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Post by swissgas on Jan 3, 2023 22:21:57 GMT
Like Pete with his post above you are proving the point I made. Instead of putting up counter arguments to take apart the post you attack the posters who hold a different opinion to you and say you won't take them seriously. Here's a serious question for you which is very relevant right now with JB wanting to spend in the transfer window. Rovers have recently been narrowly beaten by Exeter City and just about managed to overcome Cheltenham Town. We are a place below Exeter in the table and six points above Cheltenham but they have two games in hand so it's fair to say all three teams are playing at about the same level. Why is it that to achieve the same level of performance Rovers need a £4 million pa wage budget but Exeter and Cheltenham can do it with a £2 million pa wage budget ? I think that I'll compare the various achievements at the end of the season. My memory isn't 100% accurate, however, I'm sure that we were not near 3rd place this time last season, and look how that ended. That's the football fan talking BG and fair play to you because when it comes to sport we all have an element of "to hell with caution let's just go for it". But I'm talking from a business perspective and until we get the business basics right we'll never have a consistently progressive football team or a new stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 23:07:22 GMT
Thats fine if people express a balanced view.
But we all know that many on here are not capable of doing that, its not so much a case of them having a glass half full or half empty, but them having a glass fully empty come what may - and in some cases they would need a sat nav to give directions towards a bloody glass.
If some of those people gave some acknowledgement of some of the many good things (unprompted) perhaps people will then take some of their other posts that challenge the club a tad more seriously.
Like Pete with his post above you are proving the point I made. Instead of putting up counter arguments to take apart the post you attack the posters who hold a different opinion to you and say you won't take them seriously. Here's a serious question for you which is very relevant right now with JB wanting to spend in the transfer window. Rovers have recently been narrowly beaten by Exeter City and just about managed to overcome Cheltenham Town. We are a place below Exeter in the table and six points above Cheltenham but they have two games in hand so it's fair to say all three teams are playing at about the same level. Why is it that to achieve the same level of performance Rovers need a £4 million pa wage budget but Exeter and Cheltenham can do it with a £2 million pa wage budget ?
I thought the discussion was about the club apparently being almost totally taken over by Scousers, which Pete was merely pointing out was nonsense and a reason why this form was on its last legs- which you jumped on as an excuse to have a dig (as usual) at Rovers fans (as usual) that they only want to listen to 'good news'.
The amusing (or sad) thing is, these are great times for the football club. We have an exceptional management team, the makings of an excellent team, our recruitment is now as good as I can ever remember, we have a striker who is on fire who is worth millions but who we dont need to sell for peanuts because of the contractual security we have invested in (possibly a first). We have an excellent commercial set up (compared to the past), superb hospitality (look up Padded Seat for an independent view), Social Media stuff is really good, the work the likes of Pete in the ticket office is doing with the kids is superb (as is the service provided), there are more and more youngsters coming to the Mem, the Community set up is something to be proud of. The club is moving into the new world at last, we have a younger, vibrant excecutive who will target the younger fanbase to give us a future so that when we finally get the longed for stadium we will be able to maximise it.
Matchdays at the Mem are now vibrant and something to look foward to.
Thats not to say there is no room for improvement - and 'constant improvement' is now the ethos running through the club. But anyone who cant see the improvements throughout the club in recent times is either in total denial, can't have any regular dealings with the football club or maybe they just don't attend matches.
Or maybe they are just bitter about some things and BRFC is their outlet to vent. Who knows.
Some choose to latch on to the fact that we have appointed a young secretary as apparently bad thing, and use it as a reason that the club is not in a good place after all, and then have a dig at other gasheads. Its odd.
People will make up their own minds
Happy New Year by the way. Perhaps 2023 will be the year some stop posting nonsense.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 3, 2023 23:56:28 GMT
Like Pete with his post above you are proving the point I made. Instead of putting up counter arguments to take apart the post you attack the posters who hold a different opinion to you and say you won't take them seriously. Here's a serious question for you which is very relevant right now with JB wanting to spend in the transfer window. Rovers have recently been narrowly beaten by Exeter City and just about managed to overcome Cheltenham Town. We are a place below Exeter in the table and six points above Cheltenham but they have two games in hand so it's fair to say all three teams are playing at about the same level. Why is it that to achieve the same level of performance Rovers need a £4 million pa wage budget but Exeter and Cheltenham can do it with a £2 million pa wage budget ?
I thought the discussion was about the club apparently being almost totally taken over by Scousers, which Pete was merely pointing out was nonsense and a reason why this form was on its last legs- which you jumped on as an excuse to have a dig (as usual) at Rovers fans (as usual) that they only want to listen to 'good news'.
The amusing (or sad) thing is, these are great times for the football club. We have an exceptional management team, the makings of an excellent team, our recruitment is now as good as I can ever remember, we have a striker who is on fire who is worth millions but who we dont need to sell for peanuts because of the contractual security we have invested in (possibly a first). We have an excellent commercial set up (compared to the past), superb hospitality (look up Padded Seat for an independent view), Social Media stuff is really good, the work the likes of Pete in the ticket office is doing with the kids is superb (as is the service provided), there are more and more youngsters coming to the Mem, the Community set up is something to be proud of. The club is moving into the new world at last, we have a younger, vibrant excecutive who will target the younger fanbase to give us a future so that when we finally get the longed for stadium we will be able to maximise it.
Matchdays at the Mem are now vibrant and something to look foward to.
Thats not to say there is no room for improvement - and 'constant improvement' is now the ethos running through the club. But anyone who cant see the improvements throughout the club in recent times is either in total denial, can't have any regular dealings with the football club or maybe they just don't attend matches.
Or maybe they are just bitter about some things and BRFC is their outlet to vent. Who knows.
Some choose to latch on to the fact that we have appointed a young secretary as apparently bad thing, and use it as a reason that the club is not in a good place after all, and then have a dig at other gasheads. Its odd.
People will make up their own minds
Happy New Year by the way. Perhaps 2023 will be the year some stop posting nonsense.
Happy New Year to you too. I hope you don’t stop posting. How about answering the question ?
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Post by Bath Gas on Jan 4, 2023 0:24:25 GMT
I think that I'll compare the various achievements at the end of the season. My memory isn't 100% accurate, however, I'm sure that we were not near 3rd place this time last season, and look how that ended. That's the football fan talking BG and fair play to you because when it comes to sport we all have an element of "to hell with caution let's just go for it". But I'm talking from a business perspective and until we get the business basics right we'll never have a consistently progressive football team or a new stadium. I am primarily a football fan. I don't ignore the business happenings, although I'm not experienced enough to do in depth analysis etc. Mainly, football is my entertainment, and Rovers have certainly delivered that over the last 18 months. Barton has been working on getting the basics right regarding the backroom staff and facilities for the players - this can only help the team to improve and progress.
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Post by RiversGas on Jan 4, 2023 0:28:12 GMT
It's OK though as he will be off to Everton shortly.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 4, 2023 1:01:16 GMT
That's the football fan talking BG and fair play to you because when it comes to sport we all have an element of "to hell with caution let's just go for it". But I'm talking from a business perspective and until we get the business basics right we'll never have a consistently progressive football team or a new stadium. I am primarily a football fan. I don't ignore the business happenings, although I'm not experienced enough to do in depth analysis etc. Mainly, football is my entertainment, and Rovers have certainly delivered that over the last 18 months. Barton has been working on getting the basics right regarding the backroom staff and facilities for the players - this can only help the team to improve and progress. Eastville for Entertainment used to be the slogan in the 1960’s and 1970’s and like most other fans at that time I enjoyed the football experience to the maximum. But I suspect even back then there were a few fans asking “ what happens when the lease runs out ?” but their voices weren’t heard and the consensus opinion was probably “let’s live for today and tomorrow will take care of itself”. That attitude might work now but I think there is a far greater chance that it won’t and those serious issues which we are content to ignore, the stadium, the training ground completion and the financial sustainability of the business will still be looming large when JB & Co depart.
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Post by bondigas on Jan 4, 2023 8:29:26 GMT
I thought Lance Corporal Gibson was the club mentor. He's not even listed as a Director at Companies House.I wonder how much he's costing the club every week for doing nothing. He isn't listed at Companies House because he isn't a Director. He was brought in to do a top to bottom review a couple of years ago, and I presume that he probably works on a consultancy basis, as he has his own business interests.
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Post by bondigas on Jan 4, 2023 8:38:10 GMT
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 4, 2023 9:58:48 GMT
Thats fine if people express a balanced view.
But we all know that many on here are not capable of doing that, its not so much a case of them having a glass half full or half empty, but them having a glass fully empty come what may - and in some cases they would need a sat nav to give directions towards a bloody glass.
If some of those people gave some acknowledgement of some of the many good things (unprompted) perhaps people will then take some of their other posts that challenge the club a tad more seriously.
Like Pete with his post above you are proving the point I made. Instead of putting up counter arguments to take apart the post you attack the posters who hold a different opinion to you and say you won't take them seriously. Here's a serious question for you which is very relevant right now with JB wanting to spend in the transfer window. Rovers have recently been narrowly beaten by Exeter City and just about managed to overcome Cheltenham Town. We are a place below Exeter in the table and six points above Cheltenham but they have two games in hand so it's fair to say all three teams are playing at about the same level. Why is it that to achieve the same level of performance Rovers need a £4 million pa wage budget but Exeter and Cheltenham can do it with a £2 million pa wage budget ? Do we know what the wage budgets are this season? Can we see a comparison between position and budget for the division to get a better understanding please?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 10:04:55 GMT
I thought the discussion was about the club apparently being almost totally taken over by Scousers, which Pete was merely pointing out was nonsense and a reason why this form was on its last legs- which you jumped on as an excuse to have a dig (as usual) at Rovers fans (as usual) that they only want to listen to 'good news'.
The amusing (or sad) thing is, these are great times for the football club. We have an exceptional management team, the makings of an excellent team, our recruitment is now as good as I can ever remember, we have a striker who is on fire who is worth millions but who we dont need to sell for peanuts because of the contractual security we have invested in (possibly a first). We have an excellent commercial set up (compared to the past), superb hospitality (look up Padded Seat for an independent view), Social Media stuff is really good, the work the likes of Pete in the ticket office is doing with the kids is superb (as is the service provided), there are more and more youngsters coming to the Mem, the Community set up is something to be proud of. The club is moving into the new world at last, we have a younger, vibrant excecutive who will target the younger fanbase to give us a future so that when we finally get the longed for stadium we will be able to maximise it.
Matchdays at the Mem are now vibrant and something to look foward to.
Thats not to say there is no room for improvement - and 'constant improvement' is now the ethos running through the club. But anyone who cant see the improvements throughout the club in recent times is either in total denial, can't have any regular dealings with the football club or maybe they just don't attend matches.
Or maybe they are just bitter about some things and BRFC is their outlet to vent. Who knows.
Some choose to latch on to the fact that we have appointed a young secretary as apparently bad thing, and use it as a reason that the club is not in a good place after all, and then have a dig at other gasheads. Its odd.
People will make up their own minds
Happy New Year by the way. Perhaps 2023 will be the year some stop posting nonsense.
Happy New Year to you too. I hope you don’t stop posting. How about answering the question ? Not gonna go there yet again.
It is revealing though (yet sadly predictable) that you pick on Exeter & Cheltenham in an effort to somehow engineer a negative spin, wheras you could very easily have asked how Rovers could, (with a fair wind) be in the promotion conversations at the end of the season along with the likes of Derby, Ipswich and Sheff Wed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 10:15:09 GMT
Like Pete with his post above you are proving the point I made. Instead of putting up counter arguments to take apart the post you attack the posters who hold a different opinion to you and say you won't take them seriously. Here's a serious question for you which is very relevant right now with JB wanting to spend in the transfer window. Rovers have recently been narrowly beaten by Exeter City and just about managed to overcome Cheltenham Town. We are a place below Exeter in the table and six points above Cheltenham but they have two games in hand so it's fair to say all three teams are playing at about the same level. Why is it that to achieve the same level of performance Rovers need a £4 million pa wage budget but Exeter and Cheltenham can do it with a £2 million pa wage budget ? Do we know what the wage budgets are this season? Can we see a comparison between position and budget for the division to get a better understanding please?I think I read somehere that historically, promotion wage budgets have been between £3m and £8m pa. That was a few years aho though.
But if you are looking at this properly you need to analyse the income/business generating potential of the clubs in question - who will rely on their stadium to do that. That gives you get an informed view rather than just look at the wage budget.
Hense Rovers are more reliant on owner funding than many others due to the Mem limitations as its the only way we can compete until new stadium is delivered.
One or two people seem to resent that fact though, or maybe just live in a different world that has long since gone.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jan 4, 2023 11:21:51 GMT
Although the article describes him as a "non-executive director", he has never been registered at Companies House, so presumably the wrong interpretation was put on describing his role. Our previous Club Secretary was both experienced and diligent, so if Colonel Gibson needed to be registered with Companies House, he would have been. The announcement was made during Martyn Starnes tenure, so I guess the misunderstanding sits with him.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 5, 2023 9:09:00 GMT
It's not just Barton. It's the almost total scousification of Bristol Rovers. If the pattern continues, next to go will be Tom Gorringe. I understand that suitable replacements are available in the north west of England. And you wonder why this forum is dead on its feet ? I don't think you quite get the idea of a forum do you Pete? People post their thoughts and then others counter. Simply offering a sarcastic response hardly engenders debate. Why not challenge what has been said rather than offer a closed statement which is factually incorrect. Whilst this forum is not as active as GasChat there have actually been more posts recently. So why not counter with a constructive post? I and others would certainly appreciate it. Best regards Cheshire
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 5, 2023 11:58:00 GMT
And you wonder why this forum is dead on its feet ? I don't think you quite get the idea of a forum do you Pete? People post their thoughts and then others counter. Simply offering a sarcastic response hardly engenders debate. Why not challenge what has been said rather than offer a closed statement which is factually incorrect. Whilst this forum is not as active as GasChat there have actually been more posts recently. So why not counter with a constructive post? I and others would certainly appreciate it. Best regards Cheshire Well said, no need to catty one liners which are not true. There could be another time when this is the only forum. You just never know
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Post by swissgas on Jan 5, 2023 19:02:26 GMT
Like Pete with his post above you are proving the point I made. Instead of putting up counter arguments to take apart the post you attack the posters who hold a different opinion to you and say you won't take them seriously. Here's a serious question for you which is very relevant right now with JB wanting to spend in the transfer window. Rovers have recently been narrowly beaten by Exeter City and just about managed to overcome Cheltenham Town. We are a place below Exeter in the table and six points above Cheltenham but they have two games in hand so it's fair to say all three teams are playing at about the same level. Why is it that to achieve the same level of performance Rovers need a £4 million pa wage budget but Exeter and Cheltenham can do it with a £2 million pa wage budget ? Do we know what the wage budgets are this season? Can we see a comparison between position and budget for the division to get a better understanding please? I don't think there is a definitive way of knowing exactly what the wage budgets are LG but from various websites and looking at the accounts of clubs which publish their profit and loss accounts you can get a good idea. In addition, when asked about an increase in playing budget at the start of the season, Tom Gorringe said the budget would go up by the amount which central funding increased between League 2 and League 1 so I think my figures for the wage budgets of the three clubs are fair estimates. Obviously clubs like Sheffield Wednesday and Ipswich have far bigger budgets than Rovers while Morecambe and Accrington will be paying less than Cheltenham and Exeter but all these clubs seem to have a strategic plan, for example, Ipswich promotion, Exeter consolidation, Morecambe survival. The question is really aimed at finding out whether others think Rovers have a strategic plan and if so what it is and how it is going to be achieved. When Rovers lose a few games we are told "don't worry we're doing OK because consolidation was always the aim this season" and when we win a few games we are told " promotion is possible and we may have to spend a bit more in January but we can still do it". To me this is not credible and you are either going for consolidation and setting budgets accordingly or you are going for promotion and your investment in the playing budget reflects that. To be fair I made the same point last season and suggested it was unwise for JB to increase his net spend in the January window. He probably did though with the signing of Loft and it could have been by a considerable amount depending on how much of Anderson's wages we were paying. The gamble paid off but only by the narrowest of margins and that was when Rovers definitely were planning for promotion. But it's not the way a sensible business with a sensible long term strategy operates and IMO this season should have been about consolidation while formulating a plan to progress to the next level. That would have provided Gasheads with the interesting discussion topic of how the extra £ 1 - 2 million or so we are currently paying in wages could be better invested.
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Post by imanobody on Jan 5, 2023 19:22:24 GMT
Why try and compare how a football club is run to a normal business? West Ham have just announced a record £12 million profit for last season, if you were a hammers fan by my reckoning you would be chuffed with that. But in reality it looks like they’re getting relegated and losing their star player Declan Rice. You spin the same old story every time, just enjoy the football and let those who run the club worry about finances. UTG
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Post by swissgas on Jan 5, 2023 19:37:13 GMT
Happy New Year to you too. I hope you don’t stop posting. How about answering the question ? Not gonna go there yet again.
It is revealing though (yet sadly predictable) that you pick on Exeter & Cheltenham in an effort to somehow engineer a negative spin, wheras you could very easily have asked how Rovers could, (with a fair wind) be in the promotion conversations at the end of the season along with the likes of Derby, Ipswich and Sheff Wed
I'm inspired to reply by Aghast on the other forum who has pushed back against Gashead 81's attempt to close down discussion about redeveloping the Mem. Someone else had put considerable thought into how it could possibly be done and, wham, the party apparatus swings into action to try to stifle that wayward thinking. We are allowed to talk about the commercial set up so long as we call it "excellent", the hospitality so long as we call it "superb", social media "really good" and the club shop/ ticketing also "superb" with the proviso that if anything is not quite excellent, superb or really good it must be the fault of someone else. But any questioning of whether our wage budget is being managed to provide value for money or whether the Mem could be successfully redeveloped is immediately shut down. "Not gonna go there" seems to be the stock answer but why do you feel so threatened by discussion of the long term things which really matter to Rovers, financial sustainability and a new stadium ?
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Post by swissgas on Jan 5, 2023 19:53:19 GMT
Why try and compare how a football club is run to a normal business? West Ham have just announced a record £12 million profit for last season, if you were a hammers fan by my reckoning you would be chuffed with that. But in reality it looks like they’re getting relegated and losing their star player Declan Rice. You spin the same old story every time, just enjoy the football and let those who run the club worry about finances. UTG Because I'd like Rovers to aspire to be like West Ham with 25 seasons in the Premier League and a 60 000 capacity stadium. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the football but that doesn't stop us having a strategic plan rather than relying on a lottery ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 20:23:18 GMT
Why try and compare how a football club is run to a normal business? West Ham have just announced a record £12 million profit for last season, if you were a hammers fan by my reckoning you would be chuffed with that. But in reality it looks like they’re getting relegated and losing their star player Declan Rice. You spin the same old story every time, just enjoy the football and let those who run the club worry about finances. UTG
Arsenal have recently announced a £45m loss - they have just taken out a huge loan I believe.
Still, whilst Arsenal fans are shaking their head in dismay at being top of the Premier League Im sure you are right and the Hammers fans are celebrating in the bars with Karen Brady hosted aloft singing and celebrating that they have made a proft (and looking forward to the championship)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 20:40:51 GMT
Not gonna go there yet again.
It is revealing though (yet sadly predictable) that you pick on Exeter & Cheltenham in an effort to somehow engineer a negative spin, wheras you could very easily have asked how Rovers could, (with a fair wind) be in the promotion conversations at the end of the season along with the likes of Derby, Ipswich and Sheff Wed
I'm inspired to reply by Aghast on the other forum who has pushed back against Gashead 81's attempt to close down discussion about redeveloping the Mem. Someone else had put considerable thought into how it could possibly be done and, wham, the party apparatus swings into action to try to stifle that wayward thinking. We are allowed to talk about the commercial set up so long as we call it "excellent", the hospitality so long as we call it "superb", social media "really good" and the club shop/ ticketing also "superb" with the proviso that if anything is not quite excellent, superb or really good it must be the fault of someone else. But any questioning of whether our wage budget is being managed to provide value for money or whether the Mem could be successfully redeveloped is immediately shut down.
"Not gonna go there" seems to be the stock answer but why do you feel so threatened by discussion of the long term things which really matter to Rovers, financial sustainability and a new stadium ? You are allowed top talk about what you want.
But dont expect debate because its boring and repetitive as you quote the same stuff over and over and over again, and if the club followed your mantra there would be no 7-0 experience, no Lee Brown moment, and the whole essence of supporting a football team ceases.
It becomes pointless.
Like many of the posts.
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