harrybuckle
Always look on the bright side
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5,565 
|
Post by harrybuckle on Feb 5, 2021 22:27:30 GMT
An opportunity for the failing squad to get their pride back and to stop the goals being conceded.
Expecting a reaction from the team and major team changes Hare, Hargreaves, Walker, Liddle, Kioki, Phillips et al who must be given their chance to change Rovers fortunes.
A tough place to go and the home side have a new manager who will be desperate for an early win.
Not for the faint hearted.
UTG
|
|
basel
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 3,064
|
Post by basel on Feb 5, 2021 23:25:08 GMT
When PT was getting a couple of good results,early in his time with us,he was coaching easy,basic tactics.
He mentioned going back to "page 1" of the coaching manual the other day,after our thrashing by Stanley.
So maybe this will work out, as it did before.
Know your job.Do it on the field play.
We can get a result.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 23:55:23 GMT
Well if the players aren't up for this one after Tuesdays debacle then we will know that they aren't desperate to save their League 1 careers.
Fingers crossed and squeaky bum time.
|
|
|
|
Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Feb 6, 2021 7:48:18 GMT
Their form hasn't been much better than ours since Barton left so it could go either way. I don't expect a dire draw so I'll go for 2-2. I'd like to see more composure on the ball and less hurry scurry.
|
|
phil74
Joined: October 2018
Posts: 354
|
Post by phil74 on Feb 6, 2021 7:54:31 GMT
Today is all about mentality.
I've looked back at our results in games following previous thrashings - some of which led to managers leaving.
2010 / 11 - the 6 - 2 defeat at Sheff Wed led to Trollope leaving after 5 years. First game afterwards: 0 - 2 at MK Dons. Things actually got worse, with 12 defeats in the next 17 games, including a 6 - 1 drubbing at Walsall. This was the year of Dave Penney, Stuart Campbell - and ultimately - relegation to League Two.
2011 / 12 - a 2 - 0 loss at Barnet proved to be the last game for Paul Buckle. This came hot on the heels of two heavy home defeats: 2 - 3 to Plymouth and 2 - 5 to Crewe. Buckle had fallen out badly with both players and fans. First game after he left: a 2 - 1 win at Hereford under caretaker boss Shaun North. Mark McGhee took over soon afterwards and our form turned for the better, with only 2 defeats in 10.
2012 / 13 - the wheels were coming off under McGhee. The Gas were 4 - 1 down before HT at York (sounds familiar?!) and the board pulled the trigger. John Ward took over and we secured a 2 - 2 draw at Adlershot. Form picked up noticeably, with 6 wins in the next 9.
2018 / 19 - a 0 - 4 home defeat to Doncaster ended Darrell's reign. GC took over just before Christmas with us in the relegation zone. Although his first game was a 2 - 1 loss at Sunderland, we showed a lot of spirit. Results again improved, with only 2 defeats in the next 16. We stayed up.
Conclusions:
In the game immediately after a game where we've been thrashed and / or the manager has lost their job, we've NEVER kept a clean sheet. However, we did win one (after Buckle left). The question on my mind is: what type of team are we this season? Are we the 2010 / 11 squad - where the 6 - 1 drubbing at Sheff Wed only led to more humiliating scores and relegation; or the 2018/19 team who have enough in us mentally to turn this around?
In all those previous cases, the heavy defeats did lead to managers losing their jobs. We can only guess what results would have been like if they'd stayed in post.
At the moment, this season's situation is different: Tisdale is still in charge. The others had been in post longer (although Buckle had only been boss for six months).
Predictions for today at Fleetwood:
If we're a 2010 / 11 team... it's certainly a 0 - 2 or 0 - 3 defeat and I think Tisdale will go. The Fleetwood team will be desperate to impress their new boss. Their long overdue a win and don't concede many goals.
If we're a DC / GC team... we can possibly hope for a 1 - 1 battling draw. Fleetwood should also be low on confidence after a poor run themselves.
I expect Tisdale to play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 with Daly replacing Hanlon up front. If Upson is fit (doubtful?), I expect him to return. It'll be interesting to see whether Oztumer and Westbrooke play too. It's clear they have plenty of talent, but I sense PT is very disappointed with them.
UTG
|
|
harrybuckle
Always look on the bright side
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5,565
|
Post by harrybuckle on Feb 6, 2021 9:29:03 GMT
Today is all about mentality. I've looked back at our results in games following previous thrashings - some of which led to managers leaving. 2010 / 11 - the 6 - 2 defeat at Sheff Wed led to Trollope leaving after 5 years. First game afterwards: 0 - 2 at MK Dons. Things actually got worse, with 12 defeats in the next 17 games, including a 6 - 1 drubbing at Walsall. This was the year of Dave Penney, Stuart Campbell - and ultimately - relegation to League Two. 2011 / 12 - a 2 - 0 loss at Barnet proved to be the last game for Paul Buckle. This came hot on the heels of two heavy home defeats: 2 - 3 to Plymouth and 2 - 5 to Crewe. Buckle had fallen out badly with both players and fans. First game after he left: a 2 - 1 win at Hereford under caretaker boss Shaun North. Mark McGhee took over soon afterwards and our form turned for the better, with only 2 defeats in 10. 2012 / 13 - the wheels were coming off under McGhee. The Gas were 4 - 1 down before HT at York (sounds familiar?!) and the board pulled the trigger. John Ward took over and we secured a 2 - 2 draw at Adlershot. Form picked up noticeably, with 6 wins in the next 9. 2018 / 19 - a 0 - 4 home defeat to Doncaster ended Darrell's reign. GC took over just before Christmas with us in the relegation zone. Although his first game was a 2 - 1 loss at Sunderland, we showed a lot of spirit. Results again improved, with only 2 defeats in the next 16. We stayed up. Conclusions: In the game immediately after a game where we've been thrashed and / or the manager has lost their job, we've NEVER kept a clean sheet. However, we did win one (after Buckle left). The question on my mind is: what type of team are we this season? Are we the 2010 / 11 squad - where the 6 - 1 drubbing at Sheff Wed only led to more humiliating scores and relegation; or the 2018/19 team who have enough in us mentally to turn this around? In all those previous cases, the heavy defeats did lead to managers losing their jobs. We can only guess what results would have been like if they'd stayed in post. At the moment, this season's situation is different: Tisdale is still in charge. The others had been in post longer (although Buckle had only been boss for six months). Predictions for today at Fleetwood: If we're a 2010 / 11 team... it's certainly a 0 - 2 or 0 - 3 defeat and I think Tisdale will go. The Fleetwood team will be desperate to impress their new boss. Their long overdue a win and don't concede many goals. If we're a DC / GC team... we can possibly hope for a 1 - 1 battling draw. Fleetwood should also be low on confidence after a poor run themselves. I expect Tisdale to play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 with Daly replacing Hanlon up front. If Upson is fit (doubtful?), I expect him to return. It'll be interesting to see whether Oztumer and Westbrooke play too. It's clear they have plenty of talent, but I sense PT is very disappointed with them. UTG Phil another superb well written post I don't know you as far as I know but I want to award you a copy of the new Alfie Biggs book which will be published in the summertime hopefully after lockdown.Would you consider joining our Rovers History group because your attention to detail in everything you write is valuable to our group. Look forward to hearing from you. UTG |
|
eppinggas
Administrator
Ian Alexander
Don't care
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 8,600
|
Post by eppinggas on Feb 6, 2021 9:36:35 GMT
Simon Grayson is the new Fleetwood manager, I think he's pretty good. Obviously hoping for an improved performance, but a very tough place to get a win. I'd definitely take a point and a chance for PTv2 to steady the ship and restore some confidence. I think he'll play it safe. I don't think youngsters will be thrown in (sorry harrybuckle ). I'm not expecting big changes. Just a bloody change in players attitude. Predicted line up (not necessarily my own): Day Williams Ehmer Kilgour Baldwin Leahy Grant Westbrooke Oztumer Nicholson Hanlan I don't think Daly will be risked as a starter yet. Hanlan has had no service recently, so I don't think he deserves to be dropped. Who knows? |
|
Rex
Predictions League
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 3,287
|
Post by Rex on Feb 6, 2021 10:11:53 GMT
Today is all about mentality. I've looked back at our results in games following previous thrashings - some of which led to managers leaving. 2010 / 11 - the 6 - 2 defeat at Sheff Wed led to Trollope leaving after 5 years. First game afterwards: 0 - 2 at MK Dons. Things actually got worse, with 12 defeats in the next 17 games, including a 6 - 1 drubbing at Walsall. This was the year of Dave Penney, Stuart Campbell - and ultimately - relegation to League Two. 2011 / 12 - a 2 - 0 loss at Barnet proved to be the last game for Paul Buckle. This came hot on the heels of two heavy home defeats: 2 - 3 to Plymouth and 2 - 5 to Crewe. Buckle had fallen out badly with both players and fans. First game after he left: a 2 - 1 win at Hereford under caretaker boss Shaun North. Mark McGhee took over soon afterwards and our form turned for the better, with only 2 defeats in 10. 2012 / 13 - the wheels were coming off under McGhee. The Gas were 4 - 1 down before HT at York (sounds familiar?!) and the board pulled the trigger. John Ward took over and we secured a 2 - 2 draw at Adlershot. Form picked up noticeably, with 6 wins in the next 9. 2018 / 19 - a 0 - 4 home defeat to Doncaster ended Darrell's reign. GC took over just before Christmas with us in the relegation zone. Although his first game was a 2 - 1 loss at Sunderland, we showed a lot of spirit. Results again improved, with only 2 defeats in the next 16. We stayed up. Conclusions: In the game immediately after a game where we've been thrashed and / or the manager has lost their job, we've NEVER kept a clean sheet. However, we did win one (after Buckle left). The question on my mind is: what type of team are we this season? Are we the 2010 / 11 squad - where the 6 - 1 drubbing at Sheff Wed only led to more humiliating scores and relegation; or the 2018/19 team who have enough in us mentally to turn this around? In all those previous cases, the heavy defeats did lead to managers losing their jobs. We can only guess what results would have been like if they'd stayed in post. At the moment, this season's situation is different: Tisdale is still in charge. The others had been in post longer (although Buckle had only been boss for six months). Predictions for today at Fleetwood: If we're a 2010 / 11 team... it's certainly a 0 - 2 or 0 - 3 defeat and I think Tisdale will go. The Fleetwood team will be desperate to impress their new boss. Their long overdue a win and don't concede many goals. If we're a DC / GC team... we can possibly hope for a 1 - 1 battling draw. Fleetwood should also be low on confidence after a poor run themselves. I expect Tisdale to play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 with Daly replacing Hanlon up front. If Upson is fit (doubtful?), I expect him to return. It'll be interesting to see whether Oztumer and Westbrooke play too. It's clear they have plenty of talent, but I sense PT is very disappointed with them. UTG I hope he doesn't. I have no idea or not whether Tisdale can turn things around, but I'm pretty sure continually hiring and firing managers in a desperate hope that we may find the right man won't be the answer. |
|
|
|
Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 6, 2021 10:47:57 GMT
Another thrashing today, especially where the players give up on 17 mins, and Fleetwood could be responsible for TWO managerial changes in a season?!
It's looking grim.
.... but the strange thing is, when the chips are down and we're staring defeat in the face, sometimes we find it within ourselves to turn it around. Will today be such a day?
|
|
TaiwanGas
Paul Bannon
Tom Ramasuts Left Foot.
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 1,537
|
Post by TaiwanGas on Feb 6, 2021 12:55:37 GMT
Hope they turn up and have a go today, cannot see us scoring as Hanlan will be marked out of the game, we need him to start facing the opponents goal and knocking balls through for him to run onto, he has got pace!, usually he has his back to goal and waits for a pass, he then needs to trap & turn, beat his man and try to find space for a shot, not easy!.
Hope Daly gets some game time to help bring him up to speed, hoping for a 0-0 and a clean sheet, looking no further than that!.
|
|
eppinggas
Administrator
Ian Alexander
Don't care
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 8,600
|
Post by eppinggas on Feb 6, 2021 14:04:42 GMT
Simon Grayson is the new Fleetwood manager, I think he's pretty good. Obviously hoping for an improved performance, but a very tough place to get a win. I'd definitely take a point and a chance for PTv2 to steady the ship and restore some confidence. I think he'll play it safe. I don't think youngsters will be thrown in (sorry harrybuckle ). I'm not expecting big changes. Just a bloody change in players attitude. Predicted line up (not necessarily my own): Day Williams Ehmer Kilgour Baldwin Leahy Grant Westbrooke Oztumer Nicholson Hanlan I don't think Daly will be risked as a starter yet. Hanlan has had no service recently, so I don't think he deserves to be dropped. Who knows? |
|
eppinggas
Administrator
Ian Alexander
Don't care
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 8,600
|
Post by eppinggas on Feb 6, 2021 14:09:47 GMT
So GK + back 5 as per. Liddle (forgot about him) in for Westbrooke. Daly does get a start and Oztumer benched. UTG.
|
|
warehamgas
Predictions League
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 3,590
|
Post by warehamgas on Feb 6, 2021 14:13:58 GMT
Today is all about mentality. I've looked back at our results in games following previous thrashings - some of which led to managers leaving. 2010 / 11 - the 6 - 2 defeat at Sheff Wed led to Trollope leaving after 5 years. First game afterwards: 0 - 2 at MK Dons. Things actually got worse, with 12 defeats in the next 17 games, including a 6 - 1 drubbing at Walsall. This was the year of Dave Penney, Stuart Campbell - and ultimately - relegation to League Two. 2011 / 12 - a 2 - 0 loss at Barnet proved to be the last game for Paul Buckle. This came hot on the heels of two heavy home defeats: 2 - 3 to Plymouth and 2 - 5 to Crewe. Buckle had fallen out badly with both players and fans. First game after he left: a 2 - 1 win at Hereford under caretaker boss Shaun North. Mark McGhee took over soon afterwards and our form turned for the better, with only 2 defeats in 10. 2012 / 13 - the wheels were coming off under McGhee. The Gas were 4 - 1 down before HT at York (sounds familiar?!) and the board pulled the trigger. John Ward took over and we secured a 2 - 2 draw at Adlershot. Form picked up noticeably, with 6 wins in the next 9. 2018 / 19 - a 0 - 4 home defeat to Doncaster ended Darrell's reign. GC took over just before Christmas with us in the relegation zone. Although his first game was a 2 - 1 loss at Sunderland, we showed a lot of spirit. Results again improved, with only 2 defeats in the next 16. We stayed up. Conclusions: In the game immediately after a game where we've been thrashed and / or the manager has lost their job, we've NEVER kept a clean sheet. However, we did win one (after Buckle left). The question on my mind is: what type of team are we this season? Are we the 2010 / 11 squad - where the 6 - 1 drubbing at Sheff Wed only led to more humiliating scores and relegation; or the 2018/19 team who have enough in us mentally to turn this around? In all those previous cases, the heavy defeats did lead to managers losing their jobs. We can only guess what results would have been like if they'd stayed in post. At the moment, this season's situation is different: Tisdale is still in charge. The others had been in post longer (although Buckle had only been boss for six months). Predictions for today at Fleetwood: If we're a 2010 / 11 team... it's certainly a 0 - 2 or 0 - 3 defeat and I think Tisdale will go. The Fleetwood team will be desperate to impress their new boss. Their long overdue a win and don't concede many goals. If we're a DC / GC team... we can possibly hope for a 1 - 1 battling draw. Fleetwood should also be low on confidence after a poor run themselves. I expect Tisdale to play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 with Daly replacing Hanlon up front. If Upson is fit (doubtful?), I expect him to return. It'll be interesting to see whether Oztumer and Westbrooke play too. It's clear they have plenty of talent, but I sense PT is very disappointed with them. UTG Great research Phil, thanks. But going back to a 0-9 defeat at Spurs in October 77 which was as worse, though the context wasn’t. It was on MOTD so even more pointed, but following that we achieved a 0-0 draw with Saints followed by a 2-0 win against Millwall. But different times and very different attitudes I guess. UTG! |
|
|
|
Post by hungerfordgas on Feb 6, 2021 14:20:48 GMT
I can't understand all the criticism about Tuesdays performance. After 3 days I summoned the courage to watch/analyse the highlights and it looked bloody cold in Accrington!
|
|
kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,361
|
Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 6, 2021 14:26:27 GMT
Today is all about mentality. I've looked back at our results in games following previous thrashings - some of which led to managers leaving. 2010 / 11 - the 6 - 2 defeat at Sheff Wed led to Trollope leaving after 5 years. First game afterwards: 0 - 2 at MK Dons. Things actually got worse, with 12 defeats in the next 17 games, including a 6 - 1 drubbing at Walsall. This was the year of Dave Penney, Stuart Campbell - and ultimately - relegation to League Two. 2011 / 12 - a 2 - 0 loss at Barnet proved to be the last game for Paul Buckle. This came hot on the heels of two heavy home defeats: 2 - 3 to Plymouth and 2 - 5 to Crewe. Buckle had fallen out badly with both players and fans. First game after he left: a 2 - 1 win at Hereford under caretaker boss Shaun North. Mark McGhee took over soon afterwards and our form turned for the better, with only 2 defeats in 10. 2012 / 13 - the wheels were coming off under McGhee. The Gas were 4 - 1 down before HT at York (sounds familiar?!) and the board pulled the trigger. John Ward took over and we secured a 2 - 2 draw at Adlershot. Form picked up noticeably, with 6 wins in the next 9. 2018 / 19 - a 0 - 4 home defeat to Doncaster ended Darrell's reign. GC took over just before Christmas with us in the relegation zone. Although his first game was a 2 - 1 loss at Sunderland, we showed a lot of spirit. Results again improved, with only 2 defeats in the next 16. We stayed up. Conclusions: In the game immediately after a game where we've been thrashed and / or the manager has lost their job, we've NEVER kept a clean sheet. However, we did win one (after Buckle left). The question on my mind is: what type of team are we this season? Are we the 2010 / 11 squad - where the 6 - 1 drubbing at Sheff Wed only led to more humiliating scores and relegation; or the 2018/19 team who have enough in us mentally to turn this around? In all those previous cases, the heavy defeats did lead to managers losing their jobs. We can only guess what results would have been like if they'd stayed in post. At the moment, this season's situation is different: Tisdale is still in charge. The others had been in post longer (although Buckle had only been boss for six months). Predictions for today at Fleetwood: If we're a 2010 / 11 team... it's certainly a 0 - 2 or 0 - 3 defeat and I think Tisdale will go. The Fleetwood team will be desperate to impress their new boss. Their long overdue a win and don't concede many goals. If we're a DC / GC team... we can possibly hope for a 1 - 1 battling draw. Fleetwood should also be low on confidence after a poor run themselves. I expect Tisdale to play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 with Daly replacing Hanlon up front. If Upson is fit (doubtful?), I expect him to return. It'll be interesting to see whether Oztumer and Westbrooke play too. It's clear they have plenty of talent, but I sense PT is very disappointed with them. UTG Great research Phil, thanks. But going back to a 0-9 defeat at Spurs in October 77 which was as worse, though the context wasn’t. It was on MOTD so even more pointed, but following that we achieved a 0-0 draw with Saints followed by a 2-0 win against Millwall. But different times and very different attitudes I guess. UTG! Certainly different attitudes. I was 16 and we had the gift of city on their slide into bankruptcy but the result was met with laughter and banter. Move on to 200 and something, when the 💩 lost 7-1 to Swansea and we had fisticuffs , in the Billy at Cadbury Heath. I actually stepped in to stop a 💩 head mate from getting a kicking. Social media has a lot to answer for |
|
bluetornados
Predictions League
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 15,737
Member is Online
|
Post by bluetornados on Feb 6, 2021 14:33:03 GMT
Simon Grayson is the new Fleetwood manager, I think he's pretty good. Obviously hoping for an improved performance, but a very tough place to get a win. I'd definitely take a point and a chance for PTv2 to steady the ship and restore some confidence. I think he'll play it safe. I don't think youngsters will be thrown in (sorry harrybuckle ). I'm not expecting big changes. Just a bloody change in players attitude. Predicted line up (not necessarily my own): Day Williams Ehmer Kilgour Baldwin Leahy Grant Westbrooke Oztumer Nicholson Hanlan I don't think Daly will be risked as a starter yet. Hanlan has had no service recently, so I don't think he deserves to be dropped. Who knows? You got 9 right, Westbroke not even a sub, Oztumer is a sub, no major changes, but agree like you will have to have a massive change in attitude, if only for a bit of pride. I do not mind so much in quality, that's down to affordability and so on, but i want to see every Rovers team give every ounce of blood for the badge and club. Lose 5-0, i don't care, if they have left everything out on the pitch then i will applaud the effort. I'm going for a rousing 1-1 draw. |
|
harrybuckle
Always look on the bright side
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5,565
|
Post by harrybuckle on Feb 6, 2021 14:36:29 GMT
Only three changes Liddle Baldwin and Daly Westbrooke completely dropped.
Feel This not been bold enough time will tell by 5pm.
Going for a no score draw.
|
|
|
|
Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 6, 2021 14:45:59 GMT
Only three changes Liddle Baldwin and Daly Westbrooke completely dropped. Feel This not been bold enough time will tell by 5pm. Going for a no score draw. alternately, only 3 changes? We are switching formation, shape, personnel and tactics on a match by match basis. Is there an argument we will only grow stronger by sticking to a plan, and reasonably settled side, and getting familiar with it? |
|
kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,361
|
Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 6, 2021 14:57:49 GMT
Only three changes Liddle Baldwin and Daly Westbrooke completely dropped. Feel This not been bold enough time will tell by 5pm. Going for a no score draw. Are Liddle Baldwin and Daly Westbrook’s new players then 😱😂😂 |
|
eppinggas
Administrator
Ian Alexander
Don't care
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 8,600
|
Post by eppinggas on Feb 6, 2021 14:57:49 GMT
I'm with PTv2 on the starting XI. UTG.
|
|
