it running out of cash. Good Evening, "And by the sound of it running out of cash".... Evidence please? Last night I attended the awards night, it was light years ahead of anything I have been to connected to Bristol Rovers, slick, professional and it doesn't quite square with the picture painted by some. Wael gave his apologies as he was attending his daughter's graduation in the States. Mr Gorringe explained that work on the South Stand was commencing this morning...I wish that he could have read your comments about the design, as usual "damned if you do and damned if you don't... Kind regards John Malyckyj
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Post by The Concept on May 9, 2023 20:45:13 GMT
I don't think they can start any work on the new South Stand until planning consent.
What TG said in the programme on Saturday was "Work begins on Tuesday to clear the area and remove the existing stands..." And from what I've read since that's what's been happening today.
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