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Post by basel on Jan 11, 2021 21:29:48 GMT
Nottingham Forest player Lyle Taylor has had his say on BLM.
A mixed race man Kyle refuses to take the knee.
He has suggested people check out BLM and says it's a big mistake for Sky,BBC etc to be promoting this group.
It's easy to find out exactly what he said.Google will lead you there.
Great to hear this.
I really hope this mistake of taking the knee and promoting the BLM political organisation stops very soon.
Hear hear Lyle!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 22:28:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 23:33:05 GMT
Just listening to a short talk by a former BLM leader, it's very interesting.
The first point she's making is that she's recently learned that it's helpful to be able to objectively assess things that you are dealing with without allowing your emotions to get in the way of your decision making.
Why that's particularly interesting is that this young American Lady was obviously able to get into a position of influence in the organisation before she had learned that basic life skill.
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Post by basel on Jan 12, 2021 7:42:21 GMT
BLM.
Robert Mugabe types.
Not to be trusted an inch.
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Post by Rex on Jan 12, 2021 8:39:06 GMT
BLM. Robert Mugabe types. Not to be trusted an inch. I don't see the point in taking the knee before a football match in the UK, it is about as meaningful as standing outside your door to clap for the NHS. However, there is obviously a very real problem with how black suspects and white suspects are treated in the USA , as in a life or death problem. There are also plenty of other problems encountered by black people in the UK. BLM has become an organisation, but those people who first protested and used the chant 'Black lives matter' for the large part, were ordinary people who were outraged and scared and they had every right to be. If you think those people are 'Robert Mugabe types' then you are staggeringly off the mark. Do you think footballers taking a knee are supporting 'Robert Mugabe types' or do you think they are just appalled at the difference the way some US police treat black suspects? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 8:45:33 GMT
BLM. Robert Mugabe types. Not to be trusted an inch. I don't see the point in taking the knee before a football match in the UK, it is about as meaningful as standing outside your door to clap for the NHS. However, there is obviously a very real problem with how black suspects and white suspects are treated in the USA , as in a life or death problem. There are also plenty of other problems encountered by black people in the UK. BLM has become an organisation, but those people who first protested and used the chant 'Black lives matter' for the large part, were ordinary people who were outraged and scared and they had every right to be. If you think those people are 'Robert Mugabe types' then you are staggeringly off the mark. Do you think footballers taking a knee are supporting 'Robert Mugabe types' or do you think they are just appalled at the difference the way some US police treat black suspects? Basel has to be a WUM, surely. |
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Post by basel on Jan 12, 2021 8:55:48 GMT
BLM. Robert Mugabe types. Not to be trusted an inch. I don't see the point in taking the knee before a football match in the UK, it is about as meaningful as standing outside your door to clap for the NHS. However, there is obviously a very real problem with how black suspects and white suspects are treated in the USA , as in a life or death problem. There are also plenty of other problems encountered by black people in the UK. BLM has become an organisation, but those people who first protested and used the chant 'Black lives matter' for the large part, were ordinary people who were outraged and scared and they had every right to be. If you think those people are 'Robert Mugabe types' then you are staggeringly off the mark. Do you think footballers taking a knee are supporting 'Robert Mugabe types' or do you think they are just appalled at the difference the way some US police treat black suspects? Obviously there are good bad and indifferent within the BLM movement. Some are Mugabe type. I - like possibly you by the sound of it - do not want to see this knee taking,saluting rubbish at British football matches. You can support the notion black lives matter in your every day life, by trying to be a fair minded reasonable human being. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 12, 2021 8:58:38 GMT
can't players just wear shirts that say f**k OFF RACIST ****
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 9:40:47 GMT
can't players just wear shirts that say f OFF RACIST **** There you go I am sure Basel would support that |
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Post by basel on Jan 12, 2021 10:23:15 GMT
can't players just wear shirts that say f OFF RACIST **** There you go I am sure Basel would support that I think football has made great progress regarding racism in the game. We've come along way since NF leaflets being handed out at Eastville. Becoming hysterical about the alledged murder of a junkie armed robber,by a Copper, in the USA,some 4000 miles away from our UK, is a backward step imo. |
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 12, 2021 10:39:31 GMT
BLM / Taking the knee, done to death.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 11:22:30 GMT
can't players just wear shirts that say f OFF RACIST **** There you go I am sure Basel would support that Here's my challenge to you. Find someone on here who is actually racist, homophobic, would deliberately want to use pronouns that were not those of someone's choice, gives a flying frig about someone else's lifestyle choices. It's all just chasing ghosts in an attempt to demonstrate moral superiority, and if you happen to destroy someone's career and or reputation for no good reason in the process, then that's a small price to pay. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 13:08:54 GMT
There you go I am sure Basel would support that Here's my challenge to you. Find someone on here who is actually racist, homophobic, would deliberately want to use pronouns that were not those of someone's choice, gives a flying frig about someone else's lifestyle choices. It's all just chasing ghosts in an attempt to demonstrate moral superiority, and if you happen to destroy someone's career and or reputation for no good reason in the process, then that's a small price to pay. I am guessing that PP was expressing frustration on this issue, something I share. I was listening to the programme "The Life Scientific" this morning some professor with a background geological research. Chatting about his education he was joking about attending Manchester Uni because of the night club scene there. Anyway he was quite an interesting and amusing bloke so I paid attention. Out of the blue the host asked him if he had experienced any racial prejudice? I had no idea, listening to him that he was non white. But the interesting thing was his response. He said that overt, ugly racism had reduced over his time, but discrete racism was still rife. So, as long as minorities keep saying this then we need to keep calling it out. Whatever the circumstance. For the life of me I do not understand why people get so wound up by, when people chose, to highlight this issue. I really dont. Personally I am ambivalent about taking the knee, as Rex says its probably past its sell by date. But if football players want to do that, so what? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 13:56:35 GMT
Here's my challenge to you. Find someone on here who is actually racist, homophobic, would deliberately want to use pronouns that were not those of someone's choice, gives a flying frig about someone else's lifestyle choices. It's all just chasing ghosts in an attempt to demonstrate moral superiority, and if you happen to destroy someone's career and or reputation for no good reason in the process, then that's a small price to pay. I am guessing that PP was expressing frustration on this issue, something I share. I was listening to the programme "The Life Scientific" this morning some professor with a background geological research. Chatting about his education he was joking about attending Manchester Uni because of the night club scene there. Anyway he was quite an interesting and amusing bloke so I paid attention. Out of the blue the host asked him if he had experienced any racial prejudice? I had no idea, listening to him that he was non white. But the interesting thing was his response. He said that overt, ugly racism had reduced over his time, but discrete racism was still rife. So, as long as minorities keep saying this then we need to keep calling it out. Whatever the circumstance. For the life of me I do not understand why people get so wound up by, when people chose, to highlight this issue. I really dont. Personally I am ambivalent about taking the knee, as Rex says its probably past its sell by date. But if football players want to do that, so what? Again, you are asking us to chase ghosts and the suggestion is that everybody is guilty. I'm confident that I speak for everybody on here when I say that we all stand against discrimination, but a starting point is to be able not only to recognise it, which you constantly fall short of being able to do, hence these continued implications of unconscious bias, but also we need to work out what we are going to do about it. What is it that you see in people of colour that convinces you that they aren't every bit as able as you and I to get out there and forge successful careers and lives for themselves? Yours is a message of mistrust and division. But I do know that you are so blinded by the light from your own halo of self proclaimed superior morality that you can't see this. What you argue for is equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. Well, that's discrimination, right there. It's quotas over competence. Group Identity politics. We saw in the last century where that ultimately leads. Do your side of this debate never learn anything from history. Are tens of millions of bodies piled up not sufficient evidence that you are wrong? |
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Post by Rex on Jan 12, 2021 14:24:22 GMT
There you go I am sure Basel would support that I think football has made great progress regarding racism in the game. We've come along way since NF leaflets being handed out at Eastville. Becoming hysterical about the alledged murder of a junkie armed robber,by a Copper, in the USA,some 4000 miles away from our UK, is a backward step imo.The problem is, it was hardly a one off was it? |
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Post by Rex on Jan 12, 2021 14:35:13 GMT
I am guessing that PP was expressing frustration on this issue, something I share. I was listening to the programme "The Life Scientific" this morning some professor with a background geological research. Chatting about his education he was joking about attending Manchester Uni because of the night club scene there. Anyway he was quite an interesting and amusing bloke so I paid attention. Out of the blue the host asked him if he had experienced any racial prejudice? I had no idea, listening to him that he was non white. But the interesting thing was his response. He said that overt, ugly racism had reduced over his time, but discrete racism was still rife. So, as long as minorities keep saying this then we need to keep calling it out. Whatever the circumstance. For the life of me I do not understand why people get so wound up by, when people chose, to highlight this issue. I really dont. Personally I am ambivalent about taking the knee, as Rex says its probably past its sell by date. But if football players want to do that, so what? Again, you are asking us to chase ghosts and the suggestion is that everybody is guilty. I'm confident that I speak for everybody on here when I say that we all stand against discrimination, but a starting point is to be able not only to recognise it, which you constantly fall short of being able to do, hence these continued implications of unconscious bias, but also we need to work out what we are going to do about it. What is it that you see in people of colour that convinces you that they aren't every bit as able as you and I to get out there and forge successful careers and lives for themselves? Yours is a message of mistrust and division. But I do know that you are so blinded by the light from your own halo of self proclaimed superior morality that you can't see this. What you argue for is equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. Well, that's discrimination, right there. It's quotas over competence. Group Identity politics. We saw in the last century where that ultimately leads. Do your side of this debate never learn anything from history. Are tens of millions of bodies piled up not sufficient evidence that you are wrong? I hate to go down the 'I've got a black friend 'route, but for what it's worth she does still experience some blatant abuse- she works in the public transport and it seemingly just comes with the territory, the things that really upset her are that- and bear in mind she has never been in trouble with the police in her life- she is constantly followed around in shops by store detectives and shop assistants and - this is the one that really grates- if a middle aged white bloke gives his opinion in work, people tend to say that he 'tells it like it is'. When she does the same, she has been pulled up on her attitude and -on several occasions- been told she has a chip on her shoulder. Her dad came to the UK in the 50s and if he saw a policeman, he would disappear quick, because he knew if they saw him, he would be in for a hard time and he certainly thinks things have improved, but there is very definitely still some problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:00:41 GMT
Again, you are asking us to chase ghosts and the suggestion is that everybody is guilty. I'm confident that I speak for everybody on here when I say that we all stand against discrimination, but a starting point is to be able not only to recognise it, which you constantly fall short of being able to do, hence these continued implications of unconscious bias, but also we need to work out what we are going to do about it. What is it that you see in people of colour that convinces you that they aren't every bit as able as you and I to get out there and forge successful careers and lives for themselves? Yours is a message of mistrust and division. But I do know that you are so blinded by the light from your own halo of self proclaimed superior morality that you can't see this. What you argue for is equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. Well, that's discrimination, right there. It's quotas over competence. Group Identity politics. We saw in the last century where that ultimately leads. Do your side of this debate never learn anything from history. Are tens of millions of bodies piled up not sufficient evidence that you are wrong? I hate to go down the 'I've got a black friend 'route, but for what it's worth she does still experience some blatant abuse- she works in the public transport and it seemingly just comes with the territory, the things that really upset her are that- and bear in mind she has never been in trouble with the police in her life- she is constantly followed around in shops by store detectives and shop assistants and - this is the one that really grates- if a middle aged white bloke gives his opinion in work, people tend to say that he 'tells it like it is'. When she does the same, she has been pulled up on her attitude and -on several occasions- been told she has a chip on her shoulder. Her dad came to the UK in the 50s and if he saw a policeman, he would disappear quick, because he knew if they saw him, he would be in for a hard time and he certainly thinks things have improved, but there is very definitely still some problems. Pretty much what the guy on the programme this morning said. Albeit in the (presumed) more rarified atmosphere of high end education and research where he experiences it. When people are subject to this and say so, what drives people to say "shut up, stop talking about it"? |
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Post by basel on Jan 12, 2021 15:11:07 GMT
I think football has made great progress regarding racism in the game. We've come along way since NF leaflets being handed out at Eastville. Becoming hysterical about the alledged murder of a junkie armed robber,by a Copper, in the USA,some 4000 miles away from our UK, is a backward step imo.The problem is, it was hardly a one off was it? Rex,the UK is not the 51st state,or 51st,52nd,53rd and 54th if you prefer. 4000 miles away. Yes,the US have big problems,many sad tales,but it's not ours. |
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Post by Rex on Jan 12, 2021 19:06:39 GMT
The problem is, it was hardly a one off was it? Rex,the UK is not the 51st state,or 51st,52nd,53rd and 54th if you prefer. 4000 miles away. Yes,the US have big problems,many sad tales,but it's not ours. The jews in Nazi Germany weren't our problem either. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 23:07:09 GMT
Rex,the UK is not the 51st state,or 51st,52nd,53rd and 54th if you prefer. 4000 miles away. Yes,the US have big problems,many sad tales,but it's not ours. The jews in Nazi Germany weren't our problem either. Have a look at this Rex, it's a bit technical but not very long. Maybe we can have a chat about it? www.pnas.org/content/pnas/116/32/15877.full.pdf |
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