Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 25, 2022 12:19:53 GMT
It is called free speech in our so called free society. Or do you agree with the former Home Secretary Sue Ellen Braverman that most forms of protest should be banned? One day they will come for you Bas and there will be no one to shout for you as we will all be locked up by the sounds of it if you have your way..... A couple of weeks ago my neice took her grandad to UWE for his Covid jab. He's 94 and very vulnerable. When they got there it was closed because of protesters. I'm sure you'll agree that free speech is one thing, stopping the rest of society going about its lawful business is quite another. The bawling buffoon Bas refers to stops me from hearing informed comment from politicians and journalists with rather more insight than said buffoon. But hey, if mob rule is your thing... So free speech is now 'mob rule' [which I don't believe in much as you would like to give the impression I do] Yes people are inconvenienced by protest, that's the idea. I don't believe in all types of protest that some carry out, especially violent, aggressive or vandalising forms of protest. But as long as protests are lawful they should be allowed. Steve Bray who protests about the lies told by the Leave campaign and wishes to re-join the EU is hardly a 'mob'. One man protest. Not how I would choose to do it but we live in a free society in spite of what many right wingers want. Out of interest what were the protestors at UWE protesting about and was your niece aware that there would be protest?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 25, 2022 12:22:20 GMT
It is called free speech in our so called free society. Or do you agree with the former Home Secretary Sue Ellen Braverman that most forms of protest should be banned? One day they will come for you Bas and there will be no one to shout for you as we will all be locked up by the sounds of it if you have your way..... Sue Ellen,JRs Mrs? Sue Ellen [her real name] or Suella Braverman the former Home Secretary. Would you now care to inform us what you meant by - 'The forum has become a miserable place and it's demise has been supported by our admin team of John Bercows.
Not a Joe Barton supporter amongst them.'
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Post by baselswh on Oct 25, 2022 12:33:46 GMT
Great! Here's to another 18 months of sanctimonious piss,from those that feel they have to cleanse us all of JB. Bring it on snowflake x 😏
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 12:40:27 GMT
Is it a full moon today? We had a partial solar eclipse, so who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 12:43:15 GMT
Okay Basil, today is now day one of me not writing anything negative about Joey Barton on a Gas Guzzler thread clearly titled 'Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers'. If it works like that, I'm starting a thread called: "Penelope Cruz and Salma Hayek want me for a sex slave".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 12:46:23 GMT
Okay Basil, today is now day one of me not writing anything negative about Joey Barton on a Gas Guzzler thread clearly titled 'Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers'. If it works like that, I'm starting a thread called: "Penelope Cruz and Salma Hayek want me for a sex slave". Shakes head in Spanish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 12:46:58 GMT
No [edit - it's not a full moon today] in fact you can only really have a solar eclipse on a new moon. A full moon requires the moon to be the other side of the earth from the sun, and therefore 'up' mainly at night time. A new moon is on the same side as the sun, so 'up' in the day time, and occasionally in the way, hence eclipsing the sun. Basil's just had enough of some Gasheads' distaste for Barton. Luckily for him, lots of them aren't here as much, and one of us is not mentioning it.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 25, 2022 12:50:38 GMT
Okay Basil, today is now day one of me not writing anything negative about Joey Barton on a Gas Guzzler thread clearly titled 'Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers'. If it works like that, I'm starting a thread called: "Penelope Cruz and Salma Hayek want me for a sex slave". I work with a young lady that is the spitting image of Salma Hayek! Meetings can be [cough!] distracting.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 12:51:55 GMT
If it works like that, I'm starting a thread called: "Penelope Cruz and Salma Hayek want me for a sex slave". Shakes head in Spanish. That I do know. Sacudiendo mi cabeza. 🇪🇸🏴☠️
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Post by bloogas on Oct 25, 2022 13:08:21 GMT
A couple of weeks ago my neice took her grandad to UWE for his Covid jab. He's 94 and very vulnerable. When they got there it was closed because of protesters. I'm sure you'll agree that free speech is one thing, stopping the rest of society going about its lawful business is quite another. The bawling buffoon Bas refers to stops me from hearing informed comment from politicians and journalists with rather more insight than said buffoon. But hey, if mob rule is your thing... So free speech is now 'mob rule' [which I don't believe in much as you would like to give the impression I do] Yes people are inconvenienced by protest, that's the idea. I don't believe in all types of protest that some carry out, especially violent, aggressive or vandalising forms of protest. But as long as protests are lawful they should be allowed. Steve Bray who protests about the lies told by the Leave campaign and wishes to re-join the EU is hardly a 'mob'. One man protest. Not how I would choose to do it but we live in a free society in spite of what many right wingers want. Out of interest what were the protestors at UWE protesting about and was your niece aware that there would be protest? They were protesting about the use of vaccines and trying to prevent it. No, most definitely she was not aware that there was to be a protest - she is not so stupid as to bother to go had she known. Where did I say Mr Bray is a mob? He certainly seeks to suppress free speech by drowning out anyone else. Some people are "inconvenienced" - like getting to work or hospital? Or have vital vaccination? By all means free speech, but not as an excuse for antisocial behaviour.
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Post by trymer on Oct 25, 2022 13:22:40 GMT
So free speech is now 'mob rule' [which I don't believe in much as you would like to give the impression I do] Yes people are inconvenienced by protest, that's the idea. I don't believe in all types of protest that some carry out, especially violent, aggressive or vandalising forms of protest. But as long as protests are lawful they should be allowed. Steve Bray who protests about the lies told by the Leave campaign and wishes to re-join the EU is hardly a 'mob'. One man protest. Not how I would choose to do it but we live in a free society in spite of what many right wingers want. Out of interest what were the protestors at UWE protesting about and was your niece aware that there would be protest? They were protesting about the use of vaccines and trying to prevent it. No, most definitely she was not aware that there was to be a protest - she is not so stupid as to bother to go had she known. Where did I say Mr Bray is a mob? He certainly seeks to suppress free speech by drowning out anyone else. Some people are "inconvenienced" - like getting to work or hospital? Or have vital vaccination? By all means free speech, but not as an excuse for antisocial behaviour. I totally agree but more importantly so does Sir Keir, he says that these "protesters" are arrogant and they need harsh sentences ! good old Sir Keir !
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 25, 2022 13:44:04 GMT
They were protesting about the use of vaccines and trying to prevent it. No, most definitely she was not aware that there was to be a protest - she is not so stupid as to bother to go had she known. Where did I say Mr Bray is a mob? He certainly seeks to suppress free speech by drowning out anyone else. Some people are "inconvenienced" - like getting to work or hospital? Or have vital vaccination? By all means free speech, but not as an excuse for antisocial behaviour. I wasn't assuming your niece was stupid, just wanted to know whether this was a lawfully planned demonstration or not. I certainly don't agree with antisocial behaviour as I pointed out and don't agree with those who would restrict people going for medical interventions. My wife works for the ambulance service frontline and meets enough anti social behaviour. However there is a difference between the latter and inconveniencing people going to work. Tell me, two differing questions, do you believe in the right of people to withdraw their labour by way of striking? And do you believe people should be able to express their opinion freely on this forum about Joey Barton, good or bad? I ask as the two views seem to have become conflated.
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Post by dido on Oct 25, 2022 13:53:09 GMT
That I do know. Sacudiendo mi cabeza. 🇪🇸🏴☠️ A hispanophone would probably say 'sacudiendo la cabeza' as there is no need to specify that it is your head you are shaking. You wouldn't be shaking someone else's head, would you? - (well, unless you were José Barton of course) {¡Joder! Una caja de gusanos allí}
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 14:07:35 GMT
That I do know. Sacudiendo mi cabeza. 🇪🇸🏴☠️ A hispanophone would probably say 'sacudiendo la cabeza' as there is no need to specify that it is your head you are shaking. You wouldn't be shaking someone else's head, would you? - (well, unless you were José Barton of course) {¡Joder! Una caja de gusanos allí} Hmm...possibly. I'm sticking by my initial post. You can keep your worms for throwing out elsewhere when you go fishing Mr Dido. 👑🇪🇸🎣
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Post by bloogas on Oct 25, 2022 14:20:06 GMT
They were protesting about the use of vaccines and trying to prevent it. No, most definitely she was not aware that there was to be a protest - she is not so stupid as to bother to go had she known. Where did I say Mr Bray is a mob? He certainly seeks to suppress free speech by drowning out anyone else. Some people are "inconvenienced" - like getting to work or hospital? Or have vital vaccination? By all means free speech, but not as an excuse for antisocial behaviour. I wasn't assuming your niece was stupid, just wanted to know whether this was a lawfully planned demonstration or not. I certainly don't agree with antisocial behaviour as I pointed out and don't agree with those who would restrict people going for medical interventions. My wife works for the ambulance service frontline and meets enough anti social behaviour. However there is a difference between the latter and inconveniencing people going to work. Tell me, two differing questions, do you believe in the right of people to withdraw their labour by way of striking? And do you believe people should be able to express their opinion freely on this forum about Joey Barton, good or bad? I ask as the two views seem to have become conflated. Withdraw labour - at any time, under any circumstances? Of course people can express their views on JB on this forum. Where have I said otherwise? What I object to are insinuations that if one isn't anti-Barton, one is morally lacking. I didn't do the conflating.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 25, 2022 14:42:33 GMT
I wasn't assuming your niece was stupid, just wanted to know whether this was a lawfully planned demonstration or not. I certainly don't agree with antisocial behaviour as I pointed out and don't agree with those who would restrict people going for medical interventions. My wife works for the ambulance service frontline and meets enough anti social behaviour. However there is a difference between the latter and inconveniencing people going to work. Tell me, two differing questions, do you believe in the right of people to withdraw their labour by way of striking? And do you believe people should be able to express their opinion freely on this forum about Joey Barton, good or bad? I ask as the two views seem to have become conflated. Withdraw labour - at any time, under any circumstances? Of course people can express their views on JB on this forum. Where have I said otherwise? What I object to are insinuations that if one isn't anti-Barton, one is morally lacking. I didn't do the conflating. There are clearly moral reasons for suspending, sacking or not employing JB in the first place, which have been lucidly outlined and explained in detail by others. There could conceivably be a moral case for continuing to employ JB, but it is subject to various contingencies, including acceptance of responsibility for past actions, contrition etc. As such, it currently only exists in the realm of hypothetical possibility. But with a few rare exceptions, I don't think I have yet heard anybody advance a moral argument for continuing to support JB. I have however heard it said or implied that moral factors (dismissal of objectors as sanctimonious, preachy etc) are not relevant and/or important in this case. This seems to me to be more amoral than immoral?
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 25, 2022 15:27:35 GMT
You don't speak for me - I've never specified a set number of games. Fair enough, if someone wants to carry on supporting drawing at Barrow when they have 10 players, getting hammered by Exeter, who hadn't scored all season but destroyed us, and now slumping to a limp defeat at Hartlepool, that's your prerogative. Do you know the way to Wealdstone? Looking back through this thread, I laughed at this reply - it didn't age well.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 25, 2022 15:30:10 GMT
He wasn’t that bad a caretaker coach. In hindsight if he had taken the reigns following Garner or tisdales exit then things could have been different for both him and the club. Did I not say after Tisdale's departure, Widdrington should have managed the team until the end of the season. They were his players and they had his trust. There is no hindsight to realise that he couldn't have done worse than what Barton did last season or this. Ah, if only we'd stuck with good ol' Tommy!
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 25, 2022 15:33:31 GMT
The Exeter verdict: Good to get one over such a wrong'un....hopefully goes some way too highlighting his lack of competence. The Club & fans deserve so much more than him. Turns out that his competence wasn't too bad after all.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 25, 2022 15:39:54 GMT
There is light at the end of the tunnel. Pirate posted an interview with Chris Hargreaves, who said that he was up for a managerial job. I thought that he was not interested in moving up from Academy. There is a clearly a replacement when the narcissist disappears up his own backside. Hargreaves. Steady, intelligent. Knows the club. Otherwise, give it back to Paul Trolloppe and quick. Tick tock. Chris Hargreaves, wonder where he is now? A good thing that us fans don't appoint the managers!
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